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Tasden · 17-05-2016 09:28PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

You get asked if you’re sick tired because you’ve set an expectation of what you look like on a daily basis so obviously if you look different an attentive/noisy co-worker is going to ask you what is up. Using the beard example raised by a previous poster, if a guy shaved his beard one day should he take it negatively if someone commented on it? He doesn’t look how he normally does so he is questioned.

Regarding your sister, just because it’s obvious that she is wearing makeup doesn’t really help. If I walked around in a clown mask all day I may not be deceiving people that I’m wearing a clown mask, as it would be obvious, yet it doesn’t at all help anyone I meet actually know what I actually look like. Making yourself look like a totally different person sounds pretty sad.

I also disagree that the makeup trend is about fun. I know several women who complain about how little sleep they get despite the fact they wake up at least an hour earlier than they need to because of all the effort they put in to their appearance. I don’t see how that can be described as ‘fun’.

I'm well aware of why they notice a difference. But they are ignorant to the fact that its a lack of makeup, hence my natural looking make up being more deceptive than the more elaborate stuff. They expect me to "naturally " look the way i do when i wear my normal make up. When i wear a full face of make up they make reference to my natural face being nicer when in actual fact its not, they're thinking of my natural looking makeup. My natural face looks tired and spotty.

Doesnt help what exactly?

makingmecrazy · 17-05-2016 09:31PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

You get asked if you’re sick tired because you’ve set an expectation of what you look like on a daily basis so obviously if you look different an attentive/noisy co-worker is going to ask you what is up. Using the beard example raised by a previous poster, if a guy shaved his beard one day should he take it negatively if someone commented on it? He doesn’t look how he normally does so he is questioned.

Regarding your sister, just because it’s obvious that she is wearing makeup doesn’t really help. If I walked around in a clown mask all day I may not be deceiving people that I’m wearing a clown mask, as it would be obvious, yet it doesn’t at all help anyone I meet actually know what I actually look like. Making yourself look like a totally different person sounds pretty sad.

I also disagree that the makeup trend is about fun. I know several women who complain about how little sleep they get despite the fact they wake up at least an hour earlier than they need to because of all the effort they put in to their appearance. I don’t see how that can be described as ‘fun’.

I was going into town on the bus there before Xmas and there was an elderly(70's)woman sitting near me. She was done up to the nines, old school style.
She had a herringbone cape style 50's coat with a fur collar and a FULL face of make up(red lips etc). Her hair was grey but pinned and styled(a bit messily)
Now, her make up was also a bit messy, bit on her teeth etc, but by god did she rock it. She just sat there with an air of serene confidence and I just thought "I bet you were something back in the day"

Foxtrol · 17-05-2016 09:44PM

Tasden wrote: »

I'm well aware of why they notice a difference. But they are ignorant to the fact that its a lack of makeup, hence my natural looking make up being more deceptive than the more elaborate stuff. They expect me to "naturally " look the way i do when i wear my normal make up. When i wear a full face of make up they make reference to my natural face being nicer when in actual fact its not, they're thinking of my natural looking makeup. My natural face looks tired and spotty.

They expect you to look the way you normally do. What do you expect them to say, ‘Jesus, you look terrible without makeup’? I think you’re giving yourself a bit too much credit if you think they don’t realise you wear makeup on a daily basis.

Doesnt help what exactly?

It doesn’t help to know what she actually looks like. The logic of ‘ah, it should be obvious that I’m wearing makeup so it is other people’s fault if they make assumptions based on how I look’ doesn’t fly. I wouldn’t accept that excuse if someone was pretending their personality, wealth, occupation, relationship status was different so I don’t accept it when it comes to looks.

Tasden · 17-05-2016 09:53PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

They expect you to look the way you normally do. What do you expect them to say, ‘Jesus, you look terrible without makeup’? I think you’re giving yourself a bit too much credit if you think they don’t realise you wear makeup on a daily basis.

It doesn’t help to know what she actually looks like. The logic of ‘ah, it should be obvious that I’m wearing makeup so it is other people’s fault if they make assumptions based on how I look’ doesn’t fly. I wouldn’t accept that excuse if someone was pretending their personality, wealth, occupation, relationship status was different so I don’t accept it when it comes to looks.

Did you even read my first post? I actually expect people not to pass comment about my face at all.

Well as the phrase goes, "when you assume you make an ass out of u and me", so maybe she just doesn't care what people assume about her looks, whatever that means.

Foxtrol · 17-05-2016 09:55PM

Also, I don’t know how fake tan hasn’t come up here more.

