Clare GAA discussion thread

letowski · 02-05-2016 04:57PM

I thought David Fitzgearld had another great game at wing back today. If you take the last 3 games he has been involved, they have probably been against the 3 best counties and he has made an impact in all. I think he is beating out Bugler for that half back spot once McInerney and Ryan come back. It would be very hard to drop him, similar to O'Brien and Reidy (both good yeaterday), they have earned their spot on the team.

letowski · 02-05-2016 05:07PM

windy shepard henderson wrote:

there is no doubt connor mcgrath took us out of the fire as none of the starting half forward line had great days , the likes of podge , tony , and galvin all had below par days , changes between cunningham or duck for duggen should have happened but didnt as all 3 didnt enjoy there afternoon

Yeah, twas a tough one for Peter, it was only his first game back and he was completely out numbered. Id prefer Shanagher the next day, as he is a bit more mobile and shows well for low balls better. I think moving the balls more diagonal would be better next Sunday, it can change the point of attack and create space. Cunningham needs to be more closer in support like he was v Kilkenny.
Podge and Tony will hopefully be getting better going into their third week, we did see some sparks from them which is encouraging, I think it was always going to be tough for them in their first/second game back to reach the pitch of things, Waterford are a relentless team.

buck65 · 03-05-2016 12:19PM

Whatever about Shanahan's free being soft ,Tots free at the end of regular time was very soft - Kelly realistically was lucky not to be sent off, he does have a rash edge to his game when frustrated. All in all the ref was ok, disappointed that he wouldn't keep up with the game to allow a fast puck out.

blue note · 03-05-2016 12:59PM

buck65 wrote: »

Whatever about Shanahan's free being soft ,Tots free at the end of regular time was very soft - Kelly realistically was lucky not to be sent off, he does have a rash edge to his game when frustrated. All in all the ref was ok, disappointed that he wouldn't keep up with the game to allow a fast puck out.

Ah, both frees at the end of normal and extra time were soft. And that would have been a very harsh red card. I've seen them given for that, but as a waterford fan I'd have been disappointed to see it.

Warper · 03-05-2016 03:56PM

Conlon could be out for another 10 weeks, might miss the full Munster championship - massive loss as he is having his best season

letowski · 03-05-2016 05:07PM

Fully argee, arguably our most important player. Hopefully he will be back at some stage in the summer, but this puts a dent on our Munster championship aspirations, no doubt.

eddie1986 · 04-05-2016 01:48PM

Davys Fits wrote: »

Yes this is a free. Where in the rule book does it say this is a tackle? The beauty of hurling over football is it has a defined tackle ie hooking and blocking. If you keep 2 hands on the hurl then yo wont give away a free.

Absolutely ridiculous to think you can keep your two hands on the hurley and tackle effectively.
If you stick your hurley out to stop a man coming through (as you would with your arm), is that then acceptable?

Davys Fits · 05-05-2016 09:04AM

eddie1986 wrote: »

Absolutely ridiculous to think you can keep your two hands on the hurley and tackle effectively.
If you stick your hurley out to stop a man coming through (as you would with your arm), is that then acceptable?

Rather than asking another question can you answer the original question. Where in the rule book does it say you can put your arms out to stop somebody moving forward?

eddie1986 · 05-05-2016 10:26AM

Davys Fits wrote: »

Rather than asking another question can you answer the original question. Where in the rule book does it say you can put your arms out to stop somebody moving forward?

A better question is where does it say you can't?

keeponhurling · 05-05-2016 07:10PM

I remember last time Clare played Waterford in a replayed final.

Any chance we could get Ger Loughnane as special guest pre-match motivational speaker ??

Road-Hog · 06-05-2016 06:23AM

keeponhurling wrote: »

I remember last time Clare played Waterford in a replayed final.

Any chance we could get Ger Loughnane as special guest pre-match motivational speaker ??

Don't think anyone would really want a repeat of the game you are talking about...which I take it is the replayed '98 Munster final?

Clareman · 06-05-2016 06:26AM

In regards to what is a foul or not, a defender can stand like a scarecrow and make themselves as big as possible if they want, if the attacker tries to go through them it's a foul but if the defender moves to try to stop the attacker it's a foul against them.

