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pedigree 6 · 14-05-2016 12:08PM

rangler1 wrote: »

They must have ........did you ever try to compete with them to rent land

Yes i'm competing with tillage and dairy farmers down here giving stupid money for land and then wondering why they have no money and some going broke.

Farmer Ed · 14-05-2016 12:13PM

freedominacup wrote: »

Tbh ed I remember at the time we couldn't believe the filip our sfp got from the dairy payment. Ours wouldn't have been bad anyway but the dairy payment bumped it by close to 40%. This would say on a per ha basis the dairy payment is around 60% of a beef or tillage one. Beef was the biggie. If your sr was anyway high you were hitting for €300/acre under male cattle.

Different times

pedigree 6 · 14-05-2016 12:14PM

Waffletraktor wrote: »

What's the term, everyone else is just having a tough time but dairy is in crisis. Musha. Who owes you a living?

No one. And no one owes you a living either remember that.
It's not my fault if farmers go to agm's and start marching.
That's their business and the tillage farmers should be as well and I would support them as well.

Farmer Ed · 14-05-2016 12:29PM

mf240 wrote: »

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Think that's a bit below the belt to be fair.

Normally I would agree with you
But some people don't wear belts

Buford T. Justice XIX · 14-05-2016 12:52PM

Someone should open a Milk Price thread somewhere.....

kevthegaff · 14-05-2016 01:18PM

Word on 1-2 cent drop for arrabawn, any word jerry or is it bull

kevthegaff · 14-05-2016 01:20PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

I took over the farm in 2010. Own 40 acres and rent another 50.
When I took over I got 30,000 gallons of quota transferred in my name.
I also got the sfp transferred as well 4400 euro.
We were milking in a 4 unit bucket plant with tie up chains and in 2005 got a pipeline in.
When I took over I immediately started work on a new milking parlour.
I put up a four span shed and bought an eight unit secondhand parlour off the buy and sell in meath. I did all the concrete work myself with the help of a neighbour and then I help him back.
I bought a milk tank as well off the buy and sell as well in meath as well.
I drained 4 acres of boggy land as cheaper than buying and able to graze with cows.
I put in roadways using a contractor being able to dig and get filling on the farm.
I reseeded about 15% of the land every year and am still doing it.
I built another shed for cow housing for the winter and 2 years ago put in slurry storage for 70 cows with a tank and slats.
Then when 44,000 of milk quota was being given to new entrants I applied but was refused. I didn't want 44 just enough to bring me up to 44.
I contacted the IFA and talked to Catherine lascurettes and was told no hope only way I could have got it was if my father sold it before I took over and I applied myself. Contacted everyone no luck.

I was always supplying over the quota but because I was so small I never got hit with a superlevy so I kept improving the place and trying to make things easier and get the farm setup.
Last year then with the country over quota Glanbia for the first time hit the smaller farmers and I was hit with a superlevy of 26,000 in the last year of quotas.

Now we hear here how I should have bought entitlements with What?
People will also say I should have bought quota again with What?

There's a lot of preconceived notions of dairy farmers rolling in money and big v's small farmers and how quotas protected small farmers.
Maybe it might have protected me if I had enough of it to start with but it didn't stop the disaster of 2009.

I am happier atm farming wise and have doubled what I was producing before.
Could I have done this under quotas no if quotas were still here I would not be farming. So I can't see how it protected the small farmer. Held him back that's all.

+1 very similar to myself in terms of quota and steady frugal investment but still not made up!

rangler1 · 14-05-2016 01:22PM

mf240 wrote: »

Your hardly the type to rent land. You seem to be more for the cushy life with a few sheep and draw you payments.

Starting to think you might be right.

Used to be into that madness, used to sow a good bit of corn, had my own combine, corn drill etc.......lunacy.
used to rent grass and sow corn at home

freedominacup · 14-05-2016 01:27PM

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Different times

How do you mean?

