20 somethings...does their attitude stink?

It just seems to be something I've recently noticed more and more. Have had to deal with a few and their attitude sucks. They have this arrogance, sense of entitlement that and a shallowness I just don't see in the 30 plus age group. They also seem unable to address anything at any level beyond "having the craic". Of course that's not universal, maybe it's not even common, but I'm finding it more and more. Course, maybe I'm becoming a grumpy old man...

Anyone else think this about that age group and wonder what has happened to that generation?

BattleCorp

Deleted User wrote: »

It just seems to be something I've recently noticed more and more. Have had to deal with a few and their attitude sucks. They have this arrogance, sense of entitlement that and a shallowness I just don't see in the 30 plus age group. They also seem unable to address anything at any level beyond "having the craic". Of course that's not universal, maybe it's not even common, but I'm finding it more and more. Course, maybe I'm becoming a grumpy old man...

Anyone else think this about that age group and wonder what has happened to that generation?

Weren't we the same when we were in our 20's?

The Backwards Man

They went to fcuk after I turned 30


The ones in their thirties will do the same in a couple of years time

GLaDOS

Every one of us is a cnut, without exception.

Especially me.

galljga1

You are just getting old and possibly forgetting how entitled your generation was.

The King of Moo

It's a combination of the fact that twentysomethings generally have less stress and pressure on them than people in their thirties (families, mortgages etc.) and the fact that we have always tended to think of younger generations as being more useless than we were at that.

Squeeonline

I think there's a big difference with people who are 20-23, to those who are 27-30.

I certainly have more grey hair.

Speedwell

I'm nearly 50, and I'm constantly enchanted with how in-touch, passionate, and fair-minded "kids" are these days. It's the crop now in their early 30s I want to shake and ask what the heck is wrong with.

StupidLikeAFox

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It just seems to be something I've recently noticed more and more. Have had to deal with a few and their attitude sucks. They have this arrogance, sense of entitlement that and a shallowness I just don't see in the 30 plus age group. They also seem unable to address anything at any level beyond "having the craic". Of course that's not universal, maybe it's not even common, but I'm finding it more and more. Course, maybe I'm becoming a grumpy old man...

Anyone else think this about that age group and wonder what has happened to that generation?

Out of curiosity, under what circumstances?

JustShon

I can only speak for myself as a 20-something.

I'm not arrogant, I have self-confidence issues.

I do have a sense of entitlement if I'm honest, but then again there are things I'm entitled to, as is every other person.

I tend to take things too seriously so yes I do think beyond "Having the craic"

In general my attitude stinks but that's because of a viciously pessimistic outlook on life.

StupidLikeAFox

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Out of curiosity, under what circumstances?

Across a range of circumstances, work, social (friends of friends stuff), family etc. etc.

Cina

I think every age group has it's fair share of arseholes and you were just unlucky enough to meet a high percentage of ones in their Twenties.

Dyr

Nah the current batch are all twatweasels

Speedwell

Deleted User wrote: »

Across a range of circumstances, work, social (friends of friends stuff), family etc. etc.

If you sometimes see a problematical attitude in the occasional 20-something in a few circumstances, then you are likely to be seeing a real problem, confined to those individuals and circumstances. If you see it in every, or nearly every individual and case, I'm afraid the problem is you.

osarusan

Had boards been about 40 years ago you'd have seen the same question being asked about the youngsters with their jitterbugging and their onions in their belts.

Wibbs

People have been saying "bloody hell, kids these days" since the Babylonians first applied reeds to soft clay.

jester77

It's just a sign that you are feeling old.

AnonoBoy

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Out of curiosity, under what circumstances?

Trying to convince them to sleep with him in nightclubs.

the evasion_kid

Wibbs wrote: »

People have been saying "bloody hell, kids these days" since the Babylonians first applied reeds to soft clay.

