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20 somethings...does their attitude stink?

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It just seems to be something I've recently noticed more and more. Have had to deal with a few and their attitude sucks. They have this arrogance, sense of entitlement that and a shallowness I just don't see in the 30 plus age group. They also seem unable to address anything at any level beyond "having the craic". Of course that's not universal, maybe it's not even common, but I'm finding it more and more. Course, maybe I'm becoming a grumpy old man...

Anyone else think this about that age group and wonder what has happened to that generation?

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Christy42

Peter Anthony wrote: »

I would agree with you that 20 something generation are incredibly shallow, and alot are sheep like following the media and stuff like instagram is so important to some. Very superficial and false

As opposed to which generation?

jimgoose

FTA69 wrote: »

...As a joke goes over here; "bloody kids always complaining, when I was their age all I had was a permanent contract and the ability to buy property in central London!"

Damn straight. When I was 23 I had a permanent, salaried, technician position with shift-allowance with a huge multinational. That time, Dublin was only just starting to wake up. The world was my oyster.

The vast majority of people in their early 20s I encounter are thoughtful, intelligent and hard-working. Of course they like their fun and avoid getting bogged down in overly-heavy stuff, which is completely normal for their age. I don't blame them for being a bit nervous and pissed-off these days, and I have every sympathy with them.

BattleCorp

jimgoose wrote: »

Damn straight. When I was 23 I had a permanent, salaried, technician position with shift-allowance with a huge multinational. That time, Dublin was only just starting to wake up. The world was my oyster.

The vast majority of people in their early 20s I encounter are thoughtful, intelligent and hard-working. Of course they like their fun and avoid getting bogged down in overly-heavy stuff, which is completely normal for their age. I don't blame them for being a bit nervous and pissed-off these days, and I have every sympathy with them.

When I was 23 I hadn't the sense I was born with. I was like Fr. Jack. FECK, ARSE, DRINK, DRINK, DRINK.

Thankfully I got married and she hammered some sense into me.

Irish Guitarist

I turned 40 a few months ago. I now hate anyone aged 39 or under. Anyone that was born after February 1976 is a loser whose only interests are Drake and happy slapping.

seamus

Speedwell wrote: »

That quotation is spurious, unfortunately I can replace it with a better, well-attested one:

"Our sires' age was worse than our grandsires'. We, their sons, are more worthless than they; so in our turn we shall give the world a progeny yet more corrupt." Horace, Book III of Odes, ca. 20 B.C.

I harp on about this quite a lot, but it's a fascinating part of human cultural history that can be blamed for all sorts of ridiculous nonsense that people still get up to.

For quite a long time the accepted wisdom was that humans were getting worse with every passing generation. Largely because as a culture we tend to defer to the wisdom of elders, and elders could plainly see that the next generation were nothing but entitled malcontents.

This yielded two logical conclusions;

1. At some point in the past humans were perfect, or nearly-perfect.

2. At some point in the future humans will be so wretched that they'll effectively cease to exist.

We can see how this fits into the narrative put forward by practically every religion (extinct and otherwise) - man was at some stage close to godliness and experienced some kind of fall from grace. Legends abound of men who walked and talked with the god(s), stood eight feet tall, lived hundreds of years and achieved mighty deeds unattainable by modern people.

And stories of apocalypse/judgement/end of the world. The belief that an end of days will come.

Every generation has its ups and downs, it's own individual difficulties to bear.
For the majority of the western world, every generation since WWII has had it better than their ancestors. While today's twenty-somethings will complain about the apparent hardship that is housing and debt, they take for granted the freedoms of conscience, religion, movement and thought that their own parents didn't have.
Many of today's 20-somethings who claim that the cost of being a student makes life difficult, don't realise that their own parents may not have even gotten a leaving cert and had to scrape their way to a living for the first two decade of their post-school life.

Indeed, with the exception of short-term blips like wars, practically every generation has a better life than their ancestors.

Badly Drunk Boy

Wibbs wrote: »

People have been saying "bloody hell, kids these days" since the Babylonians first applied reeds to soft clay.

"Won't do his cuniform, eh? I'll tell you where I'd like to wedge his cuniform!!"

Lavinia

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyone else think this about that age group and wonder what has happened to that generation?

Growing up in a computer era?
Not sure why but it seems from time to time that this has a negative impact on formation of young people's characters being exposed to all kinds of stuff since way too young for it to process it properly..

Maybe..

lawlolawl

A generation of perpetually offended snowflakes huddling in their safe spaces for fear of being triggered.

They have zero coping skills, make **** all effort and take any setback at all as a sign that the system doesn't work and everyone is out to get them.

This is what happens when you raise your kids to believe that everyone is somehow special.

JustShon

lawlolawl wrote: »

A generation of perpetually offended snowflakes huddling in their safe spaces for fear of being triggered.

They have zero coping skills, make **** all effort and take any setback at all as a sign that the system doesn't work and everyone is out to get them.

This is what happens when you raise your kids to believe that everyone is somehow special.

It's important to keep in mind that we're not all perpetually offended snowflakes. The problem is that those of us who just get on with it are busy getting on with it while the offended snowflakes are on social media with a vlog about how offended they are so you mostly hear from the offended snowflakes.