It must have been created by the devil, it stinks, ruins clothes, ruins sheets, takes a lot of time and effort to put on, is expensive and to top it off even the most expensive stuff doesn’t even look good, with the cheap stuff making people look horrible.

That’s a ‘trend’ I wish would die a quick death.

retro:electro · 17-05-2016 10:01PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Also, I don’t know how fake tan hasn’t come up here more.

It must have been created by the devil, it stinks, ruins clothes, ruins sheets, takes a lot of time and effort to put on, is expensive and to top it off even the most expensive stuff doesn’t even look good, with the cheap stuff making people look horrible.

That’s a ‘trend’ I wish would die a quick death.

When applied badly yes. Like most things, people give out about false tan because they've only ever seen it looking disasterous and assume that's what it's like on everyone. When applied well, fake tan can look amazing and very natural. I wear fake tan, but not to make me tanned looking, it makes me look less dead and gives me a bit of a glow. I like being pale, but fake tan takes me from blue to white

Foxtrol · 17-05-2016 10:06PM

Tasden wrote: »

Did you even read my first post? I actually expect people not to pass comment about my face at all.

They’re commenting on your health because you look pale/sick, not on your face. It’s strange as you seemed proud of that fact a few posts ago. They might suspect that it could be makeup but at the same time you could be sick and need to go home.

Is it just your face you have an issue with people commenting on?

Well as the phrase goes, "when you assume you make an ass out of u and me", so maybe she just doesn't care what people assume about her looks, whatever that means.

I’ve no problem with that opinion if you’re consistent with it. So you’d have no issue if a guy you started dating turned out to have a girlfriend because you ‘assumed’ that he was single?

Foxtrol · 17-05-2016 10:24PM

anna080 wrote: »

When applied badly yes. Like most things, people give out about false tan because they've only ever seen it looking disasterous and assume that's what it's like on everyone. When applied well, fake tan can look amazing and very natural. I wear fake tan, but not to make me tanned looking, it makes me look less dead and gives me a bit of a glow. I like being pale, but fake tan takes me from blue to white

I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on this.

I’ve definitely seen fake tans that are less bad than others but I’ve yet to see one that is an improvement on the natural (be it tan or pastiness) and that’s not even taking into account all the drawbacks of using it.

I really don’t know why a country of naturally pasty skinned people, with limited sunshine, attempt to look like they’re something straight out of Southern California. In plenty of other places there’s an ability to be tanned in the summer and pasty in the winter, it’s like we want to overcompensate for the lack of summer by being a strange shade of patchy orange all year round.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 17-05-2016 10:26PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

It doesn’t help to know what she actually looks like. The logic of ‘ah, it should be obvious that I’m wearing makeup so it is other people’s fault if they make assumptions based on how I look’ doesn’t fly. I wouldn’t accept that excuse if someone was pretending their personality, wealth, occupation, relationship status was different so I don’t accept it when it comes to looks.

People aren't saying that you can look at a woman wearing full and obvious make-up and it's your responsibility to know what she looks like, beyond the fact that she obviously doesn't look like that. If you wear the Kardashian-style stuff you're not trying to 'deceive' anyone into thinking that's what you look like, that's the very simple point that's being made.

You seem very outraged

Tasden · 17-05-2016 10:37PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

They’re commenting on your health because you look pale/sick, not on your face. It’s strange as you seemed proud of that fact a few posts ago. They might suspect that it could be makeup but at the same time you could be sick and need to go home.

Is it just your face you have an issue with people commenting on?

I’ve no problem with that opinion if you’re consistent with it. So you’d have no issue if a guy you started dating turned out to have a girlfriend because you ‘assumed’ that he was single?

I seemed proud? What are you even reading? You seem to have completely missed what my point was. When I don't wear make up they think I'm sick because I look unwell compared to my usual healthy looking skin. Yet when i wear alot of make up they say I look better with no makeup. They are obviously thinking of my natural makeup and not my sickly looking bare face when they say this. Hence the natural makeup is more "deceptive" as people think this is my natural face as opposed to just very nice make up. I don't see how I can make that any clearer for you.

Someone wouldn't assume a person is single unless the person in the relationship actively withheld information and deliberately misled them to believe they were single.
Women wearing elaborate make up are not trying to insinuate that they woke up with a bright red lip and highlighter on their cheekbones and purple eyelids. They are not trying to lure poor unsuspecting men into their bed under false pretences. It is you and others making the "assumptions" (again i don't know what you mean by that). This brings me back to my first point which hopefully you understand now- that natural looking makeup would be more "deceptive" to those who make assumptions than a full face of dramatic make up.

