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Gangland Shootings in Dublin MOD Warning in Post #1 (updated 29/05/16)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭gangstergossip


    seerscryer wrote: »
    The person who allegedly made that comment to the Gardai was Gately, one of the ERU shooters who perpetrated the Regency Hotel attack! What amazes me is why the perpetrators have not been arrested as the Gardai know almost everything concerning the attack!

    Incidentally, it is believed that there were undercover Gardai at the Regency Hotel attack. Although in fairness they were unarmed and could not have done anything to apprehend the perpetrators. Although this belies the comments made by the Garda Commissioner in the aftermath of the shooting, if indeed she knew of these undercover Gardai?

    it wouldnt surprise me if there were undercover gardai at it seen as the sunday world were talking about all the cartel members that would be at the hotel weeks before it happened, maybe thats why there is no arrests been made would be very embarrassing for the guards if the attack happened rigth in front of there undercover officers and they escaped then as well. From your sources were the 3 shooters in garda gear then gately rb and gf?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 562 ✭✭✭Larsso30


    I thought RB and F bros sided with kinahan side? That's what a paper claimed other day and we're on opposite side of Gatley?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭The flying mouse


    seerscryer wrote: »
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Boom_Bap View Post
    MOD
    No. Even if this is a joke, we will not agree that someone needs to be murdered and that type of discussion is not tolerated.
    Apologies, I'm just sick of one side being battered. I hate bullies.All this prob wouldn't have happened if Gary Hutch wasn't murdered by his so called associates!

    I personally do not see a good side here nor do I see a "bully"! My understanding of the situation is that the feud started when a ex boxer by the name of Jamie Moore was shot it the grounds of Kinahan's son's villa, allegedly by Patrick Hutch, the younger brother of Gary Hutch, who was later allegedly, the "drag queen" assailant at the Regency Hotel attack!

    This was, as I understand to be the actually beginning of this so called "feud". Later it has been suggested that when the Kinahans realised that the earstwhile friend Gary Hutch had actually been involved in what it now seems the Kinahan faction believe was a murder attempt on Daniel Kinahan, he was murdered. Furthermore, there was a second murder attempt on Daniel Kinahan at a boxing event at the Red Cow Hotel, although the newpapers (in their wisdom) reported this as a murder attempt on Liam Roe (who was not actually in attendance on the night).

    Finally it would appear that the Regency Hotel attack (If indeed the former reports are true) was the third attempt on the life of Daniel Kinahan. I would see this as sufficient provocation if one was a criminal drug dealing gang to try to eradicate your enemies! What I think the question should be, who was really behind the initial attack, because I cannot believe that Gary Hutch or Patrick Hutch conspired on their own to attempt to murder Kinahan, who had by all accounts been very close with Gary Hutch! Does anyone have an opinion on this?
    seerscryer wrote: »
    Kinahan Senior, hasn't met Gerry "the Monk" Hutch in more than 14 years according to the reports that I have seen. There was no deal reached between Christy Kinahan and Gerry Hutch! But there are reports that Christy Kinahan met with Patsy and Johnny Hutch in an airport in Spain to de escalate things after the Red Cow attempt on his son's life.

    My reports say that it is believed that Kinahan was of the opinion that everyone was to meet in attempt to resolve their differences and that there would be a cease fire until this meeting took place, the meeting, I believe happened in January of this year. It came as a great shock to him by all accounts when the Regency Hotel attack was perpetrated.

    Futhermore, contrary to all newspaper reports no money was ever received by the Kinahan's from the Hutchs for any reason. This was what they said in a statement to the Sunday Times newspaper and it was circulated as factual and still is!
    seerscryer wrote: »
    POA is correct Kinahan snr., born in London. Went to school in a catholic high school in Greenford. Family came back to Ireland in 71, he went to O'Connell's CBS Ballybough. Studied Open University in Prison, as the PO would know! Won a scholarship to TCD studying Single honours Psychology in 1991 on his release from Prison.

    Kinahan senior was extradited to Belgium to finish off a 4 year prison sentence for money laundering in 2011 was released in 2013 and is still living in Spain despite reports to the contrary. He was spotted two weeks ago by Spanish undercover police having breakfast near Puerto Banus with his buddy John Cunningham. He was again spotted in a golf course club house the following day. However, they lost him and he has gone to ground, whereabouts unknown. Why can the newspapers not research their articles and give us the facts 60% of this info is a matter of public record perhaps even more!!!

    Lastly, conspiracy theory concerning "RB" who is known is untrue, but has become an urban myth and this is doing the rounds!


