Seeing as nobodys asked the question

and before anyone even tries to say it, quite clearly this thread on this website turned "anti-social" a very long time ago.

makingmecrazy wrote: »

Because people don't agree with you perhaps?
I know this may seem as totally way out there notion to you, but women do actually have their own minds and opinions. I'm guessing you aren't to fond of that though

again with the women Vs men thing, what about your man from essex in england supposedly a "ken doll" look a like.

Do you think the guy who posted this thread agree's with his life choices?

Ok yes he obviously chose a poor subject/post choice, but the way I'm perceiving it he'd feel the same way about "ken" as he does these "barbies" he see's.

By the way if I missed the thread on women hating on the ken doll look a like for wearing too much make up and having too much plastic surgery, please enlighten me.

all in all we're now a society who views this behavior as normal (yes we have dinosaurs) doesn't every society?

My real problem is why is it if I ever breed (god forbid) and my child turns out to be female, by the age of 16 she'll be more interested in the best make-up she can get from me than dance classes or I dont know other female sporty/life stuff which doesn't evolve around her appearance. (my fear anyway)

society these days is broken, the fact people like the kardasians can make a living from simply recording their lives (jersey shore too, oh and of course TOWIE) means we literally live in a society where people are more interested in other peoples lives than their own.

That shíte is fubar.

pone2012 wrote: »

I totally agree, but let us return to the old phrase

"If *** jumped off a cliff, would you"

Hey, guys are just as guilty...The amount of Conor McGregor wannabes is a woeful sight indeed

Just because social media tells you something is right, doesn't make it so

Nobody needs to post selfies of themselves everyday or engage with that...they choose too

They chose to, but it becomes habit, habit becomes addiction. Have you seen the schools in China where they run boot camps to "cure" a childs social/gaming media addictions? Those are real and do exist. I know we're lagging behind here in Ire but how many years you think it would take?

I read an interview with Cristiano Ronaldo a few years ago where he spoke about his appearance and how he'd gotten a bit of stick for it, and he simply said that he didn't care what people said because how he styled himself mattered to him and gave him confidence. The interview stuck in my mind. Cristiano Ronaldo's appearance might not be to everyone's taste, but I honestly have no idea why people care so much about the fashion choices of a random person that they feel the need to openly criticise it. Who is actually being hurt by a woman choosing to wear thick eyeliner or a man's elaborate grooming regimen? There are plenty of fashion choices in men and women that aren't my cup of tea, but at the end of the day, I'm not the one who is making those choices and I do not feel as though my life is being in any way impacted by someone choosing to wear something they personally like. I'm sure there are plenty of people who don't think my fashion choices are anything to write home about, but thankfully I don't hang around the kind of people who would ever think it's okay to make someone feel bad about their choices. People wear things that appeal to them and make them feel good. You don't have to like it, but you don't have to be nasty either.

Live and let live.

Foxtrol wrote: »

I just don't get how there is such acceptance for the justification that 'I'm doing it for me'.

I'm skeptical about how truthful it is but if I take posters at their word isn't this a bit worrying? I'd understand trying to put your best self forward to impress others but if true these people are feeling they need to change themselves to look like a complete different person in order to make themselves happy about themselves. That sort of justification wouldn't be deemed as justification to ignore someone with an eating disorder, so why here?

It's human nature to try to fit or impress others but it just doesn't sound healthy that people are claiming that they regularly put as much effort and expense into their hair, makeup, clothes, tan etc, just to sit at home by themselves. One off examples of 'that one time when I was sick' are utterly pointless when discussing an issue that impacts so many people on a daily basis.

To me people are stretching 'doing it for me' to cover what they actually mean - 'I'm doing it to impress others* and that makes me feel better about myself'. Those two are very different, I understand the former but the latter is concerning.

*before someone again jumps on this and tries to strawman, I'm not talking about impressing men, I'm talking about impressing everyone they come across, from work colleagues, family, in-laws, friends, that b*tch Claire from college.

Because most people aren't so interested in telling other people their own minds as some men on here (and let's be honest it is men, so they can hardly claim they're being picked on!).

Your own claims that we should be worried about women wearing makeup and trying to tie that in with eating disorders are the kind of claims I'd be thinking one should be wary of. You either have no sense of proportion, or you know exactly what you're doing and you're trying to hide your personal subjective feelings about women wearing or doing anything you don't approve of, behind an objective "concern for society". I don't need a bullshìt detector to see that for what it is.

If I were to apply your line of thinking to the most benign social interaction I can think of:

The girl that served me behind the counter in Centra yesterday morning, pricked the palm of my hand with something as she was handing me back my change. I looked down and saw she'd talon shaped nails with eggshell pink and swarovski crystals. Thinking out loud before I could stop myself I remarked "Your nails are fantastic". I'd say she wished she was wearing makeup on her face at that moment because she went berry red with embarrassment. Realising what I'd said, I went berry red with embarrassment and all! :pac: Shuffled out of there fairly quickly!

According to your logic, she must have been wearing nails to impress me then (and only me of course, because your mindset is that she actually gave two fcuks what I thought and my opinion should matter to her, right?) and yet she was embarrassed when I was impressed. According to your logic, she should be "grateful" I was impressed, and yet she wasn't! How dare she, the stuck up so and so, right? :pac:

You can see why that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, right? She wasn't doing anything to impress me, she wasn't doing anything with the aim of impressing anyone else, she had just done it because she liked it, and me making a point of it is what actually made her self-conscious about them! Sure, they were completely impractical, but I imagine for her they were a fun idea at the time, and you're honestly going to criticise something that's a completely harmless hobby with temporary effects, and compare that to an eating disorder?

Sure, you carry on trying to tell people that your concern is for society, and I have no doubt you'll eventually meet someone dumb enough to believe that nonsense. Meanwhile, I'm fairly sure not too many other people will actually give two fcuks, because they have more important things on their own minds.

Nobody changes anything about their image 'just for themselves' unless it's weight/health related.

Why is it so hard to admit that we want to appear a certain way when people look at us?