Too much trash talk against Christianity

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Title edited seeing as this discussion isn't limited to just 'trash talk' on boards.ie

Original Title: 'Too much trash talk on boards.ie against Christianity'



Over the past few days i've seen so much debatable talks about Christianity as a whole, and i'm sick of it...

( primary school shouldn't have christian based ethos )
( census discussion about whether you are christian or not )
( non religious funerals )
( the good friday drinking ban )

eeguy

LuckyDude12 wrote: »

Over the past few days i've seen so much debatable talks about Christianity as a whole, and i'm sick of it...

( primary school shouldn't have christian based ethos )
( census discussion about whether you are christian or not )
( non religious funerals )
( the good friday drinking ban )

Maybe you should spend less time on boards?

Lithium93_

It's a message board/discussion forum, were you expecting something else??

EirWatcher

LuckyDude12 wrote: »

Over the past few days i've seen so much debatable talks about Christianity as a whole, and i'm sick of it...

( primary school shouldn't have christian based ethos )
( census discussion about whether you are christian or not )
( non religious funerals )
( the good friday drinking ban )

In fairness, those threads aren't started in the Christianity forum. You can discuss in here if you want a different bias.

Personally I find it interesting that Christianity is so foremost in some people's thoughts that they do start topics on it regularly, even outside the Christianity forum.

pauldla

LuckyDude12 wrote: »

Over the past few days i've seen so much debatable talks about Christianity as a whole, and i'm sick of it...

( primary school shouldn't have christian based ethos )
( census discussion about whether you are christian or not )
( non religious funerals )
( the good friday drinking ban )

OP, why do you consider these topics 'trash talk'? I'd understand your point if you were presenting examples like 'Christianity is a load of old etc etc', but the topics you give seem to me to be well worth discussion. Am I missing something?

jacksie66

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Cabaal

LuckyDude12 wrote: »

Over the past few days i've seen so much debatable talks about Christianity as a whole, and i'm sick of it...

( primary school shouldn't have christian based ethos )
( census discussion about whether you are christian or not )
( non religious funerals )
( the good friday drinking ban )

To be fair Boards.ie would be an awful boring place if everyone agreed, it would be like some sort of weird cult I suppose.

Discussion is extremely important and the issues you've outlined are in no way an attack on christians specifically.

- ( primary school shouldn't have christian based ethos )

Nobody is saying they shouldn't exist, they can exist but just that it is completely wrong to expect tax payer money to be used to run a school that can then discriminate against none Catholics. By all means if you want to have a school that only accepts Christians do so, but don't expect everyone else to fund that school.

Ask yourself this, if your only local school was a non-denominational school and it had some rule that allowed it to legally refuse just Christians and yet you paid for that school with your taxes would you be ok with that? Would you just shut-up and never talk about it?


( census discussion about whether you are christian or not )

- You don't think people should look themselves in the mirror once in awhile and decide if they actually believe in the thing the write in such an important form?

If people do not truly believe something they should not claim they do. For example it would be frankly idiotic for me to claim I'm a Muslim, I believe nothing of the faith. The same can be said for many Catholics, they don't believe in the majority of the catholic core values and beliefs. Personally I think its disrespectful to a belief to claim you are part of that belief when you don't believe in important parts of it such as communion (you are eating Jesus), Mary being a virgin etc in the catholic faith.

( non religious funerals )

How is this an attack on Christians?
Are people not entitled to have none christian funerals now? :eek:
You really must dislike Muslim and Jewish people for having no christian funerals. :pac:

( the good friday drinking ban )

A reasonable discussion to have,
The basis for a ban is purely religious and has no place in a modern secular society. By all means if you don't want to drink don't, but its unfair to push those beliefs on others.

Should we also ban beef, bacon etc on Fridays and only allow Fish?
After all, that used to be a thing when I was growing up that people should only eat fish on Fridays, maybe that should be pushed on everyone?

All in all, the good Friday thing is outright silly.

nilsonmickey

Your complaining about people expressing opinions? If you are sick of it why don't you try not reading it?

kinsy

OP, I'd imagine this will be the tone of much of the nation going forward. People are waking up and questioning that which they don't understand or blindly accept anymore.