    This is the closest to the truth of this as far as I know, but of course we are all open to correction.;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭The flying mouse


    seerscryer wrote: »
    Finally it would appear that the Regency Hotel attack (If indeed the former reports are true) was the third attempt on the life of Daniel Kinahan. I would see this as sufficient provocation if one was a criminal drug dealing gang to try to eradicate your enemies! What I think the question should be, who was really behind the initial attack, because I cannot believe that Gary Hutch or Patrick Hutch conspired on their own to attempt to murder Kinahan, who had by all accounts been very close with Gary Hutch! Does anyone have an opinion on this?


    It be just an opinion of mine that the plan was to take out leading members of the costas,GH as he had lived in Spain and a trusted member,and knew all the contacts in there world,would have stepped up to run things from there,his associates in this would have then run and controlled 80% of the drugs into Ireland and huge shipments into uk and elsewhere in Europe, The dissos then would have begun taxing every dealer in Dublin and beyond,like Alan Ryan tried.

    It had to have backing and direction from more experienced long time criminals, how far it went up the ladder is anyone's guess ? But it's high enough.The whole plan has backfired dramatically and I cant see it ending in the immediate future just yet, there are still scores to settle .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭seerscryer


    Larsso30 wrote: »
    I thought RB and F bros sided with kinahan side? That's what a paper claimed other day and we're on opposite side of Gatley?

    I would have to say that I agree with you on that!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭seerscryer


    It be just an opinion of mine that the plan was to take out leading members of the costas,GH as he had lived in Spain and a trusted member,and knew all the contacts in there world,would have stepped up to run things from there,his associates in this would have then run and controlled 80% of the drugs into Ireland and huge shipments into uk and elsewhere in Europe, The dissos then would have begun taxing every dealer in Dublin and beyond,like Alan Ryan tried.

    It had to have backing and direction from more experienced long time criminals, how far it went up the ladder is anyone's guess ? But it's high enough.The whole plan has backfired dramatically and I cant see it ending in the immediate future just yet, there are still scores to settle .

    Of course this is only a theory of mine, but I think you may been moving in the right direction, however, there is no evidence that I have seen to support this that I have seen or heard of. But there is certainly a lot of circumstantial support for this argument and a number of coincidental meetings that would support this line of thought! Who knows? The Gardai know a lot more than they are letting on that's for sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭gangstergossip


    the guards main target seems to be the dissidents who they seem to think is the main threat to the state so my opinion would be that the guards want to see the side the dissidents are on to lose


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 260 ✭✭Jimlh86


    That's why I was asking were they still in the country, I thought the cops would have them pulled in by now.

    I get where you and the previous poster are coming from but bring them in and put why evidence to them exactly? Everyone knows it's you?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    Any bad blood between the kinahans and the russians?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭gangstergossip


    if rb and the f bros are kinahan sided that sounds like the hutch side has **** all big hitters with them no wonder they are getting wiped out


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Benteke


    Their not the F bros they're cousins


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭gangstergossip


    Benteke wrote: »
    Their not the F bros they're cousins

    still if there kinahan sided hutch side looks thread bare


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Benteke


    They're both thread bare, Take one or 2 out on both sides then you are left with a couple of dunces who would not know how to run a tap, Many are walking around coked up to keep themselves awake because they are paro that their next for the pearly gates

    If true that the Hutch side have the support of the ra then their pretty big hitters, I'm sure they will retaliate but I'm getting the impression it would be more spectacular to take out as many as possible instead of one at a time, Either way the government need to to take their heads out of their backsides and start tackling the problem instead of trying to save their own bacon


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭gangstergossip


    Benteke wrote: »
    They're both thread bare, Take one or 2 out on both sides then you are left with a couple of dunces who would not know how to run a tap, Many are walking around coked up to keep themselves awake because they are paro that their next for the pearly gates

    kinahan side dont seem thread bare at all rb and gf and bf would be with them then so it seems then liam byrne liam roe fat freddie paul rice all heavy hitters in gangland in their own right then they have the griffin brothers and prenderville doing the dirty work in prison seem the kinahans are easily the bigger side in this


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Benteke


    kinahan side dont seem thread bare at all rb and gf and bf would be with them then so it seems then liam byrne liam roe fat freddie paul rice all heavy hitters in gangland in their own right then they have the griffin brothers and prenderville doing the dirty work in prison seem the kinahans are easily the bigger side in this

    If the Hutches have the support from the north then they have competition, No retaliation from the Hutch side is telling that they have something planned and dare I say it the best hitmen are on the Hutch side, It's like talking about Love/Hate but it's real life, kinahans use junkies the hutches use pros


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭gangstergossip


    IRA have released a statement admitting mickey barr was a IRA volunteer they claim he had no involvment with the hutch kinahan feud and are claiming the state somehow had a hand in his death and are trying to draw the IRA in to a feud with a criminal gang they also state the weapons used in the regency are nothing to do with the IRA. This just get stranger and stranger