"The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise." - attributed to Socrates

Pretty sure the ancient Egyptians had inscriptions saying the same thing.

jimgoose

You're always going to have a certain percentage of youngsters like that with their heads up their arses - I certainly did. It's not easy these days, trying to figure out who you're supposed to be and what you're supposed to do. It's a hell of a lot easier and more fun being a 44-year-old engineer with the mind of an eight-year-old. :pac:

Bambi wrote: »

...twatweasels

I think it goes without saying that this would be a superb name for an electrofunkified thrash-Morris Dancing outfit.

Speedwell

the evasion_kid wrote: »

"The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise." - attributed to Socrates

Pretty sure the ancient Egyptians had inscriptions saying the same thing.

That quotation is spurious, unfortunately I can replace it with a better, well-attested one:

"Our sires' age was worse than our grandsires'. We, their sons, are more worthless than they; so in our turn we shall give the world a progeny yet more corrupt." Horace, Book III of Odes, ca. 20 B.C.

the evasion_kid

Speedwell wrote: »

That quotation is spurious, unfortunately I can replace it with a better, well-attested one:

"Our sires' age was worse than our grandsires'. We, their sons, are more worthless than they; so in our turn we shall give the world a progeny yet more corrupt." Horace, Book III of Odes, ca. 20 B.C.

Never looked into it,seems to be confusion on its origin.

It's a reoccurring theme down through the years though

http://proto-knowledge.blogspot.ie/2010/11/what-is-wrong-with-young-people-today.html

Your Face

Like, whatever lol

dan1895

osarusan wrote: »

Had boards been about 40 years ago you'd have seen the same question being asked about the youngsters with their jitterbugging and their onions in their belts.

As was the style at the time

seamus

http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/645713-am-i-out-of-touch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV0wTtiJygY

K-9

Their attitude always stank, except me when I was their age.

Wait till the 19 year olds become 20.

Zillah

The King of Moo wrote: »

It's a combination of the fact that twentysomethings generally have less stress and pressure on them than people in their thirties

Oh yeah all of that "I'll never have a career" and "I won't pass my exams" and "How can I afford rent" stuff is a fucking breeze isn't it?

Story Bud?

Yes, I certainly see what the issue with the current bunch of 20 somethings is.

I'm afraid what it all boils down to Conor, is that you are officially old!

Peter Anthony

Deleted User wrote: »

It just seems to be something I've recently noticed more and more. Have had to deal with a few and their attitude sucks. They have this arrogance, sense of entitlement that and a shallowness I just don't see in the 30 plus age group. They also seem unable to address anything at any level beyond "having the craic". Of course that's not universal, maybe it's not even common, but I'm finding it more and more. Course, maybe I'm becoming a grumpy old man...

Anyone else think this about that age group and wonder what has happened to that generation?

I would agree with you that 20 something generation are incredibly shallow, and alot are sheep like following the media and stuff like instagram is so important to some. Very superficial and false

But I really cant agree about the self entitlement. There is a big mindset of self entitlement in this country yes but of all ages, plenty 30 plus. Lets not forget the Celtic Tiger eh? Many people in their 20s certainly did not get their taste of that because they were too young, they just had to deal with the bankruptcy of the state and **** that followed.

The King of Moo

Zillah wrote: »

Oh yeah all of that "I'll never have a career" and "I won't pass my exams" and "How can I afford rent" stuff is a fucking breeze isn't it?

It's not at all.

It's a good thing then that I didn't say that twentysomethings have no stress or pressure on them, isn't it?

That would've been embarrassing!

FTA69

The generation described by the OP often do have a raw deal to be honest. Across the Western world, in general it's fair to say that this generation will have a lower living standard than the one before it. Young people are facing a difficult life on a variety of fronts. In a society of spiralling inequality, employment has become increasingly precarious with wages being driven down, tenure being short term and insecure and a dwindling Union membership. Home ownership is largely unattainable for swathes of workers nowadays and people are finding themselves saddled with debt. With the erosion of the welfare state many young people find it difficult to avail of things like education and healthcare (some countries are better or worse in this regard) and are witnessing a spree of privatisation and closure of other public services. Things like pensions and retirement will probably be gone by the time I reach my 60s. I think young people have plenty to be annoyed about to be honest.

