Too much trash talk against Christianity

psheaser · 16-05-2016 02:07PM

Far left would rather live under sharia law, it's iconic they promote the importing of hordes of backwards islamic barbarians who depise the lefts very beliefs.

Timberrrrrrrr · 16-05-2016 02:07PM

love humanity wrote: »

In that case we must be intolerant of intolerant right wing atheists/ secularists dictating to religious people how to live their lives.

She was a nurse treating extremely sick people but wanted to wear a cross around them. She felt her religious freedom was more important than the health of the people in the hospital

psheaser · 16-05-2016 02:08PM

I wouldn't worry about them OP.

We can make a toast to them whilst they're getting pitch forked in hell.

I pity them to be honest, but each to their own.

Delirium · 16-05-2016 02:09PM

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love humanity · 16-05-2016 02:10PM

Speedwell wrote: »

For real? If you want to live in the world, sweetie, you are going to have to follow the rules of decent functioning society. If you don't want to live in the world, don't let the door hit you in the arse.

A decent functioning society that copies the tyranny of the former soviet union? thanks but no thanks

luftmensch · 16-05-2016 02:10PM

psheaser wrote: »

I wouldn't worry about them OP.

We can make a toast to them whilst they're getting pitch forked in hell.

I pity them to be honest, but each to their own.

You're comfortable with people being tortured in hell? That's pretty twisted imo.

Timberrrrrrrr · 16-05-2016 02:11PM

psheaser wrote: »

I wouldn't worry about them OP.

We can make a toast to them whilst they're getting pitch forked in hell.

I pity them to be honest, but each to their own.

Why would the devil punish sinners when according to Christians sinners are actually the same as him. If anything we will be getting high 5's and cold beers for living our lives to the fullest.

solodeogloria · 16-05-2016 02:12PM

Speedwell wrote: »

For real? If you want to live in the world, sweetie, you are going to have to follow the rules of decent functioning society. If you don't want to live in the world, don't let the door hit you in the arse.

Good afternoon!

Just quoting your post to make a point Speedwell.

What about those of us who are in a rock and a hard place?

I'm a Christian who sees that laws that work on a secular basis are better for keeping order and cohesion in a multifaith society.

I don't think banning people from light conversation about faith with colleagues is the best corporate policy in the world. It usually comes up for me in "How was your weekend?". Being openly Christian is being honest with my colleagues.

However I do agree with not privileging Christians over others in corporate policy and in law.

On the other hand trying to find a secular society to join as a Christian is bloody hard! Most have atheist in the title! Which makes it a lonely place for the Christian secularist.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

Speedwell · 16-05-2016 02:13PM

love humanity wrote: »

A decent functioning society that copies the tyranny of the former soviet union? thanks but no thanks

How ironic, considering the Communist nature of the early Church.

Kiwi in IE · 16-05-2016 02:13PM

I don't really have an issue with personal religious symbols being worn on the whole (crucifixes/headscarves), but on saying that if you are in a job where you are working with children or vulnerable adults, it should not be used as a precursor to a discussion about your religion being fact, in the event that they ask.

Also, the same tolerance would not be shown to the non religious. If a teacher in an Irish primary school wanted to wear a pendant with 'I'm an atheist' or 'There is no God' engraved on it, I doubt it would be tolerated. You may say that it's up to the patron in such a case, so why should it also not be up to a private business owner who is an atheist, to ban crucifixes being on display in their business?

Religious people believe they should be permitted to wear symbols which publicly declare their belief that their God exists, however nobody would bat an eye if an atheist was asked to remove a slogan stating that God doesn't exist, if they chose to wear one in their place of work. There is a constant demand from religious people that they be granted societal privilege on the basis of their religion.

love humanity · 16-05-2016 02:14PM

Speedwell wrote: »

How ironic, considering the Communist nature of the early Church.

which Church are you talking about?

psheaser · 16-05-2016 02:19PM

Would you maniacs rather live under sharia law?

