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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

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  • #3962
    Cathy.C
    Closed Accounts Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Cathy.C


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    At least Nate has tweeted now that he's going on vacation. No matter what McGregor tweets now, that's taken the rug from under him.

    How the hell would that tweet be taking the rug from under him?? If he had tweeted that he was fighting someone else at 200, now that would be taking the rug from under him. This is clearly Nate making it clear, yet again, that he either fights Conor at 200 or he is going on vacation.

    Nate is a big name fighter, even bigger since he beat Conor and right now UFC 200 needs as many big names on that card as it can get and he has effectively said he only fights at 200 if Conor is his opponent. Not saying the fight will go ahead at 200 but if anything, this strengthens McGregor's position, not weakens it.


  • #3963
    zpehtsfd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭zpehtsfd


    Swashbuckler wrote: »
    What difference does the private jet make? Correct me if I'm wrong but it was a two week promotional tour. Not just a quick press conference. There's no comparison. Diaz has a history of being unreliable. Conor has broken his back promoting for the past few years.

    Where did you hear about it being a 2 week tour? Thought it was just a few days myself.
    JustShon wrote: »
    They all got private jets according to Dana, he was asked about it at the press conference.

    Was referring to the time Nick Diaz went awol.


  • #3964
    Spudman_20000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    The NYC press conference is tomorrow, where I'd imagine they'll announce Booooo Boooooo Vs Ring Rust.

    Maybe this was the plan all long? There probably wouldn't be enough PPV cheese to go around with another headliner fight on the card, so they're moving Conor Vs Nate to 201.

    Hmmm, these tin foil hats are snug.


  • #3965
    Swashbuckler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    zpehtsfd wrote: »
    Where did you hear about it being a 2 week tour? Thought it was just a few days myself.



    Was referring to the time Nick Diaz went awol.

    It's a whole tour right? Vegas, Stockton, New York. It wasn't just a matter of showing up to the presser last Friday and heading back home for camp.


  • #3966
    zpehtsfd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭zpehtsfd


    Swashbuckler wrote: »
    It's a whole tour right? Vegas, Stockton, New York. It wasn't just a matter of showing up to the presser last Friday and heading back home for camp.

    Right but i thought they were doing the promo vid between locations so still less then a week unless something after NY?


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  • #3967
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    Swashbuckler wrote: »
    It's a whole tour right? Vegas, Stockton, New York. It wasn't just a matter of showing up to the presser last Friday and heading back home for camp.

    Plus, a press tour for Conor is not the same experience as for Aldo, etc. How many interviews? Dozens?


  • #3968
    .ak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    zpehtsfd wrote: »
    Right but i thought they were doing the promo vid between locations so still less then a week unless something after NY?

    Put in travel and you've effectively written off 2 weeks of a training schedule.


  • #3969
    Cathy.C
    Closed Accounts Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Cathy.C


    CurryFlavoured wrote: »
    The way people try to twist things to big up Conor (mainly his grappling) makes me cringggee. Yes he was rocked but his 'attempt' at stopping the choke was abysmal....

    Of course it was abysmal. He had zero left. He was quite clearly close to being KO'd and you think that in such a state he should then have the ability to be at his best on the floor? Come on. That makes no sense. The fight was over.
    yes he reversed it but let's be honest Diaz was more than happy to go to his back. There are big question marks over Conor's ground game/grappling to put it nicely.

    And you talk about people twisting things to suit McGrgeor?

    Nate had no option but to go over as Conor hooked his ankle and forced it. Watch the round again.
    jones 19 wrote: »
    He did what, 2 spin kicks, hardly a drain of energy in the scheme of things. He's avoiding diaz and Dana could be in on it.

    5 and it all contributes. Plus his mother said he was on antibiotics :D
    Swashbuckler wrote: »
    Nick Diaz wen't awol and couldn't be contacted. Conor, to be fair, was in constant contact trying to get leeway on the Vegas presser. Agree or disagree with his actions but the two aren't comparable in my opinion.

    Totally different situation. That was in a September, the fight was in October and was really about not turning up for flights which the UFC had booked for him. Not just one flight but many and he also was uncontactable, even by members of his own team. He basically went AWOL. Conor on the other hand seemingly just asked to be left out of some early promo work, never went awol and nothing has been said to suggest that he has ever refused to speak with either Dana (or anyone else within the UFC). It in no way compares to the Nick Diaz situation tbf.


