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Match thread - Ulster v Leinster, RavenSpan, 15:00, Sky Sports 1

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    What did McGrath do wrong? I thought his passing was fairly snappy and he kept things flowing. The problems were most definitely elsewhere.

    He was really good today. Clearly first choice now I'd say, I'd be surprised if he doesn't go to South Africa


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    I'm sorry Miss Jackson! I am for real!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    What a tackle from Paddy Jackson. My MOTM
    Agreed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,268 ✭✭✭crisco10


    Both luke and sexton tackled without the ball there. Lol.

    But leinster have more than the ref to blame.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭yosser hughes


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    What did McGrath do wrong? I thought his passing was fairly snappy and he kept things flowing. The problems were most definitely elsewhere.

    Gave away a cheap penalty early on. Dithers constantly getting the ball out. Frequently caught with the ball at base of scrum/ruck. Brainless kicking.

    This is embarrassing now. Ulster hammering Leinster without being particulalry good.
    The Ulster crowd would give you a pain with the incessant booing.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭A-Train


    Jesus Christ Leinster are shocking in attack, so so bad! That's just caps offa terrible day, whatever about Clancy being a joke, Leinster are worse!

    There is a severe lack of leadership in that team, they look clueless and rudderless! Also I stand by what I have been saying all season, they are a worse team when the internationals play.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,427 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Don't think Ulster have been better across the park for the whole game.

    Leinster were better up front for the first 50. Real problem came when they blew two beautiful try scoring opportunities either side of half time. It absolutely highlights the lack of anything resembling an attacking plan.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    Fumble


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    Delighted for Jackson.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    The wee Scottish man nearly squeaking in for a bonus point in the corner...

    Anyway some really strong performances from Ulster today. Particularly from their midfield led by Jackson. Clancy probably their most important performance though, which is bloody frustrating.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,076 ✭✭✭✭vienne86


    Now that was poor by Leinster, though Clancy certainly didn't help. Ulster deserved that win, but would not have deserved a BP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,427 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Reddan and Triggs need binning. Pure muck.

    McGrath looked world class at SH by comparison.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,239 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    that was quite a smackdown from Ulster


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭yosser hughes


    Clegg wrote: »
    Reddan and Triggs need binning. Pure muck.

    McGrath looked world class at SH by comparison.

    Pontless comparing McGrath to Reddan. Reddan is what 35? he's more or less finished. Luke McGrath is supposed to be the future? Give me a break! Leinster need a better scrum half than him I'm afraid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,504 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    Fair play to ulster that's a caning.

    Leinster attack would struggle to slice thru butter, a few teo bursts excepted.

    From an Irish perspective it's hard to get excited about these games. SA will roll round, Madigan will tog out in the 22 shirt, Payne at 13, the Kearney lads in the back 3, and you'll wonder if Schmidt takes any notice of what happens on the field.

    Leinster will need to take a hard look at the makeup of their back line for the finals.

    Ulster got by despite a bit of a struggle at scrum time but their halves dominated their opponents which was ultimately the difference, with the Fitzgerald card thrown in for good measure.

    Harp will taste sweet in Belfast tonight.


  • Administrators Posts: 54,256 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    The Ulster crowd would give you a pain with the incessant booing.

    Compared to Munster last night they were like altar boys. No harm, just a bit of craic.


  • Registered Users Posts: 441 ✭✭hogandrew


    Anyone know why jvdf went off?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭yosser hughes


    Most likely no home semi now for Leinster? Assuming Connacht beat Glasgow at home.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster


    Congrats Ulster. With exception of scrum, Ulster were far the better team. Their back line next year could be really really exciting. Always felt Kiss could give them that little extra, he is top top coach. Leinster Ulster in semis could be a great game if it comes to pass. There were a couple of calls that went against Leinster, but we have got a few in this fixture too over the years.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭former total


    Most likely no home semi now for Leinster? Assuming Connacht beat Glasgow at home.

    A bp win against Treviso will guarantee a home semi


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster


    From an Irish perspective, today could be the day that Jackson finally emerges from shadow of Madigan in Joe's eyes. If he stays injury free, Jackson is destined to be a star. Mind you, many people have been saying this for years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭Hagz


    Most likely no home semi now for Leinster? Assuming Connacht beat Glasgow at home.

    As long as Leinster beat Treviso they have a home semi.
    hogandrew wrote: »
    Anyone know why jvdf went off?

