Seeing as nobodys asked the question

DivingDuck · 19-05-2016 02:11AM

pone2012 wrote: »

Thats my take on it

Your take on it has altered course radically throughout the thread. Your original post was asking for someone to explain to you the reason behind why people do this. You were given the fully accurate answer in the first response: because they like the way it looks.

Instead of just saying "fair enough" to this perfectly valid answer (why did you buy the shirt you're wearing, the shoes, the trousers, get the haircut you have? same story: you like the way it looks), you began to imply that women with "fake nails and fake orgasms" had no business expecting "a real man" (as if this was a sweeping statement of truth that applied to all women). Then you began to insist that this was a sign of both mental illness and an impending crisis which society must act swiftly to prevent. Then you denied that you were trying to force your views on anyone. Then you began to claim that you were an expert on these mental disorders because you've known or dated people who may have had them, and reiterated your belief that this is going to be bad for society and needs to be addressed.

A possibly interesting fact for you: the alteration of the appearance by women (and men!) is not new, nor is it an oncoming social apocalypse. Women have been altering their appearance for six plus millennia-- if not since the dawn of humanity itself!

Some argue that cosmetic body art was the earliest form of ritual in human culture, dating over 100,000 years ago from the African Middle Stone Age. The evidence for this comes in the form of utilised red mineral pigments (red ochre) including crayons associated with the emergence of Homo sapiens in Africa.

The only difference is that now they have new technologies and a new level of sophistication available to assist them in doing so, as is true of every behaviour or industry, from cosmetics to travel to communication.

There is no need for alarm or concern. In a few years time, most of the girls you're encountering will have moved on, and will look back on their current selfies and cringe-- much as today's older ladies wince at the thought of their 80s perms. The ones who don't will still be enjoying their "excessive" makeup, and they don't need your concern, either.

jigglypuffstuff · 19-05-2016 02:24AM

DivingDuck wrote: »

Your take on it has altered course radically throughout the thread. Your original post was asking for someone to explain to you the reason behind why people do this. You were given the fully accurate answer in the first response: because they like the way it looks.

Instead of just saying "fair enough" to this perfectly valid answer (why did you buy the shirt you're wearing, the shoes, the trousers, get the haircut you have? same story: you like the way it looks), you began to imply that women with "fake nails and fake orgasms" had no business expecting "a real man" (as if this was a sweeping statement of truth that applied to all women). Then you began to insist that this was a sign of both mental illness and an impending crisis which society must act swiftly to prevent. Then you denied that you were trying to force your views on anyone. Then you began to claim that you were an expert on these mental disorders because you've known or dated people who may have had them, and reiterated your belief that this is going to be bad for society and needs to be addressed.

A possibly interesting fact for you: the alteration of the appearance by women (and men!) is not new, nor is it an oncoming social apocalypse. Women have been altering their appearance for six plus millennia-- if not since the dawn of humanity itself!

The only difference is that now they have new technologies and a new level of sophistication available to assist them in doing so, as is true of every behaviour or industry, from cosmetics to travel to communication.

There is no need for alarm or concern. In a few years time, most of the girls you're encountering will have moved on, and will look back on their current selfies and cringe-- much as today's older ladies wince at the thought of their 80s perms. The ones who don't will still be enjoying their "excessive" makeup, and they don't need your concern, either.

First off : No, i didnt make a sweeping statement, i took it from a meme...anyone with the mild ability to navigate the internet should be able to find it pretty quickly..you should try typing it into google...

Second : I never said it was such an urgent crisis level topic, i said it was worrying.....stop inventing things

Third : I never claimed to be any expert whatsoever, did you invent that too?

So before you bother to try and inflate what ive said, dont

and finally fourth : i care not for the individuals...i spoke about the collective..specifically the furture generation who are being influenced...and i didnt restrict it to women..missed that too?? should have gone to specsavers

Before you go commenting and criticizing threads, perhaps learn to read...the content of the post suggests you are incapable of correctly doing so...given your dramatics

Keane2baMused · 19-05-2016 02:30AM

pone2012 wrote: »

First off : No, i didnt make a sweeping statement, i took it from a meme...anyone with the mild ability to navigate the internet should be able to find it pretty quickly..you should try typing it into google...