What is wrong with people not wanting to be part of the Church or indeed questioning its stronghold? It doesn't mean you can't send your kids to a catholic school, have a catholic funeral etc.
Why would Catholics want non-believers to be forced into living according to their faith? Genuinely interested to hear. I don't want you to stop believing in God!

eviltwin

So people having a different belief is an attack on Christianity now :rolleyes:

solodeogloria

Good morning all!

Welcome to living in a secular country. This is the structure the New Testament envisioned us living in. Christians living in a non-Christian world.

Truth be told I'm excited at the thought of returning to an Ireland where people have long forgotten about the Jesus they learned at school and hear Him afresh and the Gospel afresh as something new.

Chuck the privilege in the bin. Ireland is not a Catholic country in the same way as Britain isn't a Protestant country. I welcome debates over these subjects and for Christians to be graciously living for Jesus.

I'm more than happy to ring the death bells of cultural and political Christendom with the atheists.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

Cabaal

solodeogloria wrote: »

Good morning all!

Welcome to living in a secular country. This is the structure the New Testament envisioned us living in. Christians living in a non-Christian world.

Truth be told I'm excited at the thought of returning to an Ireland where people have long forgotten about the Jesus they learned at school and hear Him afresh and the Gospel afresh as something new.

Chuck the privilege in the bin. Ireland is not a Catholic country in the same way as Britain isn't a Protestant country. I welcome debates over these subjects and for Christians to be graciously living for Jesus.

I'm more than happy to ring the death bells of cultural and political Christendom with the atheists.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

Seriously solodeogloria,
I know this is the second time I've actually said this about you, but for a religious person I find it rather odd I'm agreeing with much of what you're saying.

Spot on about the privilege part too, I think for many years many religious people in Ireland (particularly Catholics) never were questioned so now they find it frightening. They shouldn't, its healthy!

Guy:Incognito

EirWatcher wrote: »

Personally I find it interesting that Christianity is so foremost in some people's thoughts that they do start topics on it regularly, even outside the Christianity forum.

The problem is that religion has such an impact on the daily lives of so many people that want nothing to do with it. Remove it and leave religion in the church where people can choose to go and then those o us that dont have an interest will rarely discuss it. Having it ingrained in society and affecting elements of peoples lives and its going to keep coming up.

galljga1

O.P. I think it is safe to say that you are going to be sick of this thread.

solodeogloria

Cabaal wrote: »

Seriously solodeogloria,
I know this is the second time I've actually said this about you, but for a religious person I find it rather odd I'm agreeing with much of what you're saying.

Spot on about the privilege part too, I think for many years many religious people in Ireland (particularly Catholics) never were questioned so now they find it frightening. They shouldn't, its healthy!

Good morning Cabaal,

As I explained on another thread I remember growing up in Ireland as an Anglican and at points people regarded us as a bit weird as a result. I now live in a country where about 5-7% go to church every Sunday. Of that percentage I'm of an evangelical minority. I go to work with mostly others who follow non-Christian religion. Although most of my friends Christians I've got lots of friends who are Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist and non religious. This is the world I need to engage with it as a Christian. I've seen some of the debates here about religion and it's role in society. I agree with it. Although there's 50% more who say they are Christian despite not going to church I would prefer honesty. I want to live positively as a Christian here so I can make Jesus known to others. I don't need the State to help me either. They still haven't got over that it isn't really a Christian country even when most of the population seem to have.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

Delirium

LuckyDude12 wrote: »

Over the past few days i've seen so much debatable talks about Christianity as a whole, and i'm sick of it...

The don't open the threads :P

( primary school shouldn't have christian based ethos )

In 2016, given the diversity of the Irish population, it hardly seems right that Roman Catholics should get preferential treatment when it comes public schools.

( census discussion about whether you are christian or not )

Given that some Christian groups use the census as justification for preferential treatment for Christians, it's not surprising that some people are calling on more accuracy when people are filling out the census.

( non religious funerals )

Given that a lot of now non-religious people were raised Roman Catholic, it's to be expected they might seek out information about non-religious funerals/weddings.

( the good friday drinking ban )

I generally work Good Friday so it doesn't really affect me but I can see why people would object to being forced to observe a religious day of fasting by the government.

And I don't see how any of the topics you mentioned fall under 'thrash talk'.

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Delirium wrote: »

Given that some Christian groups use the census as justification for preferential treatment for Christians, it's not surprising that some people are calling on more accuracy when people are filling out the census.
.

Can you provide documented evidence and perhaps expand on this?

