Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 ***Updated Mod Note Post 1***

Paddy Joe hopes to wipe €100,000 off our debt, will they finally stop the levies from the club's?

danganabu wrote: »

It wasn't the Munster Councils decision for starters.

And the reason that amalgamations were stopped had a hell of a lot more to do with Dungarvan amalgamation, for some unknown reason Dungarvan main school were allowed participate in the 'B' competition at the same time and of course with 75% of the combined team and went and won the B in a canter the week after the Harty, that was taking the piss.

FWIW at least one of the Waterford School delegates voted in favour of stopping amalgamations.

I'm sure Leinster would welcome them with open arms!!

It was a freak crop though - and it is a bit of a one off - stopping the Waterford colleges based on that doesn't seem to make sense to me.

The mid county badly needs it, dungarvan CBS is a small school, only lads in the far east and west of the county are being exposed to Harty now - a whole host of players in the middle of the county are missing that opportunity - the Dungarvan Colleges wouldn't even be that competitive now

Another draw would not be a surprise Sunday and both county boards will be tearing there hair out if another replay has to played on the 14/15 May and the county championship has to moved again. The 1993 league final took 2 replays between Cork and Wexford to find a winner.

Can we share the cup lol or can they just play til there's a winner (which they should of done last Sunday imo).

Does anyone expect many changes to the team ??. Expecting at least one Change if Shane Fives is out, wonder will Pauric Mahony get a start

IanVW wrote: »

Waterford
1 S O'Keeffe
2 SFives
3BCoughlan
4NConnors
5de Burca
6A Gleeson
P Mahony
8J Barron
8D Fives
10 KMoran
11S Bennett
12MWalsh
13P Curran
14Dillon
15TDevine

Strong starting fifteen;with no shanahan? Is that the offical team?

I'm surprised that Colin Dunford is the one to lose out. Always chips in a few scores and does the dirty work. But Devine worth a start as well. Great position to be in with such competition for places.

Think we'll win on Sunday. I wonder will we see a late change with Shane Fives? Delighted Devine is getting his chance but not at Dunford's expense. It's comical at this stage the love-in regarding" the untouchable"!!
But let's move on as it will never change as long as Mcgrath is in charge so all we can hope for is a miraculous display on Sunday. Hopefully we throw off the shackles and at least have a go and try to be more positive. We have the forwards to do so. God knows whom will lose out when Shanahan and Mahony are fully fit!!

Dunford has an insatiable work rate. Terrible terrible move dropping him. Colin gets through the work of ten men at times during games. He is absolutely relentless. Very poor decision.

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

Jake dillon has the same insatiable work rate . He does the role he is picked to do very well. Dunford works hard too and is unlucky to lose out but will probably be picked for the championship. This hatred here for dillon is nonsense. McGrath and the selectors are doing a damn good job . If you're not happy with McGrath and his team selection that's your own opinion you're entitled too but he has gotten it right the last 2 seasons

Not a hatred of Dillon its a hatred of the blind preference shown towards him. Again we'll hear about the savage workrate etc that he brings to the team but so do the other 14 players but it's his contribution after that is the problem. What does he bring to the table that Dunford doesn't? It's a hometown decision and nothing else! Dunford is a workhorse but add his pace and scoring ability to the mix and he should be starting. Tell me what else Dillon offers?. Delighted Devine gets his opportunity but id be fearful if he doesn't have an immediate impact on the game we'll see him being used as a substitute for the championship again. He definitely won't get the same amount of chances as Dillon has got since McGrath has come in. Stephen Bennett, Shan and Mahony are to come back,yes its a fabulous problem to have having this talent at their disposal but I wouldn't be surprised if Curran and Dunford would be the fall guys again later in the year.

cul beag wrote: »

We know what we're looking for also! Touch? Vision? Examples please seeing as you know what you look for when you go to a game! I for one must be looking at something completely different and more besides me. In the meantime as I stated in an earlier post if its flankers we want to see pick up a few lads in Waterpark on the way up and they'll do the same job for us.