So your research on the topic encompasses both Memes AND the current diagnostic and statistical manual??

jigglypuffstuff · 19-05-2016 02:34AM

Keane2baMused wrote: »

So your research on the topic encompasses both Memes AND the current diagnostic and statistical manual??

The DSM-V is something I've had a few years, I just decided to take a look... specifically because posters started mentioning about the whole, its about accepting myself thing

Interesting how you pick up on the sarcasm thing in others posts, yet in mine...you cant....hmm selective observation skills...that must be a complicated trait?

DivingDuck · 19-05-2016 02:45AM

pone2012 wrote: »

First off : No, i didnt make a sweeping statement, i took it from a meme...anyone with the mild ability to navigate the internet should be able to find it pretty quickly..you should try typing it into google...

I don't believe familiarity with every meme online is necessary to have a discussion. I take people's statements at face value. If someone makes a series of statements without attributing them as a quote, I tend to assume they are their own words/opinions. I don't believe this is an unreasonable position.

In any case, meme or original thought, if you didn't believe it to be true, why did you post it?

pone2012 wrote: »

Second : I never said it was such an urgent crisis level topic, i said it was worrying.....stop inventing things

Your comments:

Go find a few symptoms of BDD... You'll soon see where excessive makeup application falls into that bracket

Yes I did just compare....I said that implying that mental health and physical health are equally important..Care to challenge that?...I'll gladly go all day on it.

things like this are troubling imo

Even more troubling imo is the fact that our next generation will grow up accepting this as normal

please go on....about how this affects nobody's life..about how BDD/OCD and this emerging trend of EXCESSIVE, OBSESSIVE makeup application have no link whatsoever..about how embedding this ***** trend into society, its all fine and dandy right? it doesnt affect anyone at all?

Its no better than young lads juicing themselves up to the eyeballs imo, its troublesome that people are embedding these as cultural norms here..whether it is harmful to physical or mental health, or both..the point remains...its not a healthy trend

i spoke about the collective..specifically the furture generation who are being influenced

You have repeatedly made the point that this is a problem for society. From the repetition and intensity, it comes across that you consider this both urgent and a crisis.

pone2012 wrote: »

Third : I never claimed to be any expert whatsoever, did you invent that too?

Again, your comments:

Believe me, I know all to well what OCD is, I know all too ******* well what it is

three days of talking about, discussing, and researching a topic do tend to give you insight

Ive been with the OCD, BDD AND ED ( she hadtwo actually, from anoerexia to bulimia) chick, i spent 5 years with her actually, you can fire in Bipolar, molested and a few other traumatic instances too..its irrelevant to this discussion...as is what you just said

Btw, psych was one of my subjects at undergrad too

You certainly sound like you're trying to imply a level of knowledge and expertise.

pone2012 wrote: »

and finally fourth : i care not for the individuals...i spoke about the collective..specifically the furture generation who are being influenced...and i didnt restrict it to women..missed that too?? should have gone to specsavers

Before you go commenting and criticizing threads, perhaps learn to read...the content of the post suggests you are incapable of correctly doing so...given your dramatics

I mentioned men in my reply to you, so if anyone is restricting this issue to women, it's you. As to dramatics, I don't believe my posts contain any, nor do they imply I lack reading comprehension. Your opinion may differ, and you're welcome to that opinion.

Keane2baMused · 19-05-2016 02:48AM

pone2012 wrote: »

specifically because posters started mentioning about the whole, its about accepting myself thing

Interesting how you pick up on the sarcasm thing in others posts, yet in mine...you cant....hmm selective observation skills...that must be a complicated trait?

You what now??

Also, your own sarcasm detector could do with fine tuning.

jigglypuffstuff · 19-05-2016 02:58AM

DivingDuck wrote: »

I don't believe familiarity with every meme online is necessary to have a discussion. I take people's statements at face value. If someone makes a series of statements without attributing them as a quote, I tend to assume they are their own words/opinions. I don't believe this is an unreasonable position.