Water John · 14-05-2016 01:28PM

Yes, different people are at diff phases in life and farming.
Those there with years and an eye on the ball set themselves up. Those coming later to farming are at a serious disadvantage simply due to the accident of timing.

Some of you, in the circumstances chose to produce over quota milk. Lets be honest, the processors cheerleadered it. But sadly, the bill is with the farmer.

Farmer Ed · 14-05-2016 01:39PM

Water John wrote: »

Yes, different people are at diff phases in life and farming.
Those there with years and an eye on the ball set themselves up. Those coming later to farming are at a serious disadvantage simply due to the accident of timing.

Some of you, in the circumstances chose to produce over quota milk. Lets be honest, the processors cheerleadered it. But sadly, the bill is with the farmer.

Exactly judge no one until first you wear his shoes.. Easy to be smug.

Farmer Ed · 14-05-2016 01:54PM

freedominacup wrote: »

How do you mean?

Let's be honest there was a great living to be made from milk for anyone with a decent quota right about the time the idea of SFP was introduced. Am I right in saying in the late eighths milk was making the equivalent of 30 cent per litre.. If that price had kept pace with inflation. What price would we be looking at today?

greysides · 14-05-2016 02:03PM

wats the craic wrote: »

who ranger 1 and his ifa cronnies

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Best thing to bail a man out is sell land to the Nra

Let's keep this on track please!

rangler1 · 14-05-2016 02:09PM

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Let's be honest there was a great living to be made from milk for anyone with a decent quota right about the time the idea of SFP was introduced. Am I right in saying in the late eighths milk was making the equivalent of 30 cent per litre.. If that price had kept pace with inflation. What price would we be looking at today?

You could buy land at £1000/acre or 1200 gal cow would gross more than the price of an acre of land and no one was allowed to get into dairying.......they expanded into everything with their new wealth.....some joke.
A dairy writer in the indo decide to get into sheep.!!!!!!!!!!

Waffletraktor · 14-05-2016 02:18PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

No one. And no one owes you a living either remember that.
It's not my fault if farmers go to agm's and start marching.
That's their business and the tillage farmers should be as well and I would support them as well.

I'm very much aware, but we're unlike 99% of farms as all owned and big boss had money to pump in to turn farm from a shambles to on road to where should have been.
Iirc originally from not far from you, a little west along blackstairs. My uncle's small tillage farm is a hobby now and not much hope of ever expanding due to empire builders and as many farmer Bob's wanting to splash cash ruining it for everyone as their own calculator is broken.

keep going · 14-05-2016 02:43PM

kowtow wrote: »

If you had a decent open auction I don't see why Larry would succeed where the corner brothers failed.

as i have said before milk processing in ireland is high capital-low margin business not the type of business that attracts alot of investers so what you will get instead of coops is multinationals with deep pockets probaly protecting margin elsewhere in their business or "hard men"business men who can live within the margins.dont expect innovating companies rocking up with technoligy anxsious to share the fruits of it with paddy the farmer.in my view we have alot of the building blocks in place but we need to clear out the staleness that 30 years of quota have left behind.glanbia often gets hammered here but but the success it enjoyed abroad like its venture into cheese in america shows we are not far away from the front if we want to be.this dip in milk price was expected and will be a feature of the future especially in a country as export dependant as we are

Water John · 14-05-2016 03:00PM

Some processors used the quota time to up their game in products and others on the global stage.
Problem is these ones are now moving away from concerns for their base, the Irish dairy farmer. Note Glanbia and Kerry milk price.

This is not unique, utilites with sure business and low margins using that as a launching pad.