  • #3970
    Swashbuckler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    zpehtsfd wrote: »
    Right but i thought they were doing the promo vid between locations so still less then a week unless something after NY?

    Looks like I was off with the two weeks. I just recall reading Kavanaghs article in the42 and it all seemed very reasonable to me.

    http://www.the42.ie/john-kavanagh-column-april-25-2016-2733321-Apr2016/


  • #3971
    Cathy.C
    Closed Accounts Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Cathy.C


    Interesting ESPN article re: the financial side of not having McGregor vs Diaz II on the card.

    Full article here.
    While it's unclear whether McGregor is back on the July 9 card, as he suggested in a tweet on Sunday morning, White should make sure it happens.

    To put it bluntly, White conservatively has 45 million reasons why he needs to let go of his rage over McGregor and just let him fight -- as in $45 million he will leave on the table.

    For White, it was an important power play: Don't think you're ever too big for the UFC, because we'll always find someone to replace you.

    But this is different. This isn't any fighter. This is the guy whose bold talk and rags-to-riches story managed to break through like no male fighter ever had. This is a guy whose popularity prompted the producers of "Nightline" to call me in and do a piece on him ahead of his fight against Jose Aldo in UFC 194. They weren't doing that for anyone else.

    "We put up all the money, we're spending $10 million on the promotion of this fight and we can't even shoot a commercial with the main event?" White said last week, rationalizing why McGregor was being pulled out. "The whole production crew is here, they came in from L.A., shooting all these guys here. They've been shooting the commercial the last three days."

    McGregor, and this is not hyperbole, might be the greatest talker in sports since Muhammad Ali. The UFC can't get someone to go to McGregor? What is it about shooting on location in Las Vegas that truly matters?

    Let's get real. The guy's fake retirement tweet was the third-most retweeted athlete tweet of 2016, following Marshawn Lynch's retirement tweet and Kobe Bryant's tweet following his last game, in which he scored 60 points.

    White told ESPN that the first McGregor-Diaz fight (UFC 196) did 1.5 million pay-per-view buys. Now compare that to Jon Jones-Daniel Cormier, which seemed to be the alternative for the main event at UFC 200. The first go-around of that fight did 800,000 buys, at least according to Cormier.

    Let's conservatively say the difference between McGregor-Diaz II and Jones-Cormier II is 500,000 buys. If we believe White's numbers for UFC 196, plus we give that number a sharp 25 percent haircut given that McGregor lost to Diaz in early March, we're still at 525,000 more buys. At $70 a pop, that's $36.7 million in additional gross revenue to the UFC.

    White's philosophy, at least publicly, was that McGregor will fight again and the UFC will always have leverage over him when it doesn't get what it wants. In some sense, White was right. There isn't a competing place for McGregor to go that provides him with the audience that the UFC does.

    On the other hand, it didn't recognize that the UFC had huge plans to celebrate not only its survival but its "thrival" with the 200th event. With McGregor back on the card, expect ticket prices to top that of 196 and expect attendance to be just as good. Assuming that, a live gate number of $10 million is achievable. Without McGregor, there's no way that much of a price jump can be justified, plus we'd expect to see empty seats. Difference to the live gate is then roughly $7 million. Throw in another $800,000 for additional merchandise royalties and concession revenue with more butts in the seats.

    So we're up to $44.5 million in additional revenue with McGregor in.

    White knows he can't leave $45 million on the table, and the hype around the 200 number offers millions more that he won't be able to get back in the future. That's why it would be a shock if McGregor isn't put back on the card.


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  • #3972
    Lukker-
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭Lukker-


    That article is psuedo-math that uses twitter posts as sources.

    Of course it's going to be worth considerably less buys for 200, but really I don't think that bothers the UFC too much. They will be reasonably happy if it clears over 1 million buys.

    The UFC strategy of late has been to try and stack every PPV card, it's better for them if they try and spread the big main events out over multiple PPV's and then focus on having a strong main card to supplement it. It doesn't exactly make financial sense to have 3 or 4 potential headliners on the same card from their perspective.