FizzleSticks

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Outlaw Pete

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c68zapdsm5i1ru

lawlolawl wrote: »

A generation of perpetually offended snowflakes huddling in their safe spaces for fear of being triggered.

They have zero coping skills, make **** all effort and take any setback at all as a sign that the system doesn't work and everyone is out to get them.

This is what happens when you raise your kids to believe that everyone is somehow special.

I agree that some twenty somethings are the victims of this kind of parenting. Idiots who rush out of the house to have a go at any neighbour who dares to ask their kids to keep the noise down; are constantly marching down to the school to object to their child being given out to/not getting a speaking part in the school play; and wouldn't dream of making their children sit down and behave themselves in a restaurant or other public space.

You really can't blame kids who have been brought up like this to think they're the centre of the universe, and to have absolutely no awareness of anyone else.

StupidLikeAFox

lawlolawl wrote: »

A generation of perpetually offended snowflakes huddling in their safe spaces for fear of being triggered.

They have zero coping skills, make **** all effort and take any setback at all as a sign that the system doesn't work and everyone is out to get them.

This is what happens when you raise your kids to believe that everyone is somehow special.

Bar the odd ridiculous video on youtube, I think this type of person is a mythical stereotype that is thrown out far more often than is deserved

Speedwell

Marlee Shrilling Register wrote: »

I agree that some twenty somethings are the victims of this kind of parenting. Idiots who rush out of the house to have a go at any neighbour who dares to ask their kids to keep the noise down; are constantly marching down to the school to object to their child being given out to/not getting a speaking part in the school play; and wouldn't dream of making their children sit down and behave themselves in a restaurant or other public space.

You really can't blame kids who have been brought up like this to think they're the centre of the universe, and to have absolutely no awareness of anyone else.

Yeah, ever heard of "the Me Generation"? Spoiler: Not a 21st century term!

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Speedwell wrote: »

Yeah, ever heard of "the Me Generation"? Spoiler: Not a 21st century term!

I agree it's not exclusive to twenty somethings. But that particular type of parent seems to have become more common in the last couple of decades.

GLaDOS

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Bar the odd ridiculous video on youtube, I think this type of person is a mythical stereotype that is thrown out far more often than is deserved

I genuinely don't think I know anyone in real life who fits that description. See it online all the time sure, but by no means makes it the norm.

[Deleted User]

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Bar the odd ridiculous video on youtube, I think this type of person is a mythical stereotype that is thrown out far more often than is deserved

Agreed, they're just more visible than ever before.

I think it's the nature of humans to be fairly self absorbed when they're constructing an adult life and identity for themselves. Doesn't make them selfish, just busy doing what apparently came easier to previous generations.

brummytom

lawlolawl wrote: »

A generation of perpetually offended snowflakes huddling in their safe spaces for fear of being triggered.

They have zero coping skills, make **** all effort and take any setback at all as a sign that the system doesn't work and everyone is out to get them.

This is what happens when you raise your kids to believe that everyone is somehow special.

Have you ever actually met a 'young person' or just read about them in comments on the Daily Mail site?

Fuzzytrooper

All I know is that the old fairground would have been mine if it wasn't for those pesky kids....

DEFTLEFTHAND

Proud member of Generation Wuss here.

jmayo

Zillah wrote: »

Oh yeah all of that "I'll never have a career" and "I won't pass my exams" and "How can I afford rent" stuff is a fucking breeze isn't it?

Ahh you poor lamb.

You do know people worried about those things long before now.
And people worried about having to emigrate long before the last few years as well.

The one big thing I have noticed is how well off some teenagers and third level students have become over the last 10-15 years.

Many moons ago the only students with cars were the ones whose parents owned a garage and even then it was usually something the auld fellow couldn't find a buyer for.

Getting to college meant long friday/sunday evening trips on Bus Eireann shi*heaps.
Worse still half the bus drivers were fans of MWR and if the old batteries in the walkman were dead then your brain was melted.

Students left in the summer to find jobs not go find themselves or just have the craic.
No fooker I ever knew in school got a holiday for doing their exams.

Some actually got to emigrate straight away to a building site in London.

There are pluses and minuses to all the new technology and the continous connectivity that people in general and students now have.

Back in the day it was harder to figure out who the nice girls down the front were and if they had any boyfriends since there was no facebook, twitter or instagram.
Also you couldn't figure out if they really were not "nice" girls at all.;)

Sometimes I seriously wonder if most social media was invented by and for stalkers.

There was no hooking up online, unless someone meant illegally tapping into the cable running down the side of the student house.

Then again you could go out some night, get manky drunk, make a complete eejit of yourself, fall out onto the street from the Oasis or Warwick in Salthill, and there would be no record of it out there for all eternity for every future partner, employer, judge to see.

You could deny it all and shure claim the ones that were there were just as drunk as yourself.
Could they ever prove it.

PS young folks need to look up such terms as walkmans.
And MWR is Mid West Radio which had one of the worse track listing ever known to anyone with any ear for music.

