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  • #7532
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    Cheap grain and oil possibly having the biggest influence on it so relevant all the same


  • #7533
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    Milked out wrote: »
    Cheap grain and oil possibly having the biggest influence on it so relevant all the same

    Fair enough but I didn't see anywhere in boards rules that a PhD in large scale grain production is needed before you ate allowed have an opinion. Most of the grain talk is hypothetical. Like what if? Who knows for sure how things may pan out


  • #7534
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,795 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Milked out wrote: »
    Cheap grain and oil possibly having the biggest influence on it so relevant all the same
    fuel is going up slowly


  • #7535
    ozil10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭ozil10


    Wonder will there be a big uptake for the latest Glanbia milk scheme, closing date the 13th of May i see.
    Strange why the milk volume is doubled for the second term from july 2 2017 to dec 2018


  • #7536
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    ozil10 wrote: »
    Wonder will there be a big uptake for the latest Glanbia milk scheme, closing date the 13th of May i see.
    Strange why the milk volume is doubled for the second term from july 2 2017 to dec 2018
    Maybe it's based on feed/fert bought not sure


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  • #7537
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    ozil10 wrote: »
    Wonder will there be a big uptake for the latest Glanbia milk scheme, closing date the 13th of May i see.
    Strange why the milk volume is doubled for the second term from july 2 2017 to dec 2018

    With milk price on the floor atm. Yea there will be a big uptake.
    Milk volume is doubled for the second term as maybe price might be better then who knows?
    It's up to everyone to decide for themselves.
    It will be allocated on a % of what milk you supplied in 2015.

    Actually the way IFA is talking now everyone could be supplying Glanbia in 2018.:D


  • #7538
    bogman_bass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,158 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    whelan2 wrote: »
    fuel is going up slowly

    Faster than it went down:rolleyes:


  • #7539
    alps
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,286 ✭✭✭alps


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    With milk price on the floor atm. Yea there will be a big uptake.
    Milk volume is doubled for the second term as maybe price might be better then who knows?
    It's up to everyone to decide for themselves.
    It will be allocated on a % of what milk you supplied in 2015.

    Actually the way IFA is talking now everyone could be supplying Glanbia in 2018.:D

    Why? What did IFA say? Who?


  • #7540
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    alps wrote: »
    Why? What did IFA say? Who?

    Ha.:D
    Ah no read the IFJ tomorrow.
    We're going to have one big super processor.
    Efficiency and it'll deliver a better milk price.;)


  • #7541
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,259 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Ah Gawd, we are not going to be fed that ould yarn again.

    Could see that being set up by the headlines on pay last week.

    Lets chase around the hen house again from fear we would really tackle the issue. One crowd making milk powder instead of 5 or 6, solves a lot!!!


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  • #7542
    alps
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,286 ✭✭✭alps


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    Ha.:D
    Ah no read the IFJ tomorrow.
    We're going to have one big super processor.
    Efficiency and it'll deliver a better milk price.;)

    Can't see anything on it...just a spiffing about how the Americans hedge....you sure somethings up?


  • #7543
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    I was told months ago they were having an affair. A lot of you wouldnt believe me at the time. The question now for Glanbia shareholders should they be officially asked for their hand in marriage. Is this really true love. Or is one party marrying out of despairation? The wedding vows should probably something along the line of. Let us join together to pay the lowest milk price as long as we both shall live.


  • #7544
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    Bass Reeves wrote:
    Within 24 hours we could deliver fresh milk to 50%+ of the UK and 36 hours we can deliver it into 40% of France. Yes we have not even attempted it. There is no mountain lamb brands instead we try to sell a generic spring lamb product that is discounted from early to mid summer every year. There is no pasture beef or milk brand which we could develop with set criteria. Niche markets will only take a small percentage of our produce. However generally what happens is that when a market is developed (eg AA beef) processors take over and make it a generic wholesale product. Instead of paying a premium price they only pay a small premium over there normal base. Our biggest issue is we have a small local consumer base and because of this we cannot develop farmers markets.

    Agree absolutely.

    I wonder if we should forget about the sea around us and start thinking like Vermont or Wisconsin rather than pretending we are New Zealand.

    Certainly our local market is small and frankly not very demanding. There's a reason Harvey Norman never bothered with a branch in Knightsbridge.

    But we have markets our doorsteps if we only had the confidence to be ourselves in them.. French dairy farmers don't blockade Stilton and the English never complain about brie.

    Why do we let the processors turn our niche products into mediocre stuff? Is it laziness or an unhealthy regard for men in suits? Or is it because we don't care.

    Maybe we should start by eating or drinking our own produce, Make yoghurt, make cottage cheese, if we remind ourselves how good our produce is we might be more careful how it is sold.

    When we invested in companies we used to always look for evidence that they were using what they built... what we called "eating their own dogfood".

    Seems odd that so few farmers do it now.