In any case, meme or original thought, if you didn't believe it to be true, why did you post it?

Your comments:

You have repeatedly made the point that this is a problem for society. From the repetition and intensity, it comes across that you consider this both urgent and a crisis.

Again, your comments:

You certainly sound like you're trying to imply a level of knowledge and expertise.

I mentioned men in my reply to you, so if anyone is restricting this issue to women, it's you. As to dramatics, I don't believe my posts contain any, nor do they imply I lack reading comprehension. Your opinion may differ, and you're welcome to that opinion.

For the simple reason that any meme is posted, its light heartedness....it struck a nerve, clearly

I repeatedly responded to people who tried to completely dissociate the two concepts of OCD (Specifically the O-C Spectrum) and BDD...i never stated an urgent need to act immediately...perhaps read the words, and the ones before it instead of forming your own meaning. Nowhere did i state a need for urgency. you invented that

I stated insight, not expertise....can you differentiate? ...one is also furthered by personal experience, but again thats insight, not expertise. Like i said, you're inventing things again

Oh id argue that case....the ability to read is the ability to read whats put in front of you...not what you believe it represents ...try reading the text next time..

DivingDuck · 19-05-2016 03:13AM

pone2012 wrote: »

For the simple reason that any meme is posted, its light heartedness....it struck a nerve, clearly

Most people post responses to respond. If you respond to a comment with a meme in place of your own response, the usual assumption is that the meme summarises or typifies your own response. Light-hearted or otherwise, the conclusion drawn (by almost everyone who replied to you, myself included) was that this was your stance on the issue and that this had relevance to the conversation.

I repeatedly responded to people who tried to completely dissociate the two concepts of OCD (Specifically the O-C Spectrum) and BDD...i never stated an urgent need to act immediately...perhaps read the words, and the ones before it instead of forming your own meaning. Nowhere did i state a need for urgency. you invented that

I don't believe it's an invention. It's a natural conclusion from the frequency of your responses, your tone, your use of capslock, and your language. As above, from the other responses to your comments, I'm not the only person who reached the same conclusion.

I stated insight, not expertise....can you differentiate?

I can, but I didn't see it was relevant here. Perhaps I should have said "claimed relevant insight" rather that "claimed that you were an expert", but the point is you insisted that your knowledge/experience was of greater relevance than someone who had both personally experienced and studied extensively the topics you were discussing, despite your experience being second-hand and your academic study being of a lesser degree. In this instance, the difference doesn't much matter.

Oh id argue that case....the ability to read is the ability to read whats put in front of you...not what you believe it represents ...try reading the text next time..

I have provably understood each and every word you've used, so my ability to read is just fine. What's actually under discussion is reading comprehension, and that depends not only on the ability to read what is in front of you, but to also infer meaning from that text, and also its subtext. If you don't understand that, I don't know what to tell you.

K-9 · 19-05-2016 03:26AM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Heh, yeah guys seem to regularly wrong about their height. I'm 6'1" and the amount of times I'll hear guys claiming to be 6 foot and me standing beside them with a raised eyebrow thinking "I've obviously grown a few inches".

Sure I'm guilty myself, I used to say I was 6'2" and not as an intentional lie. I just always thought I was 6'2" and only found out I was wrong when someone measured me at a barbecue.

That must have been a boring barbecue.

What fella doesn't want a couple of extra inches?

jigglypuffstuff · 19-05-2016 03:27AM

DivingDuck wrote: »

Most people post responses to respond. If you respond to a comment with a meme in place of your own response, the usual assumption is that the meme summarises or typifies your own response. Light-hearted or otherwise, the conclusion drawn (by almost everyone who replied to you, myself included) was that this was your stance on the issue and that this had relevance to the conversation.

I don't believe it's an invention. It's a natural conclusion from the frequency of your responses, your tone, your use of capslock, and your language. As above, from the other responses to your comments, I'm not the only person who reached the same conclusion.