Farmer Ed · 14-05-2016 03:11PM

New Zealand dairy cow numbers drop for the first time in 9 years @agrilandIreland http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/new-zealand-dairy-cow-numbers-drop-for-the-first-time-in-9-years/

Finally some Glimmer of hope

kowtow · 14-05-2016 05:01PM

rangler1 wrote: »

They must have ........did you ever try to compete with them to rent land

Overpaying for land is unlikely to be the result of having two heads, rather not having learned to use the one you were born with.

kowtow · 14-05-2016 05:04PM

keep going wrote: »

as i have said before milk processing in ireland is high capital-low margin business not the type of business that attracts alot of investers so what you will get instead of coops is multinationals with deep pockets probaly protecting margin elsewhere in their business or "hard men"business men who can live within the margins.dont expect innovating companies rocking up with technoligy anxsious to share the fruits of it with paddy the farmer.in my view we have alot of the building blocks in place but we need to clear out the staleness that 30 years of quota have left behind.glanbia often gets hammered here but but the success it enjoyed abroad like its venture into cheese in america shows we are not far away from the front if we want to be.this dip in milk price was expected and will be a feature of the future especially in a country as export dependant as we are

I think that's fair comment on Glanbia in terms of it's corporate performance - and innovation.

But it reads more like the words of a contented shareholder than a supplying dairy farmer, and where Glanbia is concerned those are two different things.

freedominacup · 14-05-2016 06:51PM

kowtow wrote: »

I think that's fair comment on Glanbia in terms of it's corporate performance - and innovation.

But it reads more like the words of a contented shareholder than a supplying dairy farmer, and where Glanbia is concerned those are two different things.

It's a kind of Stockholm syndrome kt.

keep going · 14-05-2016 07:11PM

kowtow wrote: »

I think that's fair comment on Glanbia in terms of it's corporate performance - and innovation.

But it reads more like the words of a contented shareholder than a supplying dairy farmer, and where Glanbia is concerned those are two different things.

Youre probably right,16 years observing on the inside kind of does bring home the realities.time for a change me thinks, new blood

keep going · 14-05-2016 07:23PM

kowtow wrote: »

I think that's fair comment on Glanbia in terms of it's corporate performance - and innovation.

But it reads more like the words of a contented shareholder than a supplying dairy farmer, and where Glanbia is concerned those are two different things.

Youre probably right,16 years observing on the inside kind of does bring home the realities.time for a change me thinks, new blood

patsy_mccabe · 14-05-2016 09:48PM

This has to be the most sureal thread on farming/boards . It's like everyone is on drugs or something. Like that film about those 2 guys stoned in Vegas, Fear And Loathing in Los Vegas, that's the one...,,,,.staring kowtow and Dawggone..

Milked out · 14-05-2016 09:51PM

Fear and loathing in munster. ....

kevthegaff · 14-05-2016 09:54PM

It's interesting even tho off the walls and off topic, super cycles, Tommy guns, board members hair colouring!

keep going · 14-05-2016 10:28PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

It's interesting even tho off the walls and off topic, super cycles, Tommy guns, board members hair colouring!

Ah what ever about anything else the knowledge that one of the dg board dyed his hair was a very important contribution and has forced me to look again at other board members to expose this scandalous behaviour which shows total disregard for farmer shareholders.it casts me in a poor light on my contributions on the dairy industry here when I should have been using my insider position to expose these cretins who dye theif hair

Farmer Ed · 14-05-2016 10:33PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

It's interesting even tho off the walls and off topic, super cycles, Tommy guns, board members hair colouring!

Hey we are not allowed discuss board members hair colouring. Unless we can quantify the cost of it in cent per litre. In fairness the Tommy gun was a bit of an exaggeration. But I suppose we should be allowed to dream.

Panch18 · 14-05-2016 11:48PM

keep going wrote: »

Youre probably right,16 years observing on the inside kind of does bring home the realities.time for a change me thinks, new blood

if this "new blood" is anything like some of the absolute ****e that's being spouted in this thread then God help us

Keep the good posts coming, although it seems most are more interested in pie in the sky ideas rather than realities

Farmer Ed · 15-05-2016 06:33AM

I'm sure it will look great regardless. If we want to make ourselvrs even more beautiful than we already are. Probably the most affordable beauty treatment at the moment would be a milk bath.

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