Delirium

Nola Microscopic Sucker wrote: »

Can you provide documented evidence and perhaps expand on this?

Explain what exactly?

frag420

LuckyDude12 wrote: »

Over the past few days i've seen so much debatable talks about Christianity as a whole, and i'm sick of it...

( primary school shouldn't have christian based ethos )
( census discussion about whether you are christian or not )
( non religious funerals )
( the good friday drinking ban )

Forgive us.....

MrPudding

LuckyDude12 wrote: »

Over the past few days i've seen so much debatable talks about Christianity as a whole, and i'm sick of it...

( primary school shouldn't have christian based ethos )
( census discussion about whether you are christian or not )
( non religious funerals )
( the good friday drinking ban )

Why don't you pray for them to stop? I am sure that would work better than whining about it... no?

MrP

beach_walker

OP there's no point really. The comments you encountered here are indicative of the general attitude both from the users and the mods/admins. "You're scared of the truth," "why don't you pray for it" etc. I knew exactly what would be here before opening.

I suggest leaving these threads/Christianity forum aside and focus on other areas. Boards can be a pretty good resource (like if you're into GAA you can be sure the threads there won't be filled with remarks belittling the games, not a post to be found in Rugby saying how it's sh!te, Windows fan-bois comments won't be tolerated in OSX forum... hmm funny that when you think about it).

And yeah for my own trouble I find myself coming in now and then to these things but I'm a sucker for punishment at times.

Turtwig

"Trash talk" to me anyway is something that happens in Call of Duty Online or League of Legends. Not sure, there's much thrash talk anywhere on boards any more now that the thunderdome is gone.

catbear

I thought christians were above worrying about trash talk, after all their reward is in the next life.

Benny_Cake

I don't see the issue here OP.

With regard to education, the dominance of the Catholic church in terms of school patronage has an impact on the lives of those from minority Christian denominations, non-Christians and atheists/agnostics alike. In fact, quite a few Catholics have acknowledged this, including Archbishop Diarmuid Martin. I think people have every right to discuss this on Boards, provided they do so in the spirit of the charter of wherever the discussion is ongoing.

Good Friday pub closures - my eyes roll back every year when this debate raises it's head. It has no impact on my life as such, but it's difficult to justify continuing with such a ban, and I'd imagine it'll be done away with soon. Again, people should be free to discuss.

The Census - people should fill out the census accurately I would have thought? It usually throws up some interesting debate on religious identification. I don't see the problem.

Non-Christian funerals aren't an issue at all. You can get sent off any way you like in this country, and rightly so.

I agree with what solodeogloria said generally. A "post-Christian" Ireland actually presents a golden opportunity for Christians to re-discover our faith, and to be salt and light in the communities that we live in instead of sitting back and letting the nexus of state and church do everything for us.

EirWatcher

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The problem is that religion has such an impact on the daily lives of so many people that want nothing to do with it. Remove it and leave religion in the church where people can choose to go and then those o us that dont have an interest will rarely discuss it.

Ostensibly so. Others have suggested ignoring it as a solution to the OP, yet themselves reserving the desire to "remove it".

alma73

LuckyDude12 wrote: »

Over the past few days i've seen so much debatable talks about Christianity as a whole, and i'm sick of it...

( primary school shouldn't have christian based ethos )
( census discussion about whether you are christian or not )
( non religious funerals )
( the good friday drinking ban )

Boards.ie is pretty much Atheist from what I gathered. I see there isn't even a Forum for the Largest Religion in Ireland. (those Catholic Rebels of 1916 who said the Rosary daily would be turning in their graves.)

Icepick

pauldla wrote: »

OP, why do you consider these topics 'trash talk'? I'd understand your point if you were presenting examples like 'Christianity is a load of old etc etc', but the topics you give seem to me to be well worth discussion. Am I missing something?

Christianity is a load of old ... is also a valid point

steamengine

Delirium wrote: »

The don't open the threads :P

In 2016, given the diversity of the Irish population, it hardly seems right that Roman Catholics should get preferential treatment when it comes public schools.

That's not the full picture though - preferential treatment for particular denominations only kicks in when there is pressure on school spaces. The same would apply to Protestant schools and other religious schools. If there is undue pressure on school places presently it's because there are generally not enough places to go round in total - not because of any wish to discriminate.