I can, but I didn't see it was relevant here. Perhaps I should have said "claimed relevant insight" rather that "claimed that you were an expert", but the point is you insisted that your knowledge/experience was of greater relevance than someone who had both personally experienced and studied extensively the topics you were discussing, despite your experience being second-hand and your academic study being of a lesser degree. In this instance, the difference doesn't much matter.

I have provably understood each and every word you've used, so my ability to read is just fine. What's actually under discussion is reading comprehension, and that depends not only on the ability to read what is in front of you, but to also infer meaning from that text, and also its subtext. If you don't understand that, I don't know what to tell you.

Well, assumptions arent always correct...but don't worry, I'll be sure to leave (sarcasm, this is a meme reference) for you and all the other posters on the next occurrence, will that clear up any future issues?

I claimed greater relevance?? In no such way did I..actually I said neither were relevant... You truly dony grasp this reading thing at all, do you?

I think you need to read the text, and stop looking for subtext that isn't there.. Because you genuinely are making a hell of a lot of assumptions...incorrect ones at that

Keane2baMused · 19-05-2016 03:28AM

pone2012 wrote: »

I repeatedly responded to people who tried to completely dissociate the two concepts of OCD (Specifically the O-C Spectrum) and BDD...

one is also furthered by personal experience, but again thats insight, not expertise. Like i said, you're inventing things again
..

Nobody did such a thing, only pointing out there is no comparison between makeup overuse ( as perceived by you) and BDD which results in a fixation on a particular part of (or multiple parts) of ones appearance and extreme, unending attempts to hide those perceived flaws.

They are COMPLETELY different things.

No, YOU don't have personal experience. You have personal experience of being involved with someone who has personally experienced these issues. Different kettle of fish there.

I have met around about 60 women and 20 men now with some of, and all of these conditions and not one of their disorders was a result of wearing too much makeup. Not a single one.

One word, trauma. But with your insight you would know that.

Makeup overuse doesn't lead to these disorders, these disorders CAN lead to makeup overuse. See the difference?

Also, two disorders being on the same spectrum does NOT mean they are completely linked. It can mean they are sometimes co-morbid or share similarities. It's not cause and effect.

DivingDuck · 19-05-2016 03:35AM

pone2012 wrote: »

Well, assumptions arent always correct...but don't worry, I'll be sure to leave (sarcasm, this is a meme reference) for you and all the other posters on the next occurrence, will that clear up any future issues?

Attempting to be straightforward and clear rather than sarcastic, "light-hearted", or personally insulting would certainly benefit your arguments going forward, yes.

I claimed greater relevance?? In no such way did I..actually I said neither were relevant... You truly dony grasp this reading thing at all, do you?

You did indeed, but if you don't grasp the meaning of your own words even when I've already re-quoted them for you, I don't think there's much point in doing it again.

I think you need to read the text, and stop looking for subtext that isn't there.. Because you genuinely are making a hell of a lot of assumptions...incorrect ones at that

The only assumption I made was that your direct comments were reflective of your actual position-- which, according to you, is not the case. I think I'll continue with that assumption going forward, though. Considering it's true for most people, it seems like the way to go.

jigglypuffstuff · 19-05-2016 03:39AM

Keane2baMused wrote: »

Nobody did such a thing, only pointing out there is no comparison between makeup overuse ( as perceived by you) and BDD which results in a fixation on a particular part of (or multiple parts) of ones appearance and extreme, unending attempts to hide those perceived flaws.

They are COMPLETELY different things.

No, YOU don't have personal experience. You have personal experience of being involved with someone who has personally experienced these issues. Different kettle of fish there.

I have met around about 60 women and 20 men now with some of, and all of these conditions and not one of their disorders was a result of wearing too much makeup. Not a single one.

One word, trauma. But with your insight you would know that.

Makeup overuse doesn't lead to these disorders, these disorders CAN lead to makeup overuse. See the difference?

Also, two disorders being on the same spectrum does NOT mean they are closely linked. It can mean they are sometimes co-morbid or share similarities. It's not cause and effect.

