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Gangland Shootings in Dublin MOD Warning in Post #1 (updated 29/05/16)

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  • #2762
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,415 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Prime Time tonight dealing with who those involved in the feud are if any of you want an additional fix.

    Well that was utter ****e.


  • #2763
    Riverireland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭Riverireland


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Well that was utter ****e.

    That report in itself tells a lot. In a nutshell it had to be covered but as little as possible. Hardly Primetime Investigates, so much for journalism.


  • #2764
    Peter Anthony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 454 ✭✭Peter Anthony


    Whats the deal with murder in Clondalkin? Personal feud? Wonder did the killer make an opportunistic move with the other murder after happening. Also wonder is it related to this. http://www.sundayworld.com/news/crimedesk/house-with-sleeping-petrol-bombed


  • #2765
    Augme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    Allyall wrote: »
    They should post a couple of Gardaí on every route in/out of Drumcondra. It seems to be where every car used in a hit, is found burnt out.


    And what about other crime in the area? Should resources not be put towards that? Posting Gardai on every route in and out of Drumcondra 24hours(or even 12 hours a day) seems like a really poor use of limited resources.


  • #2766
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,913 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    This forum really needs an emoticon denoting jokes (or 'facetious remarks') going over people's heads...


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  • #2767
    Ally Dick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭Ally Dick


    HeidiHeidi wrote: »
    Are you seriously suggesting that Gardai are sitting around the corner for five or ten minutes before rushing up to a scene of a shooting, because they think they're not paid enough or might be in danger??

    Of all the daft theories that have been put out on this thread, that just trumps them all.

    Not daft. Work to rule tactics. They don't feel paid well enough or equipped enough to do their job, so they're letting mayhem ensue so that they get more money and better equipment. I wouldn't have a problem with them being armed to be honest


  • #2768
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,656 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    The feud is starting to remind me of the Departed in many ways- who is working for who. or as the Frenchman, in the Munich movie, said to Avner: oh believe me, you don't know who you really work for. one state employee goes to work looking to uphold the law, another seeks to undermine it because he/she is greedy sod.

    i will take it all back about Paul Williams if he exposes the extent of the corruption by state actors involved with these gangs.


  • #2769
    Esel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,126 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    nacho libre wrote: »
    The feud is starting to remind me of the Departed in many ways- who is working for who. or as the Frenchman, in the Munich movie, said to Avner: oh believe me, you don't know who you really work for. one state employee goes to work looking to uphold the law, another seeks to undermine it because he/she is greedy sod.

    i will take it all back about Paul Williams if he exposes the extent of the corruption by state actors involved with these gangs.

    We need input from Major Sniffington-Eurbutt of the twenty committee, but don't hold your breath. I read one time that a genuine paranoiac does not say "If you knew what I know" - rather, they say "I know".

    Not your ornery onager



  • #2770
    dakid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭dakid


    nacho libre wrote:
    The feud is starting to remind me of the Departed in many ways- who is working for who. or as the Frenchman, in the Munich movie, said to Avner: oh believe me, you don't know who you really work for. one state employee goes to work looking to uphold the law, another seeks to undermine it because he/she is greedy sod.
    And what exactly have you seen in this feufto say this reminds you of the departed or Munich?


  • #2771
    topmanamillion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    We need CAB and it's Spanish equivalent to get motoring.
    It's ridiculous that Kinahan can sit untouched in Spain and Hutch sit in Dublin while this all goes on.
    Attack their fortunes. Cut off the head and the beast dies.


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  • #2772
    Esel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,126 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    topmanamillion wrote: »
    We need CAB and it's Spanish equivalent to get motoring.
    It's ridiculous that Kinahan can sit untouched in Spain and Hutch sit in Dublin while this all goes on.
    Attack their fortunes. Cut off the head and the beast dies.

    Corruption in Spain? Since the civil war? Nevar!

    Not your ornery onager



  • #2773
    Simon2015
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Simon2015


    We need someone like Charles Bronson to clean up Dublin.



  • #2774
    gangstergossip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭gangstergossip


    i wonder if the clondalkin murder had anything to do with the notorious nelly who is currently serving a sentence


  • #2775
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,656 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    dakid wrote: »
    And what exactly have you seen in this feufto say this reminds you of the departed or Munich?


    Are you freaking serious? You can't see what is going on dakid- if that even really is your real name?


  • #2776
    wokingvoter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 828 ✭✭✭wokingvoter


    Peter Anthony wrote: »
    The victim did work? He was working at the time he was killed! He was a barman and recently became pub manager. I suppose that doesn't suit the narrative you're going for.