Riddle101

It seems to be a generation thing to me. Older generations tend to have this feel of superiority over the younger generations, and think that they are better. I remember in 6th year we kept saying how our school was going to go down hill after we left because we were the last good year to leave school. But looking back now I might have been wrong. The school still continued on without us and it's been almost 10 years since I left. I found out later on from my friends who were in a higher year than me, that they felt the same way about us.

I also remember how I looked down on 1st years when I was in 6th year. I thought 1st years were all idiots, and came across as arrogant and immature. But then I remember how the 6th years looked down on me when I was in 1st year, and they probably thought the same things about us. The circle repeats itself.

Eugene Norman

jmayo wrote: »

Ahh you poor lamb.

You do know people worried about those things long before now.
And people worried about having to emigrate long before the last few years as well.

They did but that makes this generation equal, not better off.

The one big thing I have noticed is how well off some teenagers and third level students have become over the last 10-15 years.

Many moons ago the only students with cars were the ones whose parents owned a garage and even then it was usually something the auld fellow couldn't find a buyer for.

Not my experience. Lots of kids had cars when I was college, or access to one. I didn't. I wonder how prevalent that is these days (given the car market fell off a cliff from 2008-2015, not very).

Getting to college meant long friday/sunday evening trips on Bus Eireann shi*heaps.
Worse still half the bus drivers were fans of MWR and if the old batteries in the walkman were dead then your brain was melted.

I'd be frankly surprised if most 3rd level students who live away from home don't still take the bus or train.

Students left in the summer to find jobs not go find themselves or just have the craic.
No fooker I ever knew in school got a holiday for doing their exams.

3rd level students still go abroad to get jobs.

Some actually got to emigrate straight away to a building site in London.

In the last few years that's a pub in London.

There are pluses and minuses to all the new technology and the continous connectivity that people in general and students now have.

Back in the day it was harder to figure out who the nice girls down the front were and if they had any boyfriends since there was no facebook, twitter or instagram.
Also you couldn't figure out if they really were not "nice" girls at all.;)

Sometimes I seriously wonder if most social media was invented by and for stalkers.

There was no hooking up online, unless someone meant illegally tapping into the cable running down the side of the student house.

Then again you could go out some night, get manky drunk, make a complete eejit of yourself, fall out onto the street from the Oasis or Warwick in Salthill, and there would be no record of it out there for all eternity for every future partner, employer, judge to see.

Technology moves on.

PS young folks need to look up such terms as walkmans.
And MWR is Mid West Radio which had one of the worse track listing ever known to anyone with any ear for music.

Taking of the Walkman, I had one as a pre teenager much to the disgust of a gran aunt who was fond of the "in my day", argument like yourself. Except unlike yourself she and her generation had much to complain about. She grew up in a slum house with no electricity and outdoor toiletry. No sure if she had running water.

I could see her point. You don't have much of one.

PandaPoo

Im 24 and I definitely have a 'having the craic, everything will be grand attitude'. Im also very responsible and mature when I need to be, which is rare.

I'm married, own a house and have 2 kids, so that's probably unusual for someone my age. I hate most people my age, or anyone who is immature and childish.

tomwaterford

PandaPoo wrote: »

Im 24 and I definitely have a 'having the craic, everything will be grand attitude'. Im also very responsible and mature when I need to be, which is rare.

I'm married, own a house and have 2 kids, so that's probably unusual for someone my age. I hate most people my age, or anyone who is immature and childish.

It's called the fcuk it attitude :pac:

PandaPoo

tomwaterford wrote: »

It's called the fcuk it attitude :pac:

Yeah that's probably the best way to put it

jimgoose

tomwaterford wrote: »

It's called the fcuk it attitude :pac:

Bugrit! Millennium hand and shrimp!

The Randy Riverbeast

Any time someone says people my age are entitled I usually find mentioning the recession shuts them up. We havent managed to cause an economic collapse with our entitlement so can't be worse than the last crowd.

dr.fuzzenstein

jimgoose wrote: »

Bugrit! Millennium hand and shrimp!

What's that duck doing on your head?

I think OP is not as "hip" and "down with the kids" as the rest of us old fogies.

Herb Powell

lawlolawl wrote: »

A generation of perpetually offended snowflakes huddling in their safe spaces for fear of being triggered.

They have zero coping skills, make **** all effort and take any setback at all as a sign that the system doesn't work and everyone is out to get them.

This is what happens when you raise your kids to believe that everyone is somehow special.

You sound offended. Did this thread trigger you, m8?

PandaPoo wrote: »

Im 24 and I definitely have a 'having the craic, everything will be grand attitude'. Im also very responsible and mature when I need to be, which is rare.

I'm married, own a house and have 2 kids, so that's probably unusual for someone my age. I hate most people my age, or anyone who is immature and childish.

As another twenty-something......how? How the fucck did you manage that?

My attitude stinks because my formerly great attitude has got me nowhere at this point. Just got fired from a job I worked really hard in (for fucck-all), I am broke, in good health at least (I think), but at this point just fucccck it.

Mindless hedonism followed by a quick and painless death is the way forward I'd say. Sure the aul global warming will have us 'atin our children before too long