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Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

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  • #7202
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    browned wrote:
    Bang on the money bass. The current circumstances is 22c/l and falling. Those that adopt to this new reality will survive and those that cling to the past will not.

    This one will.


  • #7203
    case885
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭case885


    kowtow wrote:
    This one will.


    I thought you did adapt to a niche system kow?


  • #7204
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    kowtow wrote: »
    This one will.

    Survive?

    Or..cling to the past?

    As ambiguous as an ancient Oracle/Sibyl...:)


  • #7205
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    browned wrote: »
    Sorry man I wouldn't have a strong enough pharyngeal reflex to last the interview let alone a days work

    No offence taken. But you can always put it on your CV that you were offered the job. It's getting increasingly hard to find people to defend the pay and conditions of serial board members.


  • #7206
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    GDT today, should be interesting again.


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  • #7207
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,798 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    GDT today, should be interesting again.

    Glanbia don't pass any remarks to gdt auctions. They have their price set months ago.


  • #7208
    browned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 661 ✭✭✭browned


    Farmer Ed wrote: »
    No offence taken. But you can always put it on your CV that you were offered the job. It's getting increasingly hard to find people to defend the pay and conditions of serial board members.

    and none meant. if you can work it into any future board contract, try and organise it so that every time you can drop the words ifa, dairygold, REOX, pat smith or jim wolfe into a conversation you'll automatically qualify for a bonus.


  • #7209
    WheatenBriar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭WheatenBriar


    browned wrote: »
    How is me taking control of my own business the wrong mindset.
    If people aren't happy with the milk price why not go out and sell their own milk cut the coop out of the equation. Plenty of farmers havent excepted poor prices in the past and added value to their milk be it in the form of cheeses, yogurts etc. this way you have full control of production marketing and sales of your produce and you're the one getting the bonuses
    I did not mean taking your business to maximum efficiency is the wrong mindset
    Ignoring being shafted on base price ,in favour of increasingly hard to find or indeed hardship making cutbacks is

    There is no room in the market for every farmer to make and sell his/her end product or for a whole population of new groups of small farmers to do that,they'd go broke setting up and competing with one another
    We have a model,it's just we aren't very good at controling it


  • #7210
    keep going
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭keep going


    kowtow wrote: »
    Ah God no, not the west cork boards. They've barely got chocolate on the digestives and there is a whiff of farmer about them.

    Go for the big boys, get a cheap suit, and get on with taking the 'culture' out of agriculture.
    Ah now first I m after getting a complex about my grey hair and now im being told I stink, add that to the low pay and my confidence is in bits. I ll have to go for a make over, operation transfarmation


  • #7211
    Sacrolyte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 923 ✭✭✭Sacrolyte


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    GDT today, should be interesting again.

    Bugger.


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  • #7212
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    keep going wrote: »
    Ah now first I m after getting a complex about my grey hair and now im being told I stink, add that to the low pay and my confidence is in bits. I ll have to go for a make over, operation transfarmation

    It's your own fault for paying the farmers too much for milk. Get the make over and let the farmers pay for it.


  • #7213
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    browned wrote: »
    and none meant. if you can work it into any future board contract, try and organise it so that every time you can drop the words ifa, dairygold, REOX, pat smith or jim wolfe into a conversation you'll automatically qualify for a bonus.

    As soon as I'm on the board I will have to tow the line and sing the praises of all of the above.


  • #7214
    browned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 661 ✭✭✭browned


    WheatenBriar wrote: »
    I did not mean taking your business to maximum efficiency is the wrong mindset
    Ignoring being shafted on base price ,in favour of increasingly hard to find or indeed hardship making cutbacks is

    There is no room in the market for every farmer to make and sell his/her end product or for a whole population of new groups of small farmers to do that,they'd go broke setting up and competing with one another
    We have a model,it's just we aren't very good at controling it

    I wouldn't try and set up my own brand either if im being honest, too much work with no actual guarantee of final product sale. I'm content with the present arrangement whereby I only have to focus on producing the raw material and in exchanged for an ever fluctuating price, I am guaranteed to be paid each month and without ever having to worry about where it goes once it leaves my farm.

    your were saying that there is no room in the market for say farmer brand produce but isn't the coop in the same situation only on a much larger scale.


  • #7215
    WheatenBriar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭WheatenBriar


    browned wrote: »

    your were saying that there is no room in the market for say farmer brand produce but isn't the coop in the same situation only on a much larger scale.
    No,the very large Co Op/plc will have recognised brands ,established logistics,and millions of euros in retained earnings to play with
    Quite different to the farmer on his own


  • #7216
    boggerman1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭boggerman1


    Gdt down again by 1.4%.20,000 ton on offer.18 cents a litre not too far away from being a possibility.hope I'm wrong.


  • #7217
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    boggerman1 wrote: »
    Gdt down again by 1.4%.20,000 ton on offer.18 cents a litre not too far away from being a possibility.hope I'm wrong.
    That'll cheer up a few Boardsies:rolleyes:

    Butter products down 5.5%

    Cheese and Casein up

    https://www.globaldairytrade.info/en/product-results/


  • #7218
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    boggerman1 wrote: »
    Gdt down again by 1.4%.20,000 ton on offer.18 cents a litre not too far away from being a possibility.hope I'm wrong.
    Add your reply here.