    Most likely to protect that knee that he landed on awkwardly from the high tackle.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,239 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Most likely no home semi now for Leinster? Assuming Connacht beat Glasgow at home.

    If we get a tbp win next week that should see us get a home semi no matter what happens in Galway.

    We're a point behind Conn and 3 behind Glasgow but we've won 15 games compared to 14 wins for both of them.


    eg for Conn win and glasgow get a tbp and a lbp and we get a tbp win we'll finish second.

    if glasgow win and Conn get a tbp and a lbp and we just win we'll finish second.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,935 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    Because they give out about every ref. All of them.
    Whens the booing kicking in? Havent heard much so far
    The Ulster Folk consist of a wide variety of many fractious tribes and village-dwellers, some reasonably refined, others savage and hostile. Different factions have very different cultures and practices, and may speak different languages. They spend much of their time fighting one another over petty squabbles, aside from the times when they are unified by a Queen-Beyond-the-Wall; as they were under Stephen Ferris.
    Clegg wrote: »
    Only thing worse than Clancy's performance has been Leinster's.
    Hagz wrote: »
    Clancy has been second guessing himself all game. You get a real sense of nervousness from him. Real amateur showing from him today.
    A-Train wrote: »
    Does Clancy only have yellow cards for Leinster players? Another joke decision!

    All the penaltys that Ulster have given away and nothing and that is only for the ones that Clancy bothered to ping Ulster for! Jokeshop
    Clegg wrote: »
    All down to Leinster stupidity on Ulster's line.

    Should be leading and are now 7 points and a man down.
    A-Train wrote: »
    You can't play against an Ulster team up for it, getting everything and an inept ref!
    AdamD wrote: »
    Sick of the most memorable parts of the game bring referee driven.
    Clegg wrote: »
    Tyrone Howe is a joke.

    World class fly half my hole.
    How many penalties before a yellow card.
    AdamD wrote: »
    Some joke if we end up with two yellows after Ulster giving away so many penalties.
    That shout of "Use it scrum half" pretty much sums up Clancy's first half
    Hagz wrote: »
    Can we get the AR on the pitch instead please?

    Clancy overruled a legitimate offside penalty.
    Swan Curry wrote: »
    Wonder if Herring could be cited for that, hopefully he can
    A-Train wrote: »
    Clear high hit again by Ulster and nothing!
    LEIN wrote: »
    There's another non yellow
    The wee Scottish man nearly squeaking in for a bonus point in the corner...

    Anyway some really strong performances from Ulster today. Particularly from their midfield led by Jackson. Clancy probably their most important performance though, which is bloody frustrating.
    vienne86 wrote: »
    Now that was poor by Leinster, though Clancy certainly didn't help. Ulster deserved that win, but would not have deserved a BP.

    Would you guys like some cheese with the whine?


    Perhaps the Ulster team read this article by perrenial show pony 8 Victor Costello.


    http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/leinster-rugby/cullens-men-should-be-able-to-make-ulster-faithful-sit-back-in-awe-of-them-34668491.html
    "
    Cullen's men should be able to make Ulster faithful sit back in awe of them"



    Victor Costello, the man who put the 'aw' in awful.:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭Hagz


    Boards needs to get away from this mindset that a negative comment about the ref is an insinuation that he's favouring one side.

    Clancy had a poor game with a lot of second guessing.

    I stand by that comment. Do I have to put a disclaimer at the bottom of each post saying

    *THIS DOES NOT MEAN IT'S FAVOURING ONE SIDE.

    Don't be so insecure. You're side won and deserved to win.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭yosser hughes


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    If we get a tbp win next week that should see us get a home semi no matter what happens in Galway.

    We're a point behind Conn and 3 behind Glasgow but we've won 15 games compared to 14 wins for both of them.


    eg for Conn win and glasgow get a tbp and a lbp and we get a tbp win we'll finish second.

    if glasgow win and Conn get a tbp and a lbp and we just win we'll finish second.

    Thanks, I hadn't worked that out.Should be and interesting semi whomever it is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭former total


    jacothelad wrote: »
    Would you guys like some cheese with the whine?