You have been continuously having a go at Derek Mcgrath over the past couple of years and now Jake Dillon has become a target for your anger. I could pick several examples of positive contributions by Jake to this Waterford team but there would be no point in showing them to you because you have already made up your mind that he is a stick to beat the manager with. I presume that you did not come on here last year and compliment Dillon on a great performance against Cork in the Munster Championship, but if he has a poor game ( like most players do from time to time ) you cannot wait to have a blast at him.
You profess to know what you are talking about but I will explain something to you about the present Waterford style of playing. Contrary to what some people think ( probably including yourself) the two most demanding jobs as regarding work rate and making the system work on this team are the wing forward positions. That is why Brick and Dillon are ever presents on this team as they have what it takes to be able to do that job and of course Dillon chips in with a few scores as well. It is my opinion that Devine or Moran are the other two players on the panel that could this job and at the moment Moran is required elsewhere.
I also believe Dillon is perhaps a little unlucky that he is so adaptable because he could be very useful for us either in the FF line or as the extra midfielder. I, like many more on here, have been watching Waterford club and county hurling for many many years and Jake Dillon has been one of the brightest talents to have come through and he is not just a talented hurler but also a very committed and disciplined team player. With Tom Devine's inclusion on Sunday it is possible that Dillon could be moved to the FF line or the extra midfield role and I would love to see that but ultimately I think he will be back in the wing forward position because along with Brick they are our best options there.
By the way, I have no affiliation to DLS but some of the nonsense written here about Jake Dillon needed to be addressed and I get the impression that you are not telling us the full story about the bee that you have in your bonnet about Derek Mcgrath. And also, dont forget that Big Dan and Fintan O Connor also pick the team so the next time you are having a go at the manager be sure to include the selectors in your rant.

cascade12 wrote: »

You have been continuously having a go at Derek Mcgrath over the past couple of years and now Jake Dillon has become a target for your anger. I could pick several examples of positive contributions by Jake to this Waterford team but there would be no point in showing them to you because you have already made up your mind that he is a stick to beat the manager with. I presume that you did not come on here last year and compliment Dillon on a great performance against Cork in the Munster Championship, but if he has a poor game ( like most players do from time to time ) you cannot wait to have a blast at him.
You profess to know what you are talking about but I will explain something to you about the present Waterford style of playing. Contrary to what some people think ( probably including yourself) the two most demanding jobs as regarding work rate and making the system work on this team are the wing forward positions. That is why Brick and Dillon are ever presents on this team as they have what it takes to be able to do that job and of course Dillon chips in with a few scores as well. It is my opinion that Devine or Moran are the other two players on the panel that could this job and at the moment Moran is required elsewhere.
I also believe Dillon is perhaps a little unlucky that he is so adaptable because he could be very useful for us either in the FF line or as the extra midfielder. I, like many more on here, have been watching Waterford club and county hurling for many many years and Jake Dillon has been one of the brightest talents to have come through and he is not just a talented hurler but also a very committed and disciplined team player. With Tom Devine's inclusion on Sunday it is possible that Dillon could be moved to the FF line or the extra midfield role and I would love to see that but ultimately I think he will be back in the wing forward position because along with Brick they are our best options there.
By the way, I have no affiliation to DLS but some of the nonsense written here about Jake Dillon needed to be addressed and I get the impression that you are not telling us the full story about the bee that you have in your bonnet about Derek Mcgrath. And also, dont forget that Big Dan and Fintan O Connor also pick the team so the next time you are having a go at the manager be sure to include the selectors in your rant.

All he done against cork last year was score a goal brick put on a plate for him. He's not good enfough simple as that. No1 hates him it's just so blatantly obvious at this stage. If u follow club hurling like u say you do look at what happened dls last year! A bad game time to time fair enfough but not every game. Like there's several occasions that come to mind where his man (a defender) out scores him.

Out of the starting 6 forwards we normally have I'd rank them as follows

1 Bennett
2 curran
3 brick
4 Dunford
5 Moran
6 Dillon

That dosent just include scoring it also takes into consideration ball winning and dirty work. Moran is having a poor year too. I left Maurice out on purpose as if he were starting Dunford would be midfield . If Maurice was there he would be 3 and brick would go to 4.