Given that some Christian groups use the census as justification for preferential treatment for Christians, it's not surprising that some people are calling on more accuracy when people are filling out the census.

How do they use the census as justification for preferential treatment ?

Labarbapostiza

Nola Microscopic Sucker wrote: »

Can you provide documented evidence and perhaps expand on this?

Not only are the primary and secondary schools controlled by the Church, but the hospitals and universities too. They actually have a say in appoints in these institutions. It's a class thing, you might be too much of a mud person to know, but if you're the right type, the bishop on the board can help get you a job, just as much as the parish priest can get you a teaching job. The low church is virtually gone, but the high church still exists.

I've been in a position where experiencing a life threatening emergency, the lady at admissions stalled me from getting treatment, because she wouldn't accept 'no religion' as my religion. I wouldn't let her bully me, but that's what she was doing.....it's time for payback. I'm ticking no religion on the census. And before I'm dead, I hope to see some name changes on institutions. St. James to James Connolly, the Mater to Karl Marx Hospital.

I don't know why anyone in this day and age is comfortable letting a parish priest in proximity to primary school children. I mean you might have a belief that's okay, because of your religion, but do you have to put the children of others at such risk.

Benny_Cake

alma73 wrote: »

Boards.ie is pretty much Atheist from what I gathered. I see there isn't even a Forum for the Largest Religion in Ireland. (those Catholic Rebels of 1916 who said the Rosary daily would be turning in their graves.)

I don't know what the men of 1916 would have made of Boards, Reddit or the Web in general. Who cares!?

Christianity is the largest religion in Ireland, and guess where you're posting!

Labarbapostiza

LuckyDude12 wrote: »

Over the past few days i've seen so much debatable talks about Christianity as a whole, and i'm sick of it...

Yeah, well you're sick of it. How sick do you think the rest of us are over your sense of entitlement.

( primary school shouldn't have christian based ethos )

Oh yeah. Christian ethos, makes it sound like if the children weren't indoctrinated with ethics, they'd be out murdering robbing and stealing.

What are these ethics? Priests are fantastic people because they're closer to God for being so holy. God and the priests can see exactly what you're doing at all times. Perpetual virginity is the only desirable state for women, and I know you're only children now, but all the subtle poison in relation to sexuality is going to really screw you up when you're grown. But don't worry, you'll be "normal", because what we say is normal is "normal". And so many of you will be paranoid social and sexual misfits, you'll all fit in together.

( census discussion about whether you are christian or not )

We're just asking people to tell the truth. If you don't go to mass every Sunday, you're not a Catholic. You could be an admirer of Jesus all you like, but if you don't follow the rules, you're not really in the club.

( non religious funerals )

Be the Jaysus. I don't want a religious funeral. That would be the final insult. Having a pedophile con artist saying some hokey and getting paid as they lower me in. Over me dead body, they will.

( the good friday drinking ban )

You're not forced to dance naked round a May pole for the witches sabbaths, though you force the witches not to have a pint on festival of Ester. Jaysus, talk aboush entitled. I'm fine with the good Friday drinking ban. It's a reminder of our past......I'll say that again....It's a reminder of our past...It's also a huge house party drinking day, where we celebrate the present and the future.

Benny_Cake

Labarbapostiza wrote: »

I've been in a position where experiencing a life threatening emergency, the lady at admissions stalled me from getting treatment, because she wouldn't accept 'no religion' as my religion. I wouldn't let her bully me, but that's what she was doing.....it's time for payback. I'm ticking no religion on the census. And before I'm dead, I hope to see some name changes on institutions. St. James to James Connolly, the Mater to Karl Marx Hospital.

I've quite a bit of time for old Marx, but naming a hospital after him doesn't seem to make a lot of sense in an Irish context. The Mater is at least reflective of the people who developed the hospital on the first place. Revenge isn't much of a reason.

Labarbapostiza wrote: »

I don't know why anyone in this day and age is comfortable letting a parish priest in proximity to primary school children. I mean you might have a belief that's okay, because of your religion, but do you have to put the children of others at such risk.

Schools and other institutions are required to have detailed child protection plans in place. My place of worship on a Sunday doesn't have either children or priests, but we still have a child protection officer (an easy gig in the circumstances). At this point, I don't see how children are at any greater risk from a priest than anyone else - probably less, given the sensitivity of priests towards avoiding any situation that could possibly be seen as incriminating. You may have no time for the Catholic church but that doesn't justify slandering an entire category of men solely based on their occupation.