  • #7545
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,795 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    Ha.:D
    Ah no read the IFJ tomorrow.
    We're going to have one big super processor.
    Efficiency and it'll deliver a better milk price.;)

    Wouldn't rate Glanbia as being the most efficient by a long shot. Too much money going to the wrong people and people too comfortable in their positions to make any difference


  • #7546
    keep going
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭keep going


    ozil10 wrote: »
    Wonder will there be a big uptake for the latest Glanbia milk scheme, closing date the 13th of May i see.
    Strange why the milk volume is doubled for the second term from july 2 2017 to dec 2018

    What price is on offer qand for how long


  • #7547
    ozil10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭ozil10


    keep going wrote: »
    What price is on offer qand for how long
    29 cent plus top up If you are member of Glanbia coop society and runs from April 2016 to Dec 2018 ( 2 years 9 months) but the milk volume you applied for will be doubled from July 2017 to Dec 2018
    Correct me if I'm wrong on any point


  • #7548
    20silkcut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,739 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Bass Reeves wrote: »
    If we look at the last 40 years of Irish agriculture processing there are only a few really good food brands. Kerrygold butter is often the most quoted another is cream Bailey's Cream liquer and a few spins off of it. We have failed to brand our lamb and beef.

    Within 24 hours we could deliver fresh milk to 50%+ of the UK and 36 hours we can deliver it into 40% of France. Yes we have not even attempted it. There is no mountain lamb brands instead we try to sell a generic spring lamb product that is discounted from early to mid summer every year. There is no pasture beef or milk brand which we could develop with set criteria. Niche markets will only take a small percentage of our produce. However generally what happens is that when a market is developed (eg AA beef) processors take over and make it a generic wholesale product. Instead of paying a premium price they only pay a small premium over there normal base. Our biggest issue is we have a small local consumer base and because of this we cannot develop farmers markets.

    I am not sure that Eastern Europe will become the agri powerhouse that some imagine. there is still a lot of political instability. While labour costs are low and mechanization will remove some of these cost as production rises so will there costs. They will have to start increasing the use of fertlizers, chemicals and the added cost of storing produce. In no time scale will be the only advantage they have left.


    Maybe John Moran is right and we need another huge urban conurbation to give us local consumers and a local market.


  • #7549
    20silkcut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,739 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    kowtow wrote: »
    Agree absolutely.

    I wonder if we should forget about the sea around us and start thinking like Vermont or Wisconsin rather than pretending we are New Zealand.

    Certainly our local market is small and frankly not very demanding. There's a reason Harvey Norman never bothered with a branch in Knightsbridge.

    But we have markets our doorsteps if we only had the confidence to be ourselves in them.. French dairy farmers don't blockade Stilton and the English never complain about brie.

    Why do we let the processors turn our niche products into mediocre stuff? Is it laziness or an unhealthy regard for men in suits? Or is it because we don't care.

    Maybe we should start by eating or drinking our own produce, Make yoghurt, make cottage cheese, if we remind ourselves how good our produce is we might be more careful how it is sold.

    When we invested in companies we used to always look for evidence that they were using what they built... what we called "eating their own dogfood".

    Seems odd that so few farmers do it now.


    I often think farmers are too focused on production and its means and being cheaper and more efficient. In fairness all the videos and various publications from the likes of the IFJ and teagasc etc are solely focused on that.
    There is zero emphasis on marketing of or production of high value niche products.
    In fairness with the recent expansion and higher cow numbers farmers have absolutely no time to do anything else only milk cows let alone explore new product ranges and niche markets.


  • #7550
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    ozil10 wrote: »
    29 cent plus top up If you are member of Glanbia coop society and runs from April 2016 to Dec 2018 ( 2 years 9 months) but the milk volume you applied for will be doubled from July 2017 to Dec 2018
    Correct me if I'm wrong on any point

    if milk price is not averaging above 29 c from July 2017 to July 2018. This crisis is even worse than we think.
    This sounds like old Mr Breenan on speed. You'd be eating tomorrow's bread today.

    Will surely make.the milk. Price league very interesting. They'll be so many swings, roundabouts, smoke and mirrors., how on God's earth will they ever be able to compare milk price Again?


  • #7551
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    alps wrote: »
    Can't see anything on it...just a spiffing about how the Americans hedge....you sure somethings up?
    Mairead lavery was on newstalk yesterday talking about how board members cost 4euro per cow in nz, 6 in Holland and I think 12 here.
    She said there's too many boards and processors in this country and something needs to be done. It's costing the farmer too much. She said more to follow in the paper today.


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  • #7552
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    Mairead lavery was on newstalk yesterday talking about how board members cost 4euro per cow in nz, 6 in Holland and I think 12 here.
    She said there's too many boards and processors in this country and something needs to be done. It's costing the farmer too much. She said more to follow in the paper today.

    Ah you can just expect a "when I grow up I want to be like Nz article so"

    Maybe a few quangos should be scrapped first.


  • #7553
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,795 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    Mairead lavery was on newstalk yesterday talking about how board members cost 4euro per cow in nz, 6 in Holland and I think 12 here.
    She said there's too many boards and processors in this country and something needs to be done. It's costing the farmer too much. She said more to follow in the paper today.
    Have the journal here, Glanbia board members get 85,000. Corbally got 188k in 2015. The 2 vice chairs Keane and Murphy get some thing in between-big fecking difference between 85 and 188k- last year Herlihy got 105k. The 2 vice chairs got half that 52.5k. The other 11 board members getting 35k.