Timberrrrrrrr · 16-05-2016 02:20PM

psheaser wrote: »

Would you maniacs rather live under sharia law?

That's twice you have bought this up, what does it have to do with the discussion at hand?

love humanity · 16-05-2016 02:20PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

I don't really have an issue with personal religious symbols being worn on the whole (crucifixes/headscarves), but on saying that if you are in a job where you are working with children or vulnerable adults, it should not be used as a precursor to a discussion about your religion being fact, in the event that they ask.

Also, the same tolerance would not be shown to the non religious. If a teacher in an Irish primary school wanted to wear a pendant with 'I'm an atheist' or 'There is no God' engraved on it, I doubt it would be tolerated. You may say that it's up to the patron in such a case, so why should it also not be up to a private business owner who is an atheist, to ban crucifixes being on display in their business?

Religious people believe they should be permitted to wear symbols which publicly declare their belief that their God exists, however nobody would bat an eye if an atheist was asked to remove a slogan stating that God doesn't exist, if they chose to wear one in their place of work. There is a constant demand from religious people that they be granted societal privilege on the basis of their religion.

A minority of non religious people generally feel the need to tell religious people what they can and cannot do. That is the problem. I don't demand people wear a cross BUT I will wear one no matter where I go and not you or any employer can demand I don't. That is called freedom.

solodeogloria · 16-05-2016 02:21PM

psheaser wrote: »

Would you maniacs rather live under sharia law?

Good afternoon!

No :rolleyes:

In the same way as I wouldn't want to live under Catholic laws.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

luftmensch · 16-05-2016 02:21PM

psheaser wrote: »

Would you maniacs rather live under sharia law?

No! Secularism.

Timberrrrrrrr · 16-05-2016 02:22PM

love humanity wrote: »

A minority of non religious people generally feel the need to tell religious people what they can and cannot do. That is the problem. I don't demand people wear a cross BUT I will wear one no matter where I go and not you or any employer can demand I don't. That is called freedom.

My house my rules comes into play here, if you are on private property you can be asked to rwmove/cover up religious symbols or you can be asked to leave.

Kiwi in IE · 16-05-2016 02:22PM

psheaser wrote: »

Would you maniacs rather live under sharia law?

What does Sharia law have to do with anything in this discussion? Can we not just work toward an enlightened, tolerant society for all, rather than focusing on maintaining/granting privilege for one religion or another?

Speedwell · 16-05-2016 02:22PM

solodeogloria wrote: »

Good afternoon!

Just quoting your post to make a point Speedwell.

What about those of us who are in a rock and a hard place?

I'm a Christian who sees that laws that work on a secular basis are better for keeping order and cohesion in a multifaith society.

I don't think banning people from light conversation about faith with colleagues is the best corporate policy in the world. It usually comes up for me in "How was your weekend?". Being openly Christian is being honest with my colleagues.

However I do agree with not privileging Christians over others in corporate policy and in law.

On the other hand trying to find a secular society to join as a Christian is bloody hard! Most have atheist in the title! Which makes it a lonely place for the Christian secularist.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

Ugh, I am frustrated today, but I wouldn't be frustrated with you. Peace

I think of you in the same light that I thought of an old boss I had several years ago, a person who was quietly and thoughtfully and uncompromisingly Christian, but who kept his private life and opinions private, and his work life separate. I don't think I found out he was an evangelical homeschooler for four years. He was the person you'd point at if someone asked you, "Who's the most respected person in this department". That is the way religion should be handled at work. Part of the person, but not part of the job.

As for joining a secular society, the problem is that you get the new deconverts with their butts on fire and the old never-were-Christians looking at everyone like "I can't believe you gullible noddlies", the Ayn Rand fanatics and the Communists looking for revolution, the rebels trying on atheism with their black lipstick and the tourists who think atheist girls are easy and the wannabe leaders trying to get everyone's adulation. But there are also people who really care about the kind of questions that religions were designed to answer, and if I could find a society filled with those people, I'd join it. The best part of being a member of the Houston atheist groups, the largest such organization in the US, was that you could always find such people.

love humanity · 16-05-2016 02:23PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

My house my rules comes into play here, if you are on private property you can be asked to rwmove/cover up religious symbols or you can be asked to leave.