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭gangstergossip


    Benteke wrote: »
    If the Hutches have the support from the north then they have competition, No retaliation from the Hutch side is telling that they have something planned and dare I say it the best hitmen are on the Hutch side, It's like talking about Love/Hate but it's real life, kinahans use junkies the hutches use pros

    i would have thought gf was the best hitman involved in the whole thing this hitman your referring to isnt the drag queen by any chance because he seems to be useless from what i gather


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Benteke


    IRA have released a statement admitting mickey barr was a IRA volunteer they claim he had no involvment with the hutch kinahan feud and are claiming the state somehow had a hand in his death and are trying to draw the IRA in to a feud with a criminal gang they also state the weapons used in the regency are nothing to do with the IRA. This just get stranger and stranger

    History shows when they say one thing they mean another


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Benteke


    i would have thought gf was the best hitman involved in the whole thing this hitman your referring to isnt the drag queen by any chance because he seems to be useless from what i gather

    Not talking about the drag, Theirs others who have been involved in the more professional hit ie the don etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭gangstergossip


    Benteke wrote: »
    Not talking about the drag, Theirs others who have been involved in the more professional hit ie the don etc

    from what i heard gf gavin abbot who is now dead and a convicted sex offender (who i still dont know who is) were all part of the dunne hit team


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Benteke


    I can only go by what I heard and I would not underestimate the hutch side in all of this they are pretty handy, I would usually say let them wipe each other out but the shooting of the young lad in sheriff st shows that does not work


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Benteke


    from what i heard gf gavin abbot who is now dead and a convicted sex offender (who i still dont know who is) were all part of the dunne hit team

    BF was a convicted sex offender could it be him? I was told someone on the hutch side was involved I don't know if he fired the shots I can't say for sure


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,913 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    JustTheOne wrote: »
    I think it's pretty clear now that dissidents helped a certain side.

    Is it though, or was it just one loose cannon/gun for hire, the late Mr Barr?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭gangstergossip


    Benteke wrote: »
    BF was a convicted sex offender could it be him? I was told someone on the hutch side was involved I don't know if he fired the shots I can't say for sure


    yea it could be him i heard the sex offender was just a spotter and abbott was the driver while gf and a 35 year old taxi driver went in with guns


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭gangstergossip


    Is it though, or was it just one loose cannon/gun for hire, the late Mr Barr?

    the IRA are claimin barr as a member but saying he had notjing to do with the feud and i dont see them mentioning anythig about getting revenge which is quiet strange, their just saying the state had something to do with barrs murder and that their trying to draw the dissidents into a criminal feud


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    Is it though, or was it just one loose cannon/gun for hire, the late Mr Barr?

    What was flatcap doing at the hotel shooting then?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭gangstergossip


    apparently flat cap was booted out of dissident organisation long before that for his ties to criminality looks like just a gun for hire, the only connection i see between him and barr is their from the same county


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 541 ✭✭✭poa


    the IRA are claimin barr as a member but saying he had notjing to do with the feud and i dont see them mentioning anythig about getting revenge which is quiet strange, their just saying the state had something to do with barrs murder and that their trying to draw the dissidents into a criminal feud

    Barr and the New IRA took over from Alan Ryan and the Real IRA. He was part of 6 New IRA that planned the Regency Shooting, and supplied the AK47's. He was closely linked to flatcap.
    Hutch paid Barr to carry out the Regency shooting, Daniel was the number one target.
    There wont be any retaliation from the New IRA as the SDU are closely monitoring Daniel and Fat Freddy etc; they are too hot to go near. The New IRA have the arms, and finance (via Hutch) to carry out more hits on the Regency scale. The problem being they don't have the level of intelligence that the Kinahan's have.
    Daniel has the arms, funds, and intelligence to carry out further hits on the New IRA and Hutches. Eddie Hutch was the number one target at the Sunset House, but as he fled Barr was number two.
    I don't see a retaliation coming from the Hutch's as the Kinahan's are all protected by the SDU's monitoring.
    It actually suits the SDU that the Kinahan's are wiping out dissidents such as Barr in Dublin. When it comes to Kinahan's v New IRA/Hutch's the SDU see the Kinahan's as the lesser of two evils.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭Ally Dick


    poa wrote: »
    Eddie Hutch was the number one target at the Sunset House, but as he fled Barr was number two

    Sorry to be pedantic. I assume you mean Ross ?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 541 ✭✭✭poa


    Ally Dick wrote: »
    Sorry to be pedantic. I assume you mean Ross ?

    Apologies, yes I meant to type Ross not Eddie.


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