Unending attempts to hide flaws...sounds a lot like what people do with makeup overuse...did you miss that?

I was referring to OCD, and yes plenty of personal experience with it..note where I've said one particular ... Not that it's something you need to know about but... Again please assume futher... You've done a great job so far

Nobody said it was a result of it...jesus tap dancing christ it's a f******g mask for it

Didn't you take that from what I've been saying about treating symptoms instead of root causes?? No of course you didn't... You were all the way up there..on that high horse to busy to look down

Nobody said it was cause and effect...I never stated causality

Oh FFS even the earliest literature stated that BDD and OCD shared similarities... Since then they've been placed on a similar spectrum, and as time goes on they are converging further..

But please do show me literature that's otherwise... I'd only love to learn something from you...rather than be sitting here reading looking up and you on your tall steed

jigglypuffstuff · 19-05-2016 03:47AM

DivingDuck wrote: »

Attempting to be straightforward and clear rather than sarcastic, "light-hearted", or personally insulting would certainly benefit your arguments going forward, yes.

You did indeed, but if you don't grasp the meaning of your own words even when I've already re-quoted them for you, I don't think there's much point in doing it again.

The only assumption I made was that your direct comments were reflective of your actual position-- which, according to you, is not the case. I think I'll continue with that assumption going forward, though. Considering it's true for most people, it seems like the way to go.

No I didn't... Here are my exact words

Ive been with the OCD, BDD AND ED ( she hadtwo actually, from anoerexia to bulimia) chick, i spent 5 years with her actually, you can fire in Bipolar, molested and a few other traumatic instances too..its irrelevant to this discussion...as is what you just said

Btw, psych was one of my subjects at undergrad too...again, its pretty meaningless (nice try at authenticating your opinion though)

I stated being with someone 5 years with all those issues is meaningless.... As is the others posters experience.... Ie both are meaningless...did you miss that??

I also stated having a background in psych is as above.. meaningless...from.my side and the other posters

So please...show me where I said greater relevance?? I'd honestly love to see it

DivingDuck · 19-05-2016 03:51AM

pone2012 wrote: »

No I didn't... Here are my exact words

Ive been with the OCD, BDD AND ED ( she hadtwo actually, from anoerexia to bulimia) chick, i spent 5 years with her actually, you can fire in Bipolar, molested and a few other traumatic instances too..its irrelevant to this discussion...as is what you just said

Btw, psych was one of my subjects at undergrad too...again, its pretty meaningless (nice try at authenticating your opinion though)

I stated being with someone 5 years with all those issues is meaningless.... As is the others posters experience.... Ie both are meaningless...did you miss that??

I also stated having a background in psych is as above.. meaningless...from.my side and the other posters

So please...show me where I said greater relevance?? I'd honestly love to see it

I'm beginning to wonder if you actually mean any of what you say.

You make a statement, then claim it wasn't a real response because it was just a meme to be light-hearted. You make repeatedly make the same point, then say you didn't mean that it was big or urgent. You detail your experience, then say it's irrelevant...

jigglypuffstuff · 19-05-2016 04:05AM

DivingDuck wrote: »

I'm beginning to wonder if you actually mean any of what you say.

You make a statement, then claim it wasn't a real response because it was just a meme to be light-hearted. You make repeatedly make the same point, then say you didn't mean that it was big or urgent. You detail your experience, then say it's irrelevant...

People didn't get the meme reference.. Granted... They should now...Google is a friend to all

I never said it was urgent...you assumed that...I'm.not responsible for how you take words..I can only clarify what was meant

Finally...I never said my experience mattered...actually I said both were highly irrelevant... You seem to have missed that....again I'm not responsible for that... Thats on you

Which brings me to my original point... Read the text...If unsure, ask...you couldn't have interpreted what I said more wrongly... Yet you are were quick to.jump at me

Foxtrol · 19-05-2016 04:53AM

Keane2baMused wrote: »

Nobody did such a thing, only pointing out there is no comparison between makeup overuse ( as perceived by you) and BDD which results in a fixation on a particular part of (or multiple parts) of ones appearance and extreme, unending attempts to hide those perceived flaws.