One eyed Jack

Labarbapostiza wrote: »

Yeah, well you're sick of it. How sick do you think the rest of us are over your sense of entitlement.

I think the OP was more an expression of bewilderment than entitlement.

Labarbapostiza wrote: »

Oh yeah. Christian ethos, makes it sound like if the children weren't indoctrinated with ethics, they'd be out murdering robbing and stealing.

Well, it's quite likely they would be if children were not indoctrinated with a system of ethics, morals and values. Are you familiar with the book "Lord of the Flies"? That didn't end well for the children.

Labarbapostiza wrote: »

What are these ethics? Priests are fantastic people because they're closer to God for being so holy. God and the priests can see exactly what you're doing at all times. Perpetual virginity is the only desirable state for women, and I know you're only children now, but all the subtle poison in relation to sexuality is going to really screw you up when you're grown. But don't worry, you'll be "normal", because what we say is normal is "normal". And so many of you will be paranoid social and sexual misfits, you'll all fit in together.

You know, if you're claiming that religion turns people into paranoid social and sexual misfits, it's probably best to demonstrate that without your argument descending to levels that would make a paranoid sexual misfit appear positively reasonable by comparison.

Labarbapostiza wrote: »

We're just asking people to tell the truth. If you don't go to mass every Sunday, you're not a Catholic. You could be an admirer of Jesus all you like, but if you don't follow the rules, you're not really in the club.

Spoken like a true ambo occupier. Is there anything else you'd like to tell people they are while you're up there on that pedestal? Who exactly are you to determine anyone else's personal relationship with either Jesus or God for that matter, or how they choose to identify themselves? You're really not all that different then from the preachy sort you claim to despise.

Labarbapostiza wrote: »

Be the Jaysus. I don't want a religious funeral. That would be the final insult. Having a pedophile con artist saying some hokey and getting paid as they lower me in. Over me dead body, they will.

Whatever about the priest being a pedophile con artist (highly unlikely), the fact that he would be saying some hokey over your dead body is a distinct possibility, given that's the way you suggest yourself it would happen. I'd imagine they may wait till after the ceremony to be paid, seems a bit crass to be talking about money while you're being lowered into the ground.

Labarbapostiza wrote: »

You're not forced to dance naked round a May pole for the witches sabbaths, though you force the witches not to have a pint on festival of Ester. Jaysus, talk aboush entitled. I'm fine with the good Friday drinking ban. It's a reminder of our past......I'll say that again....It's a reminder of our past...It's also a huge house party drinking day, where we celebrate the present and the future.

There's nobody actually prohibiting the witches from having a pint on the festival of Ester. Public houses are closed for the day, that's all. They are perfectly entitled as you suggest to have a huge house party and drink all day if they want to. I might even call round for a few myself if there's going to be naked Maypole dancing. Sounds like quite a party!

Labarbapostiza

Benny_Cake wrote: »

I've quite a bit of time for old Marx, but naming a hospital after him doesn't seem to make a lot of sense in an Irish context. The Mater is at least reflective of the people who developed the hospital on the first place. Revenge isn't much of a reason.

The church were not involved in medicine and hospitals for the goodness of their health. They were used as a source of revenue and power. My grandmother died of TB in the 50s, because the church would not allow the use of antibiotics that could have saved her life. The reason being they made so much money from these TB hospitals. That sounds outrageous and unbelievable, but that is the truth. The institutions for care of children were also cash cows. That is a documented fact.

At this point, I don't see how children are at any greater risk from a priest than anyone else - probably less, given the sensitivity of priests towards avoiding any situation that could possibly be seen as incriminating.

Unfortunately they are still a high risk group. And surprising as it sounds, there have been recent convictions of Catholic priests for recent offences.

You may have no time for the Catholic church but that doesn't justify slandering an entire category of men solely based on their occupation.

It would be slanderous if it were not true, unfortunately it is true. And there are reasons to believe, the institution may have been a factor in itself of conditioning these men into what they became.

Most Irish people are atheists. And the animus is really with the Catholic Church, than it is with Christianity. As the saying went, the Christian brothers lacked Christianity, and the Sisters of Mercy were unmerciful.