That will not be happening : )

Kiwi in IE · 16-05-2016 02:24PM

love humanity wrote: »

A minority of non religious people generally feel the need to tell religious people what they can and cannot do. That is the problem. I don't demand people wear a cross BUT I will wear one no matter where I go and not you or any employer can demand I don't. That is called freedom.

Hahahahaha! As we speak my child is in a class who are probably saying their end of day prayers!

And that is, in a nutshell, probably one of the main reasons why people complain so much about Christianity, and often specifically Catholicism!

Timberrrrrrrr · 16-05-2016 02:25PM

love humanity wrote: »

That will not be happening : )

Never say never

love humanity · 16-05-2016 02:29PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Never say never

It will never happen. This is something you will have to deal with. We will wear our cross with pride and openly everywhere we go. You can accept it or not, but you won't take away our freedoms.

endacl · 16-05-2016 02:31PM

psheaser wrote: »

I wouldn't worry about them OP.

We can make a toast to them whilst they're getting pitch forked in hell.

I pity them to be honest, but each to their own.

Pitch forked? Two or four pronged? Surely the iconography would suggest the trusty trident as the Beelzebubbian weapon of choice?

Do you know what you're talking about at all?

Anyway. To address the OP's points...

( primary school shouldn't have christian based ethos )
No. A state funded primary should not have any faith-based ethos. Religion is a private matter. It should be left to individual conscience and private observance, and not be a matter of policy.

( census discussion about whether you are christian or not )
Similar discussion went on about whether people actually were or weren't Irish speakers. Do you have a problem with that topic? I know several who would have responded that they are gaelgeoirí. They clearly are not. The discussion was around honesty in a process that resides policy and resource distribution. Important information.

( non religious funerals )
Why would you have a problem with that?

( the good friday drinking ban )
*pedantic hat on* It's not a drinking ban. It's a ban on the sale of alcohol.
That aside, it's imposing a rule on everybody based on the beliefs of some. You don't want to drink on good Friday? Fire ahead or not, and not one polite shyte could I give. And I'll thank you to keep your nose out of my liver.

Kiwi in IE · 16-05-2016 02:32PM

love humanity wrote: »

It will never happen. This is something you will have to deal with. We will wear our cross with pride and openly everywhere we go. You can accept it or not, but you won't take away our freedoms.

Great, can we strike a deal then, that you don't try to take away our freedoms by attempting to impose your religion on us via legislation?

endacl · 16-05-2016 02:34PM

love humanity wrote: »

We will wear our cross

How does that work? Do ye not have one each? Is there a roster? What if you were invited round on a day when somebody else was wearing it?

Timberrrrrrrr · 16-05-2016 02:34PM

love humanity wrote: »

It will never happen. This is something you will have to deal with. We will wear our cross with pride and openly everywhere we go. You can accept it or not, but you won't take away our freedoms.

If you want to wear it then go right ahead it does not affect me nor bother me in the slightest, I'm saying that one day (5 years, 20 years, 100 years) in the future it may come to pass that the wearing of religious symbols in work is banned. If that comes to pass then I would be ok with it.

love humanity · 16-05-2016 02:34PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Great, can we strike a deal then, that you don't try to take away our freedoms by attempting to impose your religion on us via legislation?

I am not a Catholic.

endacl · 16-05-2016 02:36PM

love humanity wrote: »

I am not a Catholic.

Me neither. We should get along famously!

Kiwi in IE · 16-05-2016 02:37PM

love humanity wrote: »

I am not a Catholic.

Ah so it's OK for you to tell us what to do because.... your religion! But not OK for us to question or challenge religious societal privilege?

Too much trash talk against Christianity

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