They are COMPLETELY different things.

No, YOU don't have personal experience. You have personal experience of being involved with someone who has personally experienced these issues. Different kettle of fish there.

I have met around about 60 women and 20 men now with some of, and all of these conditions and not one of their disorders was a result of wearing too much makeup. Not a single one.

One word, trauma. But with your insight you would know that.

Makeup overuse doesn't lead to these disorders, these disorders CAN lead to makeup overuse. See the difference?

Also, two disorders being on the same spectrum does NOT mean they are completely linked. It can mean they are sometimes co-morbid or share similarities. It's not cause and effect.

So makeup overuse can be a sign of one of these disorders. Glad we got that sorted, it shouldn't always be treated as 'they're not hurting anyone'.

I just don't understand why so many people are so defensive about the subject of makeup. It seems like it's total taboo. Posters didn't even raise concerns about a woman who refused medical care until someone did her makeup, apparently there's nothing to be concerned there at all and her 'proudness' was to be admired.

Also, apparently artificially changing your appearance to the point where you're unrecognisable somehow isn't intentionally misleading people either.

The more I read this thread the more I feel

thegreatgonzo · 19-05-2016 10:09AM

This thread must have had an effect on me...I went to make an appointment to get my nails done (I got a voucher for Christmas but never bothered using it), but she was all booked out.
That's all there is to the story.

OldNotWIse · 19-05-2016 10:46AM

I put on makeup this morning. Now the whole world knows I'm fertile. I love ovulation, what a special time. I also like a nice kissing session with bearded men, stubble shiver yikes!

maudgonner · 19-05-2016 10:53AM

I've finally figured out why the OP is so agitated.

He keeps telling us he's worried not about the individual, but the collective.

Clearly he's a borg and in that case he has genuine grounds for worrying that this trend will spread to all beings through the hive mind. :eek:

We're DOOMED!

(Male borgs better get practising their lip liner techniques pronto, it's only a matter of time before they will have to comply).

jigglypuffstuff · 19-05-2016 10:54AM

Foxtrol wrote: »

So makeup overuse can be a sign of one of these disorders. Glad we got that sorted, it shouldn't always be treated as 'they're not hurting anyone'.

I just don't understand why so many people are so defensive about the subject of makeup. It seems like it's total taboo. Posters didn't even raise concerns about a woman who refused medical care until someone did her makeup, apparently there's nothing to be concerned there at all and her 'proudness' was to be admired.

Also, apparently artificially changing your appearance to the point where you're unrecognisable somehow isn't intentionally misleading people either.

The more I read this thread the more I feel

Oh don't worry, you're not the only one confused

But defensiveness in the face of any form of of questioning people's behaviour is the norm..however this is excessive... And the fact that one poster twisted into an argument about western women and feminism says alot imo

People fail to see any harm in there actions...thats normal....but failing to recognise that it's not always just a case of "they like it" is important.... That is why I used the male steroid example...as it is sometimes an attempt to change what they consider unacceptable or flawed

Is it always? No... But you can be sure it's an equally disturbing trend

I had an interesting discussion with my doctor a few months ago....he'd noticed id bulked up a bit from training..and asked me If I used steroids... I said no, but asked why he questioned... He just said the amount of people who have been come to him with steroid issues has increased practically tenfold...and we are talking about a small town here (5-6000 max)

It raises a question imo...how many are doing it "just for them", by comparison as to how many are facilitating underlying perceptual issues?

We could also raise the same question about makeup overuse I think

Lyaiera · 19-05-2016 11:11AM

If you want to start a thread on beauty standards, and the problems it causes then do. You started this thread comparing women to the joker from batman. You're fooling no one. It's obvious what your motives were. And you got called on it.

Keane2baMused · 19-05-2016 11:27AM

Lyaiera wrote: »

If you want to start a thread on beauty standards, and the problems it causes then do. You started this thread comparing women to the joker from batman. You're fooling no one. It's obvious what your motives were. And you got called on it.