It's a fact, many parish priests spend their entire day hanging around primary schools, because there's nowhere else in public they can go. People literally spit at them in the streets. I saw people do it to an old priest living in my parish...I felt bad.....and then he was convicted for historical sexual abuse, and I don't know what to feel.

There are a growing number of evangelicals in Ireland. I don't think they'd be really crazy about having their children receive Catholic indoctrination; the bits that are so close to voodoo, that they are voodoo.

Anyway, these are our vampires....and we're nearly finished, just a few more stakes through a few more black hearts, and it will be done.

This thread prompted me to fill out my census form early; no religion. Next time I'm at deaths door, where every second delay draws me closer, I'm hope very much not to be stalled by a request for a death bed conversion.

eviltwin

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Well, it's quite likely they would be if children were not indoctrinated with a system of ethics, morals and values. Are you familiar with the book "Lord of the Flies"?

It wouldn't be like that at all. Children don't need a religious education to learn how to be decent individuals.

FortySeven

Not enough trash talk for my liking. The sooner we cast these witch doctors from our midst the better.

One eyed Jack

eviltwin wrote: »

It wouldn't be like that at all. Children don't need a religious education to learn how to be decent individuals.

That's absolutely true, but Labarbapostiza's point seems to be that they don't need ethics, which is entirely untrue, otherwise it's quite likely they would be out murdering, robbing and stealing -

Labarbapostiza wrote: »

Oh yeah. Christian ethos, makes it sound like if the children weren't indoctrinated with ethics, they'd be out murdering robbing and stealing.

That's not to mention the the fact that even children with ethics informed by religion are any more likely to turn to murdering, robbing and stealing, than their non-religious counterparts.

alma73

Benny_Cake wrote: »

I don't know what the men of 1916 would have made of Boards, Reddit or the Web in general. Who cares!?

Christianity is the largest religion in Ireland, and guess where you're posting!

Yet would it not be a good gesture to have a forum for like minded people to believe in the same fundamentals of faith?

B_Wayne

alma73 wrote: »

Yet would it not be a good gesture to have a forum for like minded people to believe in the same fundamentals of faith?

People are free to do so in this very forum, however it's not a right to eliminate discussion in the forum. Also, even in Christianity, there's tonnes of differences in terms of beliefs.... Catholics even disagree.... Anyway nonetheless, a forum forum devoid of discussion in memory of those who fought in 1916 is pretty idiotics... I'm doubtful if they'd have even agreed with such a proposition tbh.

Delirium

steamengine wrote: »

That's not the full picture though - preferential treatment for particular denominations only kicks in when there is pressure on school spaces. The same would apply to Protestant schools and other religious schools. If there is undue pressure on school places presently it's because there are generally not enough places to go round in total - not because of any wish to discriminate.

Preferential treatment is system wide pretty much. Something like 92% of primary schools are Catholic. So that's preferntial. Then you have the admissions policy that gives priority to Catholic kids. After that, the school facilitates religious instruction as part of the school term.

How do they use the census as justification for preferential treatment ?

Generally to agrue to maintain the status quo in the schools by citing that the majority is Roman Catholic in census (84% in the last one AFAIK).

steamengine

Delirium wrote: »

Preferential treatment is system wide pretty much. Something like 92% of primary schools are Catholic. So that's preferntial. Then you have the admissions policy that gives priority to Catholic kids. After that, the school facilitates religious instruction as part of the school term.

It's not that out of kilter with the declared 84% Catholic census figure below. The problem seems to be that that non-religious parents and their children don't have access to the same fine tuned set-up regarding their beliefs or, more accurately non-beliefs, as Catholics, Protestants, and others. There is no onus for students from non-religious backgrounds to attend religious instruction in schools. Facilitating is not the same as indoctrination.

Generally to agrue to maintain the status quo in the schools by citing that the majority is Roman Catholic in census (84% in the last one AFAIK).

I don't know if that holds true as the Protestant minority has organised its schools in exactly the same fashion as Catholic majority and therefore the precedent has been well set for other minorities, secular or otherwise to do the same.

uck51js9zml2yt

Delirium wrote: »

Preferential treatment is system wide pretty much. Something like 92% of primary schools are Catholic. So that's preferntial. Then you have the admissions policy that gives priority to Catholic kids. After that, the school facilitates religious instruction as part of the school term.

Even the secular schools have their class time doing world religions...whats your point?