    Perhaps the Ulster team read this article by perrenial show pony 8 Victor Costello.


    http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/leinster-rugby/cullens-men-should-be-able-to-make-ulster-faithful-sit-back-in-awe-of-them-34668491.html
    "
    Cullen's men should be able to make Ulster faithful sit back in awe of them"



    Victor Costello, the man who put the 'aw' in awful.:D

    Nice magnanimity in victory there. Classy guy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,935 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    Hagz wrote: »
    Boards needs to get away from this mindset that a negative comment about the ref is an insinuation that he's favouring one side.

    Clancy had a poor game with a lot of second guessing.

    I stand by that comment. Do I have to put a disclaimer at the bottom of each post saying

    *THIS DOES NOT MEAN IT'S FAVOURING ONE SIDE.

    "Because they give out about every ref. All of them."
    Don't be so insecure. You're side won and deserved to win.

    One thing I can absolutely assure of is that I am in no way insecure. You're not big on irony are you? And a whole dose of others seem to completely lose all sense of self-awareness when things don't go their way. Maybe it's simply that I was wrong in assuming that it was mostly adults who posted on here. Most of that stuff sounds like the whine of children who have had their ball confiscated by a grown up.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭yosser hughes


    jacothelad wrote: »
    One thing I can absolutely assure of is that I am in no way insecure..

    ah, you are a bit I think.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭Hagz


    Speaking of self-awareness, are you self aware that you quoted 19 separate posts and linked an article by Victor Costello all to leave the comment "Would you guys like some cheese with the whine"?

    As long as you're enjoying yourself Jaco. Carry on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,935 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    Nice magnanimity in victory there. Classy guy.
    Maybe you should get someone to read out the various posts I quoted. Maybe hearing them rather than reading them might give you pause for thought though I doubt you have that capacity foe neutrality. I'm not commenting on the game but on the posts and how 'classy' they are. I doubt if some of their authors would know' class' if it kicked then in the 'nads.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,427 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Tbqh I'm not even sure why you quoted me.

    My criticisms were about how poor Leisnter were. Oh, and that remark from Howe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    swiwi_ wrote: »
    Clancy was fine. 1st penalty try was a 50/50 call otherwise I didn't spot any major howlers.

    I don't think blaming the ref is uniquely an Ulster thing. It's basically de rigueur on this forum for most games.

    Ref definitely was not the reason Leinster lost/Ulster won.

    I can only assume you weren't paying full attention... He was really poor.

    That mess before Ulster's 3rd try was typical of the embarrassment. They take a quick lineout. He shouts play on. Noone listens to him. The Ulster player stops. He changes his mind hoping noone notices it and brings everyone up for a lineout in Leinster's 22. That's just one example. He's just not very good.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Swan Curry


    lol, ulster fans of all people lecturing others for complaining about clancy


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭Crimsonforce


    I still think glasgow have the beating of both teams on display today


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭former total


    jacothelad wrote: »
    Maybe you should get someone to read out the various posts I quoted. Maybe hearing them rather than reading them might give you pause for thought though I doubt you have that capacity foe neutrality. I'm not commenting on the game but on the posts and how 'classy' they are. I doubt if some of their authors would know' class' if it kicked then in the 'nads.


    You're spoiling your own enjoyment of a great win just to score points on an anonymous forum.

    You should be in great form. Just seems a bit odd and a bit depressing really.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,935 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    Hagz wrote: »
    Speaking of self-awareness, are you self aware that you quoted 19 separate posts and linked an article by Victor Costello all to leave the comment "Would you guys like some cheese and whine"?

    As long as you're enjoying yourself Jaco. Carry on.

    I'm sorry you don't get the point but then maybe it was a bit over your head. The whole thread began by making sneering comments about a whole set of rugby fans and then proceeded into a cavalcade of posts that did almost exactly what the sneering suggested. I'm not enjoying it at all. In fact it is very depressing to read such childish bilge, often from people who are very clued in to the game in general.

    I did enjoy the Costello bit I have to say. Big Vic does talk some claptrap but it doesn't usually get into the Indo. The cheese and whine bit was nothing to do with Victor. There was a time when rugby supporters didn't behave in that way and it's a constant shame that it has gone down this road. Comments like "When does the booing start?", are pretty much the purview of the thoughtless, ill-informed cretin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,427 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    I still think glasgow have the beating of both teams on display today

    On current form they're the best side in the competition.

    I think only Connacht are match for the skills wise and even then Glasgow have the edge up front.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,935 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    Swan Curry wrote: »
    lol, ulster fans of all people lecturing others for complaining about clancy

    QED. Thanks.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,935 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    You're spoiling your own enjoyment of a great win just to score points on an anonymous forum.