I'm sure the OP had nooo idea this thread would explode into over 40 pages.

jigglypuffstuff · 19-05-2016 11:28AM

Lyaiera wrote: »

If you want to start a thread on beauty standards, and the problems it causes then do. You started this thread comparing women to the joker from batman. You're fooling no one. It's obvious what your motives were. And you got called on it.

Actually I said I noticed a trend...I did...numerous posters made equally comparative references..everything from bee stung lips to using Simpson references about makeup guns. It's AH... Deal with it

That's the way I feel it's best described in terms of similarity...heavy makeup and overexaggerated lips painted on...is it a bit harsh ? yes, but equally, it's also a bit true...would you care to argue that?

Don't like it? Good

I didn't write it for you to like it...I wrote it as a comparison.. It's a pretty valid one too

I'm not tryin to fool anyone at all...trying to shift the discussion from what you and the others have turned this thread into..which quite frankly, is chaos... Into one about root causes which is evident from people's persistence about self perception

Don't like it? Again tough...nobody asked you to involve yourself in a discussion you dont like, you chose to.

Now, care to add something more meaningful? Or shall we continue with the chaos?

Keane2baMused · 19-05-2016 11:34AM

pone2012 wrote: »

Don't like it? Again tough...nobody asked you to involve yourself in a discussion you dont like, you chose to.

Now, care to add something more meaningful? Or shall we continue with the chaos?

Pot, kettle, black.

OP all you have added through the (extremely lengthy) thread is reems of backbiting and disdain for anyone who doesn't agree with your 'observations'.

jigglypuffstuff · 19-05-2016 12:11PM

Keane2baMused wrote: »

Pot, kettle, black.

OP all you have added through the (extremely lengthy) thread is reems of backbiting and disdain for anyone who doesn't agree with your 'observations'.

Actually, I've defended my position....from all ends of misunderstandings to right out personal attacks. Are people entitled to disagree? Certainly... However I don't take kindly to feminists turning this into something it's not...

Mr. CooL ICE · 19-05-2016 12:30PM

pone2012 wrote: »

Actually, I've defended my position....from all ends of misunderstandings to right out personal attacks. Are people entitled to disagree? Certainly... However I don't take kindly to feminists turning this into something it's not...

Mod:

There hasn't been feminism in this thread. You made a derogatory sweeping generalisation of women and their use of beauty products and got called out on it, with some pisstaking. And deservedly so.

Forget about accusing posters of being feminists unless you have something concrete to back it up. And no, another sweeping generalisation isn't the way to go about it.

Foxtrol · 19-05-2016 02:28PM

Lyaiera wrote: »

If you want to start a thread on beauty standards, and the problems it causes then do. You started this thread comparing women to the joker from batman. You're fooling no one. It's obvious what your motives were. And you got called on it.

Actually, despite how the thread was started posters were perfectly able to have a decent discussion in this thread about beauty standards, and the problems it causes until they were asked tough questions and decided to turn it into a total cackle gang* sh1t show. That timing and a refusal to restart a discussion must be a coincidence.

*I do not own the rights to cackle gang, this resides with Wibbs, no copyright infringement was intended.

jigglypuffstuff · 19-05-2016 02:33PM

Nicolas Cage wrote: »

Mod:

There hasn't been feminism in this thread. You made a derogatory sweeping generalisation of women and their use of beauty products and got called out on it, with some pisstaking. And deservedly so.

Forget about accusing posters of being feminists unless you have something concrete to back it up. And no, another sweeping generalisation isn't the way to go about it.

The post touched a nerve because there's truth in what ive said regarding the topic until this point....Like every posts that critique what people do...others got defensive but hey, if nothing else this thread proved its a sore spot

As regards feminism..i feel its been implied across the thread......but as to keep this conversation going i wont mention it again.

19-05-2016 02:36PM

The sore spot is people being told they shouldn't do something, because someone with no vested interest at all doesn't like it.

Seeing as nobodys asked the question

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