    That pub is a notorious republican house. He may have been titled "pub manager" but that's not what his role was when he died.
    You do realise that the victim was a dissident republican linked at the highest level to the gang who shot David Byrne in the Regency?
    Do you think he was working as a barman to supplement his meagre income from the drugs importing/cigarette smuggling/protection business?
    You need to get more informed about all this stuff because you seem naive.
    6 men are dead. 1 in mistaken identity. Even he didn't nor has ever had a job. The others are criminals. Did you think that they were working men?


  • #2777
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    wokingvoter wrote: »
    You need to get more informed about all this stuff because you seem naive.
    6 men are dead. 1 in mistaken identity. Even he didn't nor has ever had a job. The others are criminals. Did you think that they were working men?

    Aren't you a charmer. And there's at least two dead (as I recall) that were entirely innocent of connections to the whole thing. Wasn't there a young lad, a plumber's apprentice shot on the doorstep? I grant that this might be an unconnected bit of ganglandism though.


  • #2778
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    The cartel want another fifteen whacked according to the papers

    Can they be stopped

    Stay tuned


  • #2779
    wokingvoter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 828 ✭✭✭wokingvoter


    Samaris wrote: »
    Aren't you a charmer. And there's at least two dead (as I recall) that were entirely innocent of connections to the whole thing. Wasn't there a young lad, a plumber's apprentice shot on the doorstep? I grant that this might be an unconnected bit of ganglandism though.

    My husband left the house this morning at 7 to cycle to work in a meat factory for 12 hours. He cycles because although we're both working 30 years we can't afford 2 cars. Forgive me please if I sound sarcastic about people who are up to their tits in the proceeds of ill gotten gains being referred to as "working" class. I'm so sorry if that offends your politically correct delicate sensibilities.
    The unfortunate man who was the victim of mistaken identity was not working class either. He was a drug addict who nonetheless managed to begat 3 children who us, the real working class, will continue to feed house and clothe for many years to come.
    I'm a socialist myself. Every society has people who cannot look out for themselves.
    Ireland is currently home to many.
    Just don't ask me to queue up to concede that they are all victims because they're not.


  • #2780
    Peter Anthony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 454 ✭✭Peter Anthony


    wokingvoter wrote: »
    That pub is a notorious republican house. He may have been titled "pub manager" but that's not what his role was when he died.
    You do realise that the victim was a dissident republican linked at the highest level to the gang who shot David Byrne in the Regency?
    Do you think he was working as a barman to supplement his meagre income from the drugs importing/cigarette smuggling/protection business?
    You need to get more informed about all this stuff because you seem naive.
    6 men are dead. 1 in mistaken identity. Even he didn't nor has ever had a job. The others are criminals. Did you think that they were working men?
    You're naive, you've already been shown to be wrong. There is no evidence the victim was involved in drugs importing, smuggling cigarettes or protection. It would be all over the papers for a start. Any dissident republican involved in drug smuggling would be left in a ditch, it goes against everything they stand for.

    Anyway this is not the point, the point is he had a job and was working at the time, so he did work. You can pontificate that none of these people are working people and extra income etc but as far as most people are concerned having a job means working. The Local Politicians seemed to say likewise.


  • #2781
    wokingvoter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 828 ✭✭✭wokingvoter


    Peter Anthony wrote: »
    You're naive, you've already been shown to be wrong. There is no evidence the victim was involved in drugs importing, smuggling cigarettes or protection. It would be all over the papers for a start. Any dissident republican involved in drug smuggling would be left in a ditch, it goes against everything they stand for.

    Anyway this is not the point, the point is he had a job and was working at the time, so he did work. You can pontificate that none of these people are working people and extra income etc but as far as most people are concerned having a job means working. The Local Politicians seemed to say likewise.

    So in your opinion he was shot because.........?
    Also, you honestly think dissident republicans aren't involved in organised crime?


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  • #2782
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 19,178 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Peter Anthony wrote: »
    Any dissident republican involved in drug smuggling would be left in a ditch, it goes against everything they stand for.

    LOL !


  • #2783
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,204 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    wokingvoter wrote: »
    ...I'm a socialist myself...

    I'm not.
    wokingvoter wrote: »
    ..My husband left the house this morning at 7 to cycle to work in a meat factory for 12 hours. He cycles because although we're both working 30 years we can't afford 2 cars...

    ...and that's why. Good, decent people live in drudgery while dysfunctional, illiterate animals lord it over them.