We'll be found out sooner or later if politics stays. At the end of the day it's Mcgraths team the selectors only advise him. The book stops with the manager

cascade12 wrote: »

You have been continuously having a go at Derek Mcgrath over the past couple of years and now Jake Dillon has become a target for your anger. I could pick several examples of positive contributions by Jake to this Waterford team but there would be no point in showing them to you because you have already made up your mind that he is a stick to beat the manager with. I presume that you did not come on here last year and compliment Dillon on a great performance against Cork in the Munster Championship, but if he has a poor game ( like most players do from time to time ) you cannot wait to have a blast at him.
You profess to know what you are talking about but I will explain something to you about the present Waterford style of playing. Contrary to what some people think ( probably including yourself) the two most demanding jobs as regarding work rate and making the system work on this team are the wing forward positions. That is why Brick and Dillon are ever presents on this team as they have what it takes to be able to do that job and of course Dillon chips in with a few scores as well. It is my opinion that Devine or Moran are the other two players on the panel that could this job and at the moment Moran is required elsewhere.
I also believe Dillon is perhaps a little unlucky that he is so adaptable because he could be very useful for us either in the FF line or as the extra midfielder. I, like many more on here, have been watching Waterford club and county hurling for many many years and Jake Dillon has been one of the brightest talents to have come through and he is not just a talented hurler but also a very committed and disciplined team player. With Tom Devine's inclusion on Sunday it is possible that Dillon could be moved to the FF line or the extra midfield role and I would love to see that but ultimately I think he will be back in the wing forward position because along with Brick they are our best options there.
By the way, I have no affiliation to DLS but some of the nonsense written here about Jake Dillon needed to be addressed and I get the impression that you are not telling us the full story about the bee that you have in your bonnet about Derek Mcgrath. And also, dont forget that Big Dan and Fintan O Connor also pick the team so the next time you are having a go at the manager be sure to include the selectors in your rant.

Sorry to disappoint you but I personally have absolutely nothing against McGrath and if you take the time to go back through my posts at different times I have praised the manager and the team. The truth of the matter is I call it as I see it im not blinded by the tripe that is being served up to us at the moment. Am I the only person disapproving with management and certain players? I think not! Your selective viewing leads you to this impression I believe. If we win on Sunday and Dillon plays out of his skin i will say as much but the fact you had to go back to the championship game against Cork last year to show an example of a better performance by him says enough. I aswell have been watching different Waterford teams for years coming through and potentially Dillon was amongst several players that were earmarked for future development at senior level but there were/are several from those groups that never got the same chance as he has.
7pts to 6 at halftime last Sunday with 12 wides posted and a game plan that stifles some of the best forwards we have produced since Flynn, Kelly,Mullane, Big Dan and you expect me to say the tactics are ok? The problem on here is if anyone constructively criticises the set up you are automatically tarnished as having a personal vendetta against McGrath etc. What utter rubbish! I,like others am a Waterford supporter and want nothing more than to see us successful but if my opinion of what I see doesn't suit then tough! For the record I was going to include Moran as another guy that's struggling big time but I might be accused of having something against DLS then!! In Moran's defense he is one player that can turn around on Sunday and give a MOM performance as he has done in the past where he has grabbed games by the scruff of the neck when all around him were flailing but alas I don't see his club mate doing the same thing. Hopefully I am wrong on Sunday as I imagine there is a queue waiting to tell me as such!!
Finally my thoughts on the other selectors are that they offer their opinions but ultimately the final say is with McGrath.

Total Scored (All 2016 NHL matches so far)
Dillon 0-4. Did not score anything in 4 matches
Moran 0-4. Did not score anything in 5 matches
Brick 0-1. Did not score anything in 6 matches

Look I do realise that this system in place does involve a huge amount of work rate and our forwards job involves winning ball and winning frees that our free takers need to slot over, as well as taking their own scores, and maybe it sounds churlish to question individuals in a team that have achieved an unbelievably consistent level of performance, and I know the statistics above dont capture workrate or assists or frees won in score able positions, and yes I know Brick has been a legend for us for the last 14 years ,but the game ultimately is about scoring...

mountgomery burns wrote: »

To be fair, calling someone a flanker is not constructive criticism.

Comparing the style of hurling being played at the moment to rugby I think is that example you refer to.

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

Jake dillon has the same insatiable work rate . He does the role he is picked to do very well. Dunford works hard too and is unlucky to lose out but will probably be picked for the championship. This hatred here for dillon is nonsense. McGrath and the selectors are doing a damn good job . If you're not happy with McGrath and his team selection that's your own opinion you're entitled too but he has gotten it right the last 2 seasons

agreed about Dillon ,but he(Mc Grath) has gotten very little right and an awful lot wrong these last two years