My son is in an RC school, I'm now on the board of management, we're not RC and we have the choice of him being taken out of class class during RE. We saw no need for that action to be taken.

Delirium

Nola Microscopic Sucker wrote: »

Even the secular schools have their class time doing world religions...whats your point?

My son is in an RC school, I'm now on the board of management, we're not RC and we have the choice of him being taken out of class class during RE. We saw no need for that action to be taken.

You're confusing learning about religion and religious instruction (i.e training a person to be Roman Catholic/Protestant etc).

I've no problem with the former happening in schools, but I think the latter is for parents and the church to take of instead of public schools.

El_Duderino 09

Nola Microscopic Sucker wrote:

Even the secular schools have their class time doing world religions...whats your point?

One teaches 'this is what this religion says, and this is what this religion says'

The other teaches 'this is what you believe'.

Be serious. They're not to even similar.

solodeogloria

Good morning all!

alma73 wrote: »

Boards.ie is pretty much Atheist from what I gathered. I see there isn't even a Forum for the Largest Religion in Ireland. (those Catholic Rebels of 1916 who said the Rosary daily would be turning in their graves.)

The largest religion in Ireland is Christianity. The largest denomination as of the 2011 census is Roman Catholicism. The largest weekly observance however is none because most of the former have lapsed.

As for 1916 admittedly I don't have much stock in it. The only Easter rising that matters is the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. Some of the thinking of the rebels was downright blasphemous. Pearse likening himself to Jesus Christ in claiming that he made a blood sacrifice like Jesus for the Irish people. No, he didn't. The only person who died for all people everywhere so that they might have life eternal is Jesus Christ (John 11:26)

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ and His Easter rising from the dead,
solodeogloria

salmocab

solodeogloria wrote: »

Good morning all!


The largest religion in Ireland is Christianity. The largest denomination as of the 2011 census is Roman Catholicism. The largest weekly observance however is none because most of the former have lapsed.

As for 1916 admittedly I don't have much stock in it. The only Easter rising that matters is the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. Some of the thinking of the rebels was downright blasphemous. Pearse likening himself to Jesus Christ in claiming that he made a blood sacrifice like Jesus for the Irish people. No, he didn't. The only person who died for all people everywhere so that they might have life eternal is Jesus Christ (John 11:26)

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ and His Easter rising from the dead,
solodeogloria

well to be fair the only Easter rising that matters to you is jesus from the dead. Plenty of people only care about the one in 1916.
Blasphemy is surely in the eyes of the individual and not for others to judge I would think.

solodeogloria

salmocab wrote: »

solodeogloria wrote: »

Good morning all!


The largest religion in Ireland is Christianity. The largest denomination as of the 2011 census is Roman Catholicism. The largest weekly observance however is none because most of the former have lapsed.

As for 1916 admittedly I don't have much stock in it. The only Easter rising that matters is the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. Some of the thinking of the rebels was downright blasphemous. Pearse likening himself to Jesus Christ in claiming that he made a blood sacrifice like Jesus for the Irish people. No, he didn't. The only person who died for all people everywhere so that they might have life eternal is Jesus Christ (John 11:26)

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ and His Easter rising from the dead,
solodeogloria

well to be fair the only Easter rising that matters to you is jesus from the dead. Plenty of people only care about the one in 1916.
Blasphemy is surely in the eyes of the individual and not for others to judge I would think.

Good morning!

I agree with you. My post is strongly worded and intentionally so. Blasphemy however isn't a matter of opinion. If someone likens his death to Jesus' sacrifice that is problematic. I'm sure on a secular level one can find hope in 1916 and I welcome them to do so but there was nothing Christian about this event.

If I may continue to be inflammatory - patriotism or nationalism is a cancer to the Christian. I could have been born in Botswana if my God ordained it. Also nations rise and fall by God's will. He dashed a global superpower into pieces (Egypt) and He could do the same to Ireland. Another reason it is a cancer is because it undermines the true source of our hope in Jesus. Did you not know that all Christians are a royal priesthood and a holy nation in Jesus? (1 Peter 2:5) If so I should long that people think of me as the Christian guy rather than the Irish one.