As a joke goes over here; "bloody kids always complaining, when I was their age all I had was a permanent contract and the ability to buy property in central London!"

Christy42

Peter Anthony wrote: »

I would agree with you that 20 something generation are incredibly shallow, and alot are sheep like following the media and stuff like instagram is so important to some. Very superficial and false

As opposed to which generation?

jimgoose

FTA69 wrote: »

...As a joke goes over here; "bloody kids always complaining, when I was their age all I had was a permanent contract and the ability to buy property in central London!"

Damn straight. When I was 23 I had a permanent, salaried, technician position with shift-allowance with a huge multinational. That time, Dublin was only just starting to wake up. The world was my oyster.

The vast majority of people in their early 20s I encounter are thoughtful, intelligent and hard-working. Of course they like their fun and avoid getting bogged down in overly-heavy stuff, which is completely normal for their age. I don't blame them for being a bit nervous and pissed-off these days, and I have every sympathy with them.

BattleCorp

jimgoose wrote: »

Damn straight. When I was 23 I had a permanent, salaried, technician position with shift-allowance with a huge multinational. That time, Dublin was only just starting to wake up. The world was my oyster.

The vast majority of people in their early 20s I encounter are thoughtful, intelligent and hard-working. Of course they like their fun and avoid getting bogged down in overly-heavy stuff, which is completely normal for their age. I don't blame them for being a bit nervous and pissed-off these days, and I have every sympathy with them.

When I was 23 I hadn't the sense I was born with. I was like Fr. Jack. FECK, ARSE, DRINK, DRINK, DRINK.

Thankfully I got married and she hammered some sense into me.

Irish Guitarist

I turned 40 a few months ago. I now hate anyone aged 39 or under. Anyone that was born after February 1976 is a loser whose only interests are Drake and happy slapping.

seamus

Speedwell wrote: »

That quotation is spurious, unfortunately I can replace it with a better, well-attested one:

"Our sires' age was worse than our grandsires'. We, their sons, are more worthless than they; so in our turn we shall give the world a progeny yet more corrupt." Horace, Book III of Odes, ca. 20 B.C.

I harp on about this quite a lot, but it's a fascinating part of human cultural history that can be blamed for all sorts of ridiculous nonsense that people still get up to.

For quite a long time the accepted wisdom was that humans were getting worse with every passing generation. Largely because as a culture we tend to defer to the wisdom of elders, and elders could plainly see that the next generation were nothing but entitled malcontents.

This yielded two logical conclusions;

1. At some point in the past humans were perfect, or nearly-perfect.

2. At some point in the future humans will be so wretched that they'll effectively cease to exist.


We can see how this fits into the narrative put forward by practically every religion (extinct and otherwise) - man was at some stage close to godliness and experienced some kind of fall from grace. Legends abound of men who walked and talked with the god(s), stood eight feet tall, lived hundreds of years and achieved mighty deeds unattainable by modern people.

And stories of apocalypse/judgement/end of the world. The belief that an end of days will come.

Every generation has its ups and downs, it's own individual difficulties to bear.
For the majority of the western world, every generation since WWII has had it better than their ancestors. While today's twenty-somethings will complain about the apparent hardship that is housing and debt, they take for granted the freedoms of conscience, religion, movement and thought that their own parents didn't have.
Many of today's 20-somethings who claim that the cost of being a student makes life difficult, don't realise that their own parents may not have even gotten a leaving cert and had to scrape their way to a living for the first two decade of their post-school life.

Indeed, with the exception of short-term blips like wars, practically every generation has a better life than their ancestors.

Badly Drunk Boy

Wibbs wrote: »

People have been saying "bloody hell, kids these days" since the Babylonians first applied reeds to soft clay.

"Won't do his cuniform, eh? I'll tell you where I'd like to wedge his cuniform!!"

Lavinia

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyone else think this about that age group and wonder what has happened to that generation?

Growing up in a computer era?
Not sure why but it seems from time to time that this has a negative impact on formation of young people's characters being exposed to all kinds of stuff since way too young for it to process it properly..