Foxtrol · 17-05-2016 10:42PM

Ledger Tinkling Vial wrote: »

People aren't saying that you can look at a woman wearing full and obvious make-up and it's your responsibility to know what she looks like, beyond the fact that she obviously doesn't look like that. If you wear the Kardashian-style stuff you're not trying to 'deceive' anyone into thinking that's what you look like, that's the very simple point that's being made.

You seem very outraged

I’m far from outraged, thanks.

Why is the poster saying that knowing someone is wearing layers of makeup is ‘better’ than wearing less and it not being so noticeable? They both have the same result.

Tasden · 17-05-2016 10:43PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

I’m far from outraged, thanks.

Why is the poster saying that knowing someone is wearing layers of makeup is ‘better’ than wearing less and it not being so noticeable? They both have the same result.

The poster isn't saying that at all.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 17-05-2016 10:49PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

I’m far from outraged, thanks.

Why is the poster saying that knowing someone is wearing layers of makeup is ‘better’ than wearing less and it not being so noticeable? They both have the same result.

Well it's how you seem. It's not my responsibility to know your true state of mind, I can only go on how your posts are making it appear

The poster isn't saying that at all. She's saying the type of full-on, contouring, false lashes etc. look that's being criticised on the the grounds of being deceptive is in fact less deceptive than a less full-on look, because the second look gets read as an absence of make-up.

thegreatgonzo · 17-05-2016 10:55PM

Candie wrote: »

Not for everyone, it has to be said. I can no more spend hours painting my face than I can painting the Mona Lisa.

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Me neither. For one thing I'm far too lazy and also I'm just no good at doing the fancy things like winged eyeliner or straightening my hair.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 17-05-2016 10:57PM

thegreatgonzo wrote: »

Me neither. For one thing I'm far too lazy and also I'm just no good at doing the fancy things like winged eyeliner or straightening my hair.

That really is a mystery to me, and I love how it looks, do those people have two right hands or what is going on, how, how??? I can get mascara on symmetrically just about

Foxtrol · 17-05-2016 10:58PM

Tasden wrote: »

I seemed proud? What are you even reading? You seem to have completely missed what my point was. When I don't wear make up they think I'm sick because I look unwell compared to my usual healthy looking skin. Yet when i wear alot of make up they say I look better with no makeup. They are obviously thinking of my natural makeup and not my sickly looking bare face when they say this. Hence the natural makeup is more "deceptive" as people think this is my natural face as opposed to just very nice make up. I don't see how I can make that any clearer for you.

The only way that makes sense is if you think your colleagues believe you wear no makeup into work, which I doubt anyone believes about their female colleagues (barring the odd exceptions).

I think the likelier scenario is that they’re being nice and by saying ‘you look better with no makeup’ is better than saying ‘Jesus, you look like krusty the clown tonight, you look better with the makeup you normally wear in the office’.

Someone wouldn't assume a person is single unless the person in the relationship actively withheld information and deliberately misled them to believe they were single.
Women wearing elaborate make up are not trying to insinuate that they woke up with a bright red lip and highlighter on their cheekbones and purple eyelids. They are not trying to lure poor unsuspecting men into their bed under false pretences. It is you and others making the "assumptions" (again i don't know what you mean by that). This brings me back to my first point which hopefully you understand now- that natural looking makeup would be more "deceptive" to those who make assumptions than a full face of dramatic make up.

This is where a lot of female poster’s struggle with hypocrisy. How is refusing to show what you actually look like without makeup anything other than deliberately misleading? You can’t hide behind ‘I’m doing it for me, and it's up to him to known’. It sounds as silly as if a guy with a girlfriend said it.

thegreatgonzo · 17-05-2016 10:58PM

Ledger Tinkling Vial wrote: »

That really is a mystery to me, and I love how it looks, do those people have two right hands or what is going on, how, how???

I know, I'm really envious, how do they not get it all over their face?

Lyaiera · 17-05-2016 11:04PM

If you think a woman is deceiving you with make up, don't talk to her.

maudgonner · 17-05-2016 11:07PM

I saw this recently. It sums up my feelings about winged eyeliner:

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/putting-eyeliner-on.jpg

Tasden · 17-05-2016 11:17PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

The only way that makes sense is if you think your colleagues believe you wear no makeup into work, which I doubt anyone believes about their female colleagues (barring the odd exceptions).

I think the likelier scenario is that they’re being nice and by saying ‘you look better with no makeup’ is better than saying ‘Jesus, you look like krusty the clown tonight, you look better with the makeup you normally wear in the office’.