Clareman · 06-05-2016 06:28AM

The 98 Munster Final replay was a terrible day for all concerned, Clare won by over double scores and Waterford were lucky to get 10 scores, outside of the "frantic" first few minutes nothing of note happened that day at all.

buck65 · 06-05-2016 10:28AM

Clare played one of their best games of hurling that day once the mud settled after the frantic opening. I remember Jamesie offering his hand to Brian Greene who broke Jamesie's hurley instead. Colin Lynch completeley lost in and struck Tony Browne about 4 times across the back whilst Lohan and Michael White went wrestling and got sent off. Waterford completely tried to change the narrative by lodging a complaint against Clare after being hammered and bullied off the field when their own bullying tactics failed.

blue note · 06-05-2016 11:03AM

buck65 wrote: »

Clare played one of their best games of hurling that day once the mud settled after the frantic opening. I remember Jamesie offering his hand to Brian Greene who broke Jamesie's hurley instead. Colin Lynch completeley lost in and struck Tony Browne about 4 times across the back whilst Lohan and Michael White went wrestling and got sent off. Waterford completely tried to change the narrative by lodging a complaint against Clare after being hammered and bullied off the field when their own bullying tactics failed.

I was a young lad at that match and it was my first season going to matches. Being honest I disliked Clare for years after that match. There was a bit of it on both sides, but far more from clare in fairness. Ye really should have had a couple more sent off in the match and I was sour that a team won like that. It just didn't seem fair to me.

It probably ruined your season, but I don't see how you can complain about any of it. The bannings were thoroughly deserved. I still think it was a great clare team, but that season you let yourselves down.

I've gotten over it now though and am a big fan of the current clare team. Last week I found myself complimenting the clare players after half their scores because they're just lovely hurlers. Hopefully this weekends match will be a cracker!

PlayByTheRules · 06-05-2016 11:12AM

Any word on David McInerney? Will he play? Could make the difference for Clare I feel. Will certainly give away less frees.

eddie1986 · 06-05-2016 01:16PM

Clare gave away about 5 frees for fouling the ball alone, 2 pick ups off the ground, Colin ryan threw the ball and over carrying, probably as a consequence of how much pressure was on players though I don't recall Waterford doing it.

buck65 · 06-05-2016 04:17PM

blue note wrote: »

I was a young lad at that match and it was my first season going to matches. Being honest I disliked Clare for years after that match. There was a bit of it on both sides, but far more from clare in fairness. Ye really should have had a couple more sent off in the match and I was sour that a team won like that. It just didn't seem fair to me.

It probably ruined your season, but I don't see how you can complain about any of it. The bannings were thoroughly deserved. I still think it was a great clare team, but that season you let yourselves down.

I've gotten over it now though and am a big fan of the current clare team. Last week I found myself complimenting the clare players after half their scores because they're just lovely hurlers. Hopefully this weekends match will be a cracker!

No complaints about the sending offs and bannings here, both teams went at it and both were culpible. Lodging a complaint was the part that was a bit rich. Late 90s Clare were not a team to be bullied.
I have no ill will against Waterford now but back then I hated them and this was reinforced by the shirt kissing nonsense of Mullane and Eoin Kelly in the following years. The current team and management seem far removed from that crap.
It's no secret that the players had far too much say down there and evicted managers that didn't suit them - what did they win after , a few Munster titles? Waterford need to row in behind their current crop and go all the way. They're good enough.

Clareman · 06-05-2016 04:35PM

Major complaints about the banning for Colin Lynch here, he was banned with absolutely 0 evidence against him except testimony from someone in the crowd.

blue note · 06-05-2016 05:28PM

buck65 wrote: »

No complaints about the sending offs and bannings here, both teams went at it and both were culpible. Lodging a complaint was the part that was a bit rich. Late 90s Clare were not a team to be bullied.
I have no ill will against Waterford now but back then I hated them and this was reinforced by the shirt kissing nonsense of Mullane and Eoin Kelly in the following years. The current team and management seem far removed from that crap.
It's no secret that the players had far too much say down there and evicted managers that didn't suit them - what did they win after , a few Munster titles? Waterford need to row in behind their current crop and go all the way. They're good enough.

In hindsight I have no problem with the complaint. Both teams weren't at it to the same degree and the bannings reflected that. You talk about bullying and it's exactly what Clare did to Waterford in that replay. Waterford were shook from it and played like it. But it wasn't legal or fair bullying and Clare deserved their punishment. It probably cost them the all Ireland that year too.

I also had no problem with the shirt kissing, utterly harmless stuff and I can't get my head around how annoyed other counties seemed to be by it.