Maybe..

lawlolawl

A generation of perpetually offended snowflakes huddling in their safe spaces for fear of being triggered.

They have zero coping skills, make **** all effort and take any setback at all as a sign that the system doesn't work and everyone is out to get them.

This is what happens when you raise your kids to believe that everyone is somehow special.

JustShon

lawlolawl wrote: »

A generation of perpetually offended snowflakes huddling in their safe spaces for fear of being triggered.

They have zero coping skills, make **** all effort and take any setback at all as a sign that the system doesn't work and everyone is out to get them.

This is what happens when you raise your kids to believe that everyone is somehow special.

It's important to keep in mind that we're not all perpetually offended snowflakes. The problem is that those of us who just get on with it are busy getting on with it while the offended snowflakes are on social media with a vlog about how offended they are so you mostly hear from the offended snowflakes.

FizzleSticks

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Outlaw Pete

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df8Y3AZLSAE

c68zapdsm5i1ru

lawlolawl wrote: »

A generation of perpetually offended snowflakes huddling in their safe spaces for fear of being triggered.

They have zero coping skills, make **** all effort and take any setback at all as a sign that the system doesn't work and everyone is out to get them.

This is what happens when you raise your kids to believe that everyone is somehow special.

I agree that some twenty somethings are the victims of this kind of parenting. Idiots who rush out of the house to have a go at any neighbour who dares to ask their kids to keep the noise down; are constantly marching down to the school to object to their child being given out to/not getting a speaking part in the school play; and wouldn't dream of making their children sit down and behave themselves in a restaurant or other public space.

You really can't blame kids who have been brought up like this to think they're the centre of the universe, and to have absolutely no awareness of anyone else.

StupidLikeAFox

lawlolawl wrote: »

A generation of perpetually offended snowflakes huddling in their safe spaces for fear of being triggered.

They have zero coping skills, make **** all effort and take any setback at all as a sign that the system doesn't work and everyone is out to get them.

This is what happens when you raise your kids to believe that everyone is somehow special.

Bar the odd ridiculous video on youtube, I think this type of person is a mythical stereotype that is thrown out far more often than is deserved

Speedwell

Marlee Shrilling Register wrote: »

I agree that some twenty somethings are the victims of this kind of parenting. Idiots who rush out of the house to have a go at any neighbour who dares to ask their kids to keep the noise down; are constantly marching down to the school to object to their child being given out to/not getting a speaking part in the school play; and wouldn't dream of making their children sit down and behave themselves in a restaurant or other public space.

You really can't blame kids who have been brought up like this to think they're the centre of the universe, and to have absolutely no awareness of anyone else.

Yeah, ever heard of "the Me Generation"? Spoiler: Not a 21st century term!

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Speedwell wrote: »

Yeah, ever heard of "the Me Generation"? Spoiler: Not a 21st century term!

I agree it's not exclusive to twenty somethings. But that particular type of parent seems to have become more common in the last couple of decades.

GLaDOS

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Bar the odd ridiculous video on youtube, I think this type of person is a mythical stereotype that is thrown out far more often than is deserved

I genuinely don't think I know anyone in real life who fits that description. See it online all the time sure, but by no means makes it the norm.

StupidLikeAFox

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Bar the odd ridiculous video on youtube, I think this type of person is a mythical stereotype that is thrown out far more often than is deserved

Agreed, they're just more visible than ever before.

I think it's the nature of humans to be fairly self absorbed when they're constructing an adult life and identity for themselves. Doesn't make them selfish, just busy doing what apparently came easier to previous generations.

brummytom

lawlolawl wrote: »

A generation of perpetually offended snowflakes huddling in their safe spaces for fear of being triggered.

They have zero coping skills, make **** all effort and take any setback at all as a sign that the system doesn't work and everyone is out to get them.

This is what happens when you raise your kids to believe that everyone is somehow special.

Have you ever actually met a 'young person' or just read about them in comments on the Daily Mail site?

Fuzzytrooper

All I know is that the old fairground would have been mine if it wasn't for those pesky kids....

DEFTLEFTHAND

Proud member of Generation Wuss here.