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20 somethings...does their attitude stink?
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Damn straight. When I was 23 I had a permanent, salaried, technician position with shift-allowance with a huge multinational. That time, Dublin was only just starting to wake up. The world was my oyster.
The vast majority of people in their early 20s I encounter are thoughtful, intelligent and hard-working. Of course they like their fun and avoid getting bogged down in overly-heavy stuff, which is completely normal for their age. I don't blame them for being a bit nervous and pissed-off these days, and I have every sympathy with them.
When I was 23 I hadn't the sense I was born with. I was like Fr. Jack. FECK, ARSE, DRINK, DRINK, DRINK.
Thankfully I got married and she hammered some sense into me.
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I harp on about this quite a lot, but it's a fascinating part of human cultural history that can be blamed for all sorts of ridiculous nonsense that people still get up to.That quotation is spurious, unfortunately
I can replace it with a better, well-attested one:
"Our sires' age was worse than our grandsires'. We, their sons, are more worthless than they; so in our turn we shall give the world a progeny yet more corrupt." Horace, Book III of Odes, ca. 20 B.C.
For quite a long time the accepted wisdom was that humans were getting worse with every passing generation. Largely because as a culture we tend to defer to the wisdom of elders, and elders could plainly see that the next generation were nothing but entitled malcontents.
This yielded two logical conclusions;
1. At some point in the past humans were perfect, or nearly-perfect.
2. At some point in the future humans will be so wretched that they'll effectively cease to exist.
We can see how this fits into the narrative put forward by practically every religion (extinct and otherwise) - man was at some stage close to godliness and experienced some kind of fall from grace. Legends abound of men who walked and talked with the god(s), stood eight feet tall, lived hundreds of years and achieved mighty deeds unattainable by modern people.
And stories of apocalypse/judgement/end of the world. The belief that an end of days will come.
Every generation has its ups and downs, it's own individual difficulties to bear.
For the majority of the western world, every generation since WWII has had it better than their ancestors. While today's twenty-somethings will complain about the apparent hardship that is housing and debt, they take for granted the freedoms of conscience, religion, movement and thought that their own parents didn't have.
Many of today's 20-somethings who claim that the cost of being a student makes life difficult, don't realise that their own parents may not have even gotten a leaving cert and had to scrape their way to a living for the first two decade of their post-school life.
Indeed, with the exception of short-term blips like wars, practically every generation has a better life than their ancestors.0 -
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Oh yeah all of that "I'll never have a career" and "I won't pass my exams" and "How can I afford rent" stuff is a fucking breeze isn't it?
Ahh you poor lamb.
You do know people worried about those things long before now.
And people worried about having to emigrate long before the last few years as well.
The one big thing I have noticed is how well off some teenagers and third level students have become over the last 10-15 years.
Many moons ago the only students with cars were the ones whose parents owned a garage and even then it was usually something the auld fellow couldn't find a buyer for.
Getting to college meant long friday/sunday evening trips on Bus Eireann shi*heaps.
Worse still half the bus drivers were fans of MWR and if the old batteries in the walkman were dead then your brain was melted.
Students left in the summer to find jobs not go find themselves or just have the craic.
No fooker I ever knew in school got a holiday for doing their exams.
Some actually got to emigrate straight away to a building site in London.
There are pluses and minuses to all the new technology and the continous connectivity that people in general and students now have.
Back in the day it was harder to figure out who the nice girls down the front were and if they had any boyfriends since there was no facebook, twitter or instagram.
Also you couldn't figure out if they really were not "nice" girls at all.;)
Sometimes I seriously wonder if most social media was invented by and for stalkers.
There was no hooking up online, unless someone meant illegally tapping into the cable running down the side of the student house.
Then again you could go out some night, get manky drunk, make a complete eejit of yourself, fall out onto the street from the Oasis or Warwick in Salthill, and there would be no record of it out there for all eternity for every future partner, employer, judge to see.
You could deny it all and shure claim the ones that were there were just as drunk as yourself.
Could they ever prove it.
PS young folks need to look up such terms as walkmans.
And MWR is Mid West Radio which had one of the worse track listing ever known to anyone with any ear for music.I am not allowed discuss …
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Ahh you poor lamb.
You do know people worried about those things long before now.
And people worried about having to emigrate long before the last few years as well.
They did but that makes this generation equal, not better off.The one big thing I have noticed is how well off some teenagers and third level students have become over the last 10-15 years.
Many moons ago the only students with cars were the ones whose parents owned a garage and even then it was usually something the auld fellow couldn't find a buyer for.
Not my experience. Lots of kids had cars when I was college, or access to one. I didn't. I wonder how prevalent that is these days (given the car market fell off a cliff from 2008-2015, not very).Getting to college meant long friday/sunday evening trips on Bus Eireann shi*heaps.
Worse still half the bus drivers were fans of MWR and if the old batteries in the walkman were dead then your brain was melted.
I'd be frankly surprised if most 3rd level students who live away from home don't still take the bus or train.Students left in the summer to find jobs not go find themselves or just have the craic.
No fooker I ever knew in school got a holiday for doing their exams.
3rd level students still go abroad to get jobs.Some actually got to emigrate straight away to a building site in London.
In the last few years that's a pub in London.There are pluses and minuses to all the new technology and the continous connectivity that people in general and students now have.
Back in the day it was harder to figure out who the nice girls down the front were and if they had any boyfriends since there was no facebook, twitter or instagram.
Also you couldn't figure out if they really were not "nice" girls at all.;)
Sometimes I seriously wonder if most social media was invented by and for stalkers.
There was no hooking up online, unless someone meant illegally tapping into the cable running down the side of the student house.
Then again you could go out some night, get manky drunk, make a complete eejit of yourself, fall out onto the street from the Oasis or Warwick in Salthill, and there would be no record of it out there for all eternity for every future partner, employer, judge to see.
Technology moves on.PS young folks need to look up such terms as walkmans.
And MWR is Mid West Radio which had one of the worse track listing ever known to anyone with any ear for music.
Taking of the Walkman, I had one as a pre teenager much to the disgust of a gran aunt who was fond of the "in my day", argument like yourself. Except unlike yourself she and her generation had much to complain about. She grew up in a slum house with no electricity and outdoor toiletry. No sure if she had running water.
I could see her point. You don't have much of one.0 -
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tomwaterford wrote: »It's called the fcuk it attitude :pac:
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A generation of perpetually offended snowflakes huddling in their safe spaces for fear of being triggered.
They have zero coping skills, make **** all effort and take any setback at all as a sign that the system doesn't work and everyone is out to get them.
This is what happens when you raise your kids to believe that everyone is somehow special.
You sound offended. Did this thread trigger you, m8?Im 24 and I definitely have a 'having the craic, everything will be grand attitude'. Im also very responsible and mature when I need to be, which is rare.
I'm married, own a house and have 2 kids, so that's probably unusual for someone my age. I hate most people my age, or anyone who is immature and childish.
As another twenty-something......how? How the fucck did you manage that?
My attitude stinks because my formerly great attitude has got me nowhere at this point. Just got fired from a job I worked really hard in (for fucck-all), I am broke, in good health at least (I think), but at this point just fucccck it.
Mindless hedonism followed by a quick and painless death is the way forward I'd say. Sure the aul global warming will have us 'atin our children before too long0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df8Y3AZLSAE
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