Clareman · 06-05-2016 07:04PM

blue note wrote: »

In hindsight I have no problem with the complaint. Both teams weren't at it to the same degree and the bannings reflected that. You talk about bullying and it's exactly what Clare did to Waterford in that replay. Waterford were shook from it and played like it. But it wasn't legal or fair bullying and Clare deserved their punishment. It probably cost them the all Ireland that year too.

I also had no problem with the shirt kissing, utterly harmless stuff and I can't get my head around how annoyed other counties seemed to be by it.

How about Gerry Quinn having his hand broken off the ball?? Waterford were well able for it when it suited them but they weren't able to finish what they started but they were well able to moan to the press when it suited.

mountgomery burns · 06-05-2016 07:51PM

Clareman wrote: »

Major complaints about the banning for Colin Lynch here, he was banned with absolutely 0 evidence against him except testimony from someone in the crowd.

Given he hit all three midfielders before a ball was thrown in I think to be honest the ban was merited.

Clareman · 06-05-2016 08:20PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Given he hit all three midfielders before a ball was thrown in I think to be honest the ban was merited.

That wasn't what he was banned for though

mountgomery burns · 06-05-2016 08:57PM

Clareman wrote: »

That wasn't what he was banned for though

Well we'll say justice was done in the end and move on, 18 years later.

Clareman · 06-05-2016 09:09PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Well we'll say justice was done in the end and move on, 18 years later.

Never, what happened to Clare in 98 was disgrace and I'll never move on from it

Niallers87 · 06-05-2016 11:57PM

Same team named for sunday; that started last sunday

letowski · 07-05-2016 12:04AM

Same team as last week as per Clare fm twitter machine. It dissapointing that McInerney and Ryan injuries havn't cleared up yet, has anyone any update? Conlons injury gets alot of attention, but those two players would be a huge help. Especially McInerney, its easily forgotten that he was agruably our best player this year til injury, he was dominant v Limerick and his atheletism would be taylor made for a game like Waterford.

Overall we need a big improvement from the last day, Waterford aren't likely to be as wasteful. I think we will see an improvement but it mightened be enough. Hopefully Duggan goes better inside, that would give us a good platform to attck if he can win some ball close to goal.

windy shepard henderson · 07-05-2016 02:22AM

letowski wrote: »

Same team as last week as per Clare fm twitter machine. It dissapointing that McInerney and Ryan injuries havn't cleared up yet, has anyone any update? Conlons injury gets alot of attention, but those two players would be a huge help. Especially McInerney, its easily forgotten that he was agruably our best player this year til injury, he was dominant v Limerick and his atheletism would be taylor made for a game like Waterford.

Overall we need a big improvement from the last day, Waterford aren't likely to be as wasteful. I think we will see an improvement but it mightened be enough. Hopefully Duggan goes better inside, that would give us a good platform to attck if he can win some ball close to goal.

strange we made no changes , would have expected one or two , with tom devine starting and probably maurice getting a longer run as will mahoney , waterford will be stronger then the last day , still think swapping duggen for cuningham inside would be a better idea , senda and jack browne will feature again although i would think flanagan might start as he done nothing wrong to miss the last day , its definitely not our strongest by any measure of means but its no harm to have lads fighting for positions for the championship

windy shepard henderson · 07-05-2016 02:26AM

Clareman wrote: »

Never, what happened to Clare in 98 was disgrace and I'll never move on from it

i dont think any of us will :pac:, the only silver lining for jimmy cooney that year is there were no louth supporters with clare connections in the crowd that day......:)

Clareman · 07-05-2016 09:40AM

By the way 98 wasn't just about the replay, in the first game Waterford had gone out of their way to target Clare in every way possible from striking off the ball (Jamesey at the start, Gilly 2 minutes in), to sledging (Dalo's dead father being brought up, Davys marriage being questioned) to the sideline being marked to Flynn throwing Frank's boot into the crowd . Clare had a meeting after the game where everything Waterford did was discussed and how Clare were bullied the first day, Clare weren't going to be bullied the second day.

In regards to Lynch, Tony Browne was the difference between Waterford winning and not, Lynch was tasked with stopping him the second day which he did, he completely dominated him but at the end of the game they swopped jerseys and shook on in. In old school that'd be the end of it but Waterford decided to whine to the press about it and led to Lynch being banned for 6 months with absolutely 0 evidence. I'm sure I speak for a lot of Clare supporters when I say we'll never forget Waterford for what they did to Clare that year.

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