Ever think that Christianity might be more radical than what you think? I'm glad to be called a radical or a fundamentalist for the right reasons.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ and His radical Gospel,
solodeogloria

NS77

steamengine wrote: »

It's not that out of kilter with the declared 84% Catholic census figure below. The problem seems to be that that non-religious parents and their children don't have access to the same fine tuned set-up regarding their beliefs or, more accurately non-beliefs, as Catholics, Protestants, and others. There is no onus for students from non-religious backgrounds to attend religious instruction in schools. Facilitating is not the same as indoctrination.




I don't know if that holds true as the Protestant minority has organised its schools in exactly the same fashion as Catholic majority and therefore the precedent has been well set for other minorities, secular or otherwise to do the same.

You see, this is the attitude that gets non-religious and minority religious people's backs up. Education is a State service. We don't have Catholic libraries, where non-Catholics are allowed in - if there's room.

El_Duderino 09

solodeogloria wrote:

I agree with you. My post is strongly wordedjtnd intentionally so. Blasphemy however isn't a matter of opinion. If someone likens his death to Jesus' sacrifice that is problematic. I'm sure on a secular level one can find hope in 1916 and I welcome them to do so but there was nothing Christian about this event.

The 1916 rising piggy backed on the symbolism of the Jesus story. Blood sacrifice of the one to pave the way for a broader rising of the movement.

Given that the Jesus story piggy backs on the older tradition of celebrating death and rebirth of nature at this time of year. It's a bit rich to draw a line under the Jesus story and say that nobody else can use the symbolism.

Christians are entitled to borrow the symbolism of death and rebirth, but you can't take it home with you.

salmocab

solodeogloria wrote: »

Good morning!

I agree with you. My post is strongly worded and intentionally so. Blasphemy however isn't a matter of opinion. If someone likens his death to Jesus' sacrifice that is problematic. I'm sure on a secular level one can find hope in 1916 and I welcome them to do so but there was nothing Christian about this event.

Well it surely is a matter of opinion, world religions seem to agree on very little so I doubt that they have both agreed on this and gotten approval from their gods. Everything in religion is opinion as without proof everything is conjecture.
I never claimed there was anything Christian about 1916.

Speedwell

Hi folks, I'm an atheist.

(waves to solodeogloria) Hey dude

I was a mod in an atheist chatroom for ten years. Some of you have probably met me there and didn't know it. I'm semi-retired now (heh) and the lot of you over in the A/A section seem to have things pretty well wrapped up. I don't post there much.

Right now, I'm kind of trying to make sense of my Christian past, and I'm trying to understand Christianity better, so I can deal with the legitimate thoughts and feelings of people I know and meet who identify as religious. It seems to me that the prevailing prejudice among Christians is that atheists are either willfully ignorant for hateful or self-indulgent reasons or else "banished into the outer darkness" by the actions of others, and among atheists that Christians are either, and I use the word advisedly, retarded, or else plain liars for personal gain. Well, I wasn't any less intelligent than I am now when I was a Christian, and I wasn't a liar. (Maybe if I had been either one I would have been better able to fit in, instead of being a hard questioner who insisted on real answers.)

I know there are many Christians who are raising sincere issues that atheists cannot dismiss with glib one-liners from the old tiger Hitchens et al. The Christianity forum is where they raise them. That's pretty much why I am posting here. I am pretty much past the point where I get any entertainment out of going to war against the fact that Christianity exists; I prefer to leave that to the young people and newer deconverts. My focus right now is more on religion as a whole, why it exists, what people get out of it, what it does to people, how it has developed and evolved over time, why it survives in an age of rationality. If boards.ie was in a predominantly Buddhist country, for example, and I was an ex-Buddhist, then I suppose I'd be saying similar things from the point of view of an ex-Buddhist in a Buddhist context.

But anyway. This is the Christianity forum. That over there is the atheism/agnosticism forum. They exist within a larger forum. In the A/A forum, it makes a certain amount of sense to deride people who are bearbaiting atheists, and less sense to attack people who are trying to understand the atheist point of view. In the larger context, we can speak just as if we were at the pub about issues that affect everyone (and if the conversation appears to have a certain slant, it's simply a barometer of the majority view). I think it's just plain good manners for me to respect respectable Christians in any forum, and to exercise a little more caution in their own forum.

If God has a problem with anything we say here, I suppose he can exercise the option to clearly indicate his opinion, just the same as the rest of us. If such a being exists, I would expect him to be happy to be invited to a sincere discussion. The question of how he can communicate to us convincingly as God is literally a topic for another thread.