  • #7554
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Wouldn't rate Glanbia as being the most efficient by a long shot. Too much money going to the wrong people and people too comfortable in their positions to make any difference
    They run a tight ship. If you talk to anyone lower down they'll tell you how tough they are. It's management and board members that get the big bucks. They do make the most money of any processor in this country using their scale and suppliers.
    I said it before if you are getting well paid on the board you're not going to bite the hand that feeds you.


  • #7555
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,128 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    Mairead lavery was on newstalk yesterday talking about how board members cost 4euro per cow in nz, 6 in Holland and I think 12 here.
    She said there's too many boards and processors in this country and something needs to be done. It's costing the farmer too much. She said more to follow in the paper today.

    The only thing that will happen if certain processors joined up is the likes of talbot/bergin and co will double/treble their wages and as sure as night follows day the boards will too..
    When we look at what higher public servants, and what the likes of pat Smith was pocketing from the ifa theirs ridiculous wage packets been payed out to the men in suits and it's endemic, but the crush point is probably not 1% of these guys are worth/contribute to the business what they are being paid


  • #7556
    visatorro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,855 ✭✭✭visatorro


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    Mairead lavery was on newstalk yesterday talking about how board members cost 4euro per cow in nz, 6 in Holland and I think 12 here.
    She said there's too many boards and processors in this country and something needs to be done. It's costing the farmer too much. She said more to follow in the paper today.

    I thought she said 25 euro a cow here even though holland and NZ fire out far more milk. That's paddy land for you. Not giving out about the farming slot you mentioned but I remember her last year marking the end of quotas and how dairy farmers were going to clean up. Referencing 'white gold ' a few times. You know the way if people here something on the radio it must be true


  • #7557
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    visatorro wrote: »
    I thought she said 25 euro a cow here even though holland and NZ fire out far more milk. That's paddy land for you. Not giving out about the farming slot you mentioned but I remember her last year marking the end of quotas and how dairy farmers were going to clean up. Referencing 'white gold ' a few times. You know the way if people here something on the radio it must be true

    Mayne a detailed study as to why the largest co ops always seem to be the ones paying the poorest price for milk, might be an interesting article.


  • #7558
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    jaymla627 wrote:
    Could crypto be at play to happened us before where I had calves get both and it usually ment death within 24 hours.... Got a bad outbreak of rota in march lost no calves but had to live with them for a week, put all calves on once a day feeding and feed electrolytes as evening feeds to everything even if no clinical signs on top of bad cases getting effdrayl during the day ..... Since then all calves stay on vaccinated milk for 7 weeks, with fully vaccinated milk feed for 3 weeks and then a litre mixed in with powder from then on, and have had no cases since, could myco-plasma be a issue worked on a farm that suffered serious losses in young calves with it, but it was hitting newborn calves

    jaymla627 wrote:
    The only thing that will happen if certain processors joined up is the likes of talbot/bergin and co will double/treble their wages and as sure as night follows day the boards will too.. When we look at what higher public servants, and what the likes of pat Smith was pocketing from the ifa theirs ridiculous wage packets been payed out to the men in suits and it's endemic, but the crush point is probably not 1% of these guys are worth/contribute to the business what they are being paid


    +1000

    Its easy to make a business case for Merging processors but doing so now, in this country, would be a toxic move which might seal the fate of Irish dairy forever.

    The only unique selling point Ireland has its it's family size grass farms. Compared to a range land country like NZ these are a rich historical story and represent generations of authenticity. We grow grass beautifully, but the secret of Irish farms is that for hundreds of years cattle have walked up the same ditches and lanes, usually in front of generations of the same family. Believe it or not in this social media food aware age that tapestry may well be real gold, if only we had the patience to let it develop through products which do it justice.

    We must find a way to leverage this and we must find it from the farms and the smallest coops upwards.

    Selling out Irish family farming to a Fonterra model single processor in the misguided pursuit of cost efficiency would be an outrage.


  • #7559
    WheatenBriar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭WheatenBriar


    The glanbia co op special dividend is in my account this morning


  • #7560
    keep going
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭keep going


    ozil10 wrote: »
    29 cent plus top up If you are member of Glanbia coop society and runs from April 2016 to Dec 2018 ( 2 years 9 months) but the milk volume you applied for will be doubled from July 2017 to Dec 2018
    Correct me if I'm wrong on any point
    i have this theory that you should only sign up for fixed price contract that is offering less than you are getting at that time and avoid contracts that offering more.dosent make sence but it does.i see this as a positive developement but only time will tell.any other crowds offering contract in that time frame


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  • #7561
    WheatenBriar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭WheatenBriar


    29c isn't much of an incentive at 4c above the cost of production
    Its minimum wage territory for say a 100 cows in what is a 7 day 100hrs+ week


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