    You should be in great form. Just seems a bit odd and a bit depressing really.

    The depressing thing for me is how such awful manners and appalling behaviour is now seen on here as o.k.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Swan Curry


    jacothelad wrote: »
    The depressing thing for me is how such awful manners and appalling behaviour is now seen on here as o.k.

    you care way too much about dumb posts on a website


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭Billysays no


    Clegg wrote: »
    On current form they're the best side in the competition.

    I think only Connacht are match for the skills wise and even then Glasgow have the edge up front.
    Correct me if I'm wrong but ulster looked pretty damn skilful today. When pienaar gets his act together it tends to help.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    I like the way Jaco quotes the description of the folk North of the wall! I'm sure he displays a similar outrage/sense of humour when Leinster fans are described as Mexicans! Thankfully most understand the intent :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    You mistake Jacothelad folks, it's just Ulster Pashun.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭A-Train


    jacothelad wrote: »
    Would you guys like some cheese with the whine?


    Perhaps the Ulster team read this article by perrenial show pony 8 Victor Costello.


    http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/leinster-rugby/cullens-men-should-be-able-to-make-ulster-faithful-sit-back-in-awe-of-them-34668491.html
    "
    Cullen's men should be able to make Ulster faithful sit back in awe of them"



    Victor Costello, the man who put the 'aw' in awful.:D

    You can call it what you want, the point still stands that a ref that is regularly slated on this forum for a perceived bias nearly against Ulster gave them a lot of favourable decisions today!

    Fair enough you say, that's sport but the reason why Clancy was commented on today was the sheer inconsistency in his calls, pinging one team for high tackles and ignoring the other team 5 mins later.

    Consistency and confidence in their calls is what from a ref and frankly that was not on display today. Did it have a bearing on the result today, yes, were Ulster the better team today, yes, were Leinster a shambles in attack, yes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭former total


    So anyway.

    No, Clancy didn't cost us the game. The two yellows were correct but the penalty try was very harsh. We still went in 10-6 down at half time and very much in the game.

    The second half was just brutal though. No direction. Once the rolling maul failed to deliver, we just ran out of ideas.

    For the semi final, we must play Luke at 12 and Te'o at 13. No debate. Kearney in for Triggs, pray that O'Brien is back and drop Isa for Kirchner.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    So anyway.

    No, Clancy didn't cost us the game. The two yellows were correct but the penalty try was very harsh. We still went in 10-6 down at half time and very much in the game.

    The second half was just brutal though. No direction. Once the rolling maul failed to deliver, we just ran out of ideas.

    For the semi final, we must play Luke at 12 and Te'o at 13. No debate. Kearney in for Triggs, pray that O'Brien is back and drop Isa for Kirchner.

    I'd agree with all of that. I think Ringrose may be kept over Fitz but I'm happy with that call either way, they both bring something different. It may be Fitz on the left wing with DK on the right.

    We should have been more dominant up front. I'm hoping Leo will demand a lot more than that from the pack because they were below par today. Handling errors in the tight were so frustrating


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭Billysays no


    jacothelad wrote: »
    Would you guys like some cheese with the whine?


    Perhaps the Ulster team read this article by perrenial show pony 8 Victor Costello.


    http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/leinster-rugby/cullens-men-should-be-able-to-make-ulster-faithful-sit-back-in-awe-of-them-34668491.html
    "
    Cullen's men should be able to make Ulster faithful sit back in awe of them"



    Victor Costello, the man who put the 'aw' in awful.:D

    Living in Leinster I had the priveledge of getting the Leinster supplement with this amazing headline in it. The shock and awe effect. I had to internally smile and then cringe.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    So anyway.

    No, Clancy didn't cost us the game. The two yellows were correct but the penalty try was very harsh. We still went in 10-6 down at half time and very much in the game.

    The second half was just brutal though. No direction. Once the rolling maul failed to deliver, we just ran out of ideas.

    For the semi final, we must play Luke at 12 and Te'o at 13. No debate. Kearney in for Triggs, pray that O'Brien is back and drop Isa for Kirchner.

    Or alternatively drop T'eo and play Luke at 12 with Ringrose at 13. The one thing we are certain of is that T'eo isn't even close to being a 12 and is a waste of a backline.


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