    Where's the ornua ppi? I know the gdt auction is there for all to see but we sell f-all on it, yet it's quoted as the be all and end all. We should be seeing reports on where our product is sold. Hell fontera are even selling less and less on it or so they claim unless they are holding it all, no doubt there will be a jump in volumes come next month to try and knock us back a bit


  • #7219
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,798 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    What about all those measures announced by big Phil last month?


  • #7220
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    WheatenBriar wrote: »
    No,the very large Co Op/plc will have recognised brands ,established logistics,and millions of euros in retained earnings to play with
    Quite different to the farmer on his own

    Some Coops have no brands as they had to sell them the last time they were stuck for money


  • #7221
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    Dawggone wrote:
    As ambiguous as an ancient Oracle/Sibyl...

    Dawggone wrote:
    Or..cling to the past?

    Dawggone wrote:
    Survive?

    All three.

    We're going to survive (thrive actually) by clinging to the past.

    What the overpaid boards would call exploiting the synergy of vertical integrations while capturing the higher margin elements of the customer relationship.

    We call it making cheese.


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  • #7222
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    kowtow wrote: »
    All three.

    We're going to survive (thrive actually) by clinging to the past.

    What the overpaid boards would call exploiting the synergy of vertical integrations while capturing the higher margin elements of the customer relationship.

    We call it making cheese.

    You must be hanging around a more educated type of board member to me. In my experience the average board member wouldn't have a clue what any of that ment, but would just nod their heads in agreement at what ever big important sounding words managment were coming out with.


  • #7223
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    Farmer Ed wrote:
    You must be hanging around a more educated type of board member to me. In my experience the average board member wouldn't have a clue what any of that ment, but would just nod their heads in agreement at what ever big important sounding words managment were coming out with.


    Used to love having board members like that. The older ones were sometimes deaf as well which is a bonus from a compliance point of view.


  • #7224
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    I've been watching this thread unfold lately and this evening I had a browse back 2/3 yrs ago...
    Biddy was brill at informing when cheque hit the account..Jersey101 was gung ho...DeLaval was confident...etc,etc :)
    Biddy got an average of 27.7cpl for '09...
    The new bottom price was 30-32cpl...
    Blah Blah.

    There was a cranky old briar 'sheebadog' that talked of 'ducking and diving' and volatility and 'one trick pony' and risk management and QUOTA and expansion and a whole load of scutter...


    'Twasn't like ye weren't warned...


  • #7225
    darragh_haven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭darragh_haven


    Dawggone wrote: »
    I've been watching this thread unfold lately and this evening I had a browse back 2/3 yrs ago...
    Biddy was brill at informing when cheque hit the account..Jersey101 was gung ho...DeLaval was confident...etc,etc :)
    Biddy got an average of 27.7cpl for '09...
    The new bottom price was 30-32cpl...
    Blah Blah.

    There was a cranky old briar 'sheebadog' that talked of 'ducking and diving' and volatility and 'one trick pony' and risk management and QUOTA and expansion and a whole load of scutter...


    'Twasn't like ye were warned...

    Good time to get into dairying so Ted?


  • #7226
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    darragh_haven wrote: »
    Good time to get into dairying so Ted?

    Absolutely!


  • #7227
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    Dawggone wrote:
    Absolutely!


    I was thinking in the parlour this evening that if this thread gets any more bearish I had better start buying a serious amount of cows.

    Or a co-op.


  • #7228
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    kowtow wrote: »
    I was thinking in the parlour this evening that if this thread gets any more bearish I had better start buying a serious amount of cows.

    Or a co-op.

    Coming close on time to make your move...:)

    Edit.
    Put a couple of Coops to bed when stainless steel starts to peak??


  • #7229
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    Dawggone wrote:
    Coming close on time to make your move...


    Ah but at the rate I go, 240 cows would take me forever to do. I'd be going one better than browned - they'd be on 'once a week'

    I must put away these low commercial thoughts and concentrate on artisanal retirement.


  • #7230
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    kowtow wrote: »
    Ah but at the rate I go, 240 cows would take me forever to do. I'd be going one better than browned - they'd be on 'once a week'

    I must put away these low commercial thoughts and concentrate on artisanal retirement.

    Artisanal retirement would suit me right now only I'm totally lacking in any *art*.


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  • #7231
    mf240
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,890 ✭✭✭mf240


    Dawggone wrote: »
    I've been watching this thread unfold lately and this evening I had a browse back 2/3 yrs ago...
    Biddy was brill at informing when cheque hit the account..Jersey101 was gung ho...DeLaval was confident...etc,etc :)
    Biddy got an average of 27.7cpl for '09...
    The new bottom price was 30-32cpl...
    Blah Blah.

    There was a cranky old briar 'sheebadog' that talked of 'ducking and diving' and volatility and 'one trick pony' and risk management and QUOTA and expansion and a whole load of scutter...


    'Twasn't like ye weren't warned...

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=89706698


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