  • #2784
    chillin117
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 736 ✭✭✭chillin117


    STB. wrote: »
    Are you alright there pal.

    The papers say it.
    It says Bovril on the Buses but they don't sell it


  • #2785
    Turquoise Hexagon Sun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 532 ✭✭✭Turquoise Hexagon Sun


    A huge amount of dissident republicans are involved in drug-related crime. That's a fact. It's not for us to prove that they aren't, when we know they are by the wealth of evidence out there.. The burden of proof is on you to prove that they aren't Peter Anthony.

    This guy wasn't innocent by any means. Is it right what happened? No. But was he innocent and not involved in the criminal underworld? Definitely not.

    If any thing, their punishment beatings for drug-dealing are so they have more control over the drug trade or a part of them self-governing the community in places where the RUC/PSNI aren't to be trusted and they take matters in to their own hands.


  • #2786
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    wokingvoter wrote: »
    My husband left the house this morning at 7 to cycle to work in a meat factory for 12 hours. He cycles because although we're both working 30 years we can't afford 2 cars. Forgive me please if I sound sarcastic about people who are up to their tits in the proceeds of ill gotten gains being referred to as "working" class. I'm so sorry if that offends your politically correct delicate sensibilities.
    The unfortunate man who was the victim of mistaken identity was not working class either. He was a drug addict who nonetheless managed to begat 3 children who us, the real working class, will continue to feed house and clothe for many years to come.
    I'm a socialist myself. Every society has people who cannot look out for themselves.
    Ireland is currently home to many.
    Just don't ask me to queue up to concede that they are all victims because they're not.

    Er, sorry for your loss? O.o

    I mean...what? Excuse my delicate PC sensibilities and all that, but I can't help think that a guy not involved in organised crime who gets shot dead by an assassin is...yeah, you know, a victim. A dead one. It's really not okay that that man is dead because he was a homeless drug addict and not contributing to society (unlike you and your husband who can't afford a second car. Which sucks and all, but it's a bit first world problem compared to being shot in the head.)

    Edit: Aha, going back a few pages and playing the pronoun game, I think you were mostly referring to the barman who appears to have been a dissident Republican. It begins to make a bit more sense now.


  • #2787
    JC01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭JC01


    Peter Anthony wrote: »
    :pac:

    I'm not the one making serious unfounded allegations here, how is the burden of proof on me! If "it's a fact" then you can prove it? Where is the wealth of evidence Dissidents are involved in drug smuggling? Where is any evidence?

    The issue was drug smuggling, changing it to "drug related crime" is a different issue. It's well known about the punishment shootings and extorting drug dealers, but actual drug smuggling is a different matter entirely.

    "The RA" are up to their proverbials in drugs and to think otherwise shows a complete lack of knowledge on the subject. Only the most ignorant of "republican" fantasists still cling to the holier-than-thou crap that a dissident would end up ina ditch for dealing.


  • #2788
    dakid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭dakid


    nacho libre wrote:
    Are you freaking serious? You can't see what is going on dakid- if that even really is your real name?
    Sorry no I haven't a clue what you are referring to please explain.


  • #2789
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    JC01 wrote: »
    "The RA" are up to their proverbials in drugs and to think otherwise shows a complete lack of knowledge on the subject. Only the most ignorant of "republican" fantasists still cling to the holier-than-thou crap that a dissident would end up ina ditch for dealing.

    I always find this strange.

    There is no real evidence of this apart from what the papers write, yet people clearly know the papers write anything to sell papers, but will believe what they write about dissidents.

    I'm not saying it's not true but I never see any clear evidence.


  • #2790
    armaghlad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,660 ✭✭✭armaghlad


    JustTheOne wrote: »
    I always find this strange.

    There is no real evidence of this apart from what the papers write, yet people clearly know the papers write anything to sell papers, but will believe what they write about dissidents.

    I'm not saying it's not true but I never see any clear evidence.
    Yeah I remember the Provos used to actively shoot dead drug dealers under the guise of DAAD. Later there was RAAD which I think comes under the 'New IRA' umbrella group. But yeah clearly Republicans are up to their arms in drugs


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  • #2791
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,947 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    armaghlad wrote: »
    Yeah I remember the Provos used to actively shoot dead drug dealers under the guise of DAAD. Later there was RAAD which I think comes under the 'New IRA' umbrella group. But yeah clearly Republicans are up to their arms in drugs

    yeah but they only shot drug dealers that wouldnt pay them protection money.


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