This is where a lot of female poster’s struggle with hypocrisy. How is refusing to show what you actually look like without makeup anything other than deliberately misleading? You can’t hide behind ‘I’m doing it for me, and it's up to him to known’. It sounds as silly as if a guy with a girlfriend said it.

Well I'm the only female in the office that actually wears make up, that I know of, maybe some wear light makeup the odd day that isn't obvious but generally speaking. Unless we are all just experts at applying makeup so it looks natural. So I don't know what point you're trying to make.

Misleading you in relation to what? What exactly is the betrayal?

the evasion_kid · 17-05-2016 11:21PM

thegreatgonzo wrote: »

I know, I'm really envious, how do they not get it all over their face?

There's a handy little device for doing it,I've seen my sister using it

makingmecrazy · 17-05-2016 11:28PM

Ledger Tinkling Vial wrote: »

That really is a mystery to me, and I love how it looks, do those people have two right hands or what is going on, how, how??? I can get mascara on symmetrically just about

Its not that difficult

(or is it? I don't find it awkward to do)

I would only use it really if going somewhere glam(small bit of eyeliner otherwise)

I never spend more than 15 mins MAX doing a full face for a night out.

Don't bother with false lashes. Don't like them.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 17-05-2016 11:37PM

makingmecrazy wrote: »

Its not that difficult (or is it? I don't find it awkward to do)

I would only use it really if going somewhere glam(small bit of eyeliner otherwise)

I never spend more than 15 mins MAX doing a full face for a night out.

Don't bother with false lashes. Don't like them.

Fine motor skills wouldn't be my strong suit in general in fairness, probably comes easier to some people than others!

Keane2baMused · 17-05-2016 11:50PM

Ledger Tinkling Vial wrote: »

That really is a mystery to me, and I love how it looks, do those people have two right hands or what is going on, how, how??? I can get mascara on symmetrically just about

Selotape

jigglypuffstuff · 18-05-2016 12:08AM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Also, I don’t know how fake tan hasn’t come up here more.

It must have been created by the devil, it stinks, ruins clothes, ruins sheets, takes a lot of time and effort to put on, is expensive and to top it off even the most expensive stuff doesn’t even look good, with the cheap stuff making people look horrible.

That’s a ‘trend’ I wish would die a quick death.

Sorry man, It was most definitely implied

anna080 wrote: »

When applied badly yes. Like most things, people give out about false tan because they've only ever seen it looking disasterous and assume that's what it's like on everyone. When applied well, fake tan can look amazing and very natural. I wear fake tan, but not to make me tanned looking, it makes me look less dead and gives me a bit of a glow. I like being pale, but fake tan takes me from blue to white

I dont see how fake tan can be anything but disastrous. On top of that, its a whole lot of effort to impress somebody else .

makingmecrazy · 18-05-2016 12:19AM

pone2012 wrote: »

Sorry man, It was most definitely implied

I dont see how fake tan can be anything but disastrous. On top of that, its a whole lot of effort to impress somebody else .

Again. With the total missing of the points being made on this thread.
Women here have time and again posted that they do make up/tan etc FOR THEMSELVES. Not for you.

I like to look good for me. Not you.

Contributor 2013 · 18-05-2016 12:20AM

What I see from* this thread is a small community. One which dislikes females and one which dislikes males.

Very sad they cannot find a way to promote themselves and each other in a different form of expression.

Interesting to observe this, sad, but interesting.

Good luck.

jigglypuffstuff · 18-05-2016 12:23AM

makingmecrazy wrote: »

Again. With the total missing of the points being made on this thread.
Women here have time and again posted that they do make up/tan etc FOR THEMSELVES. Not for you.

I like to look good for me. Not you.

So, Let me guess, you're wearing fake tan while at home then? while you are solely in your own company?? when not one other set of eyes looks at you

Sorry, dont buy it

Contributor 2013 · 18-05-2016 12:25AM

pone2012 wrote: »

So, Let me guess, you're wearing fake tan while at home then? while you are solely in your own company?? when not one other set of eyes looks at you

Sorry, dont buy it

Some people prefer the image they look at in the mirror by adding certain products, rather than judge those individuals, judge the society that has shaped this form of thinking.

There's plenty of male examples of this also.

makingmecrazy · 18-05-2016 12:28AM

pone2012 wrote: »

So, Let me guess, you're wearing fake tan while at home then? while you are solely in your own company?? *when not one other set of eyes looks at you*

Sorry, dont buy it

I suppose being as young as you are, you still think that everything revolves around you.
I paint my nails watching the tv. No-one here to admire them but me.
I have often gotten a tan "just because".
*Do you REALLY think everything a woman does is for the sole attention of men?*

And as an fyi, you're not being asked to buy anything

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