  • #3973
    darced
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  • #3974
    Lukker-
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    darced wrote: »
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    What the hell are you talking about?


  • #3975
    RoryMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    Cathy.C wrote: »
    Interesting ESPN article re: the financial side of not having McGregor vs Diaz II on the card.

    Full article here.

    There is no doubt UFC 200 will generate less money without McGregor but it's not lost money as such as it will come in when McGregor does fight Diaz or someone else.

    If anything it makes commercial sense to have McGregor prop up a less hyped card like 201 or 202.


  • #3976
    Cathy.C
    Closed Accounts Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Cathy.C


    Lukker- wrote: »
    That article is psuedo-math that uses twitter posts as sources.

    Of course it's going to be worth considerably less buys for 200, but really I don't think that bothers the UFC too much. They will be reasonably happy if it clears over 1 million buys.

    The UFC strategy of late has been to try and stack every PPV card, it's better for them if they try and spread the big main events out over multiple PPV's and then focus on having a strong main card to supplement it. It doesn't exactly make financial sense to have 3 or 4 potential headliners on the same card from their perspective.

    It's not just any card though, is it. It's 200. It's huge for UFC. Sure look how much is still talked about 100, which incidentally had 1.6m buys. Yes, a different time with less events blah blah blah, but the sport has grown quite considerably since then in terms of popularity and mainstream acceptance and so to do only 1m, as you suggest, could hardly be something UFC would be happy with.

    This whole story is starting to look to me like a case of Frankenstein, with Lorenzo being the creator and Conor the monster who must be stopped before he destroys everything. Maybe he took the 'We're here to take over' stuff a little too serious. The guy wanted to miss a presser and promos stuff three months before a fight. Boo hoo. If anyone is coming across like amateurs here it is the UFC. They are effectually diluting the very thing which has made them $400m -- McGregor's persona. With this naughty step nonsense they are taming him in the public eye. And he is what, supposed to go to 201, 202 (whereever) and sit there like a scolded child, but also be the same 'This is the McGregor show' trash talker?? Abysmal business decision and can only be down to someone within the UFC taking things too personal and so therefore perhaps Dave Meltzer was spot on with his remarks suggesting there was a power struggle / stalemate at the heart of this between McGregor and Lorenzo.


  • #3977
    Deadst4r
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 796 ✭✭✭Deadst4r


    RoryMac wrote: »
    Cathy.C wrote: »
    Interesting ESPN article re: the financial side of not having McGregor vs Diaz II on the card.

    Full article here.

    There is no doubt UFC 200 will generate less money without McGregor but it's not lost money as such as it will come in when McGregor does fight Diaz or someone else.

    If anything it makes commercial sense to have McGregor prop up a less hyped card like 201 or 202.
    Add your reply here.
    This is exactly what they are doing. 200 sells itself, new york was throwing the boot into him. But yeah, they'll use him for other cards and spread the viewership.

    Problem is, that means Conor is getting left off the biggest cards, meaning he is getting less money and less PPV money. He won't be happy.


  • #3978
    Deadst4r
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 796 ✭✭✭Deadst4r


    Sorry, on my phone and being a moron.


  • #3979
    RoryMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    Cathy.C wrote: »
    It's not just any card though, is it. It's 200. It's huge for UFC. Sure look how much is still talked about 100, which incidentally had 1.6m buys. Yes, a different time with less events blah blah blah, but the sport has grown quite considerably since then in terms of popularity and mainstream acceptance and so to do only 1m, as you suggest, could hardly be something UFC would be happy with.

    This whole story is starting to look to me like a case of Frankenstein, with Lorenzo being the creator and Conor the monster who must be stopped before he destroys everything. Maybe he took the 'We're here to take over' stuff a little too serious. The guy wanted to miss a presser and promos stuff three months before a fight. Boo hoo. If anyone is coming across like amateurs here it is the UFC. They are effectually diluting the very thing which has made them $400m -- McGregor's persona. With this naughty step nonsense they are taming him in the public eye. And he is what, supposed to go to 201, 202 (whereever) and sit there like a scolded child, but also be the same 'This is the McGregor show' trash talker?? Abysmal business decision and can only be down to someone within the UFC taking things too personal and so therefore perhaps Dave Meltzer was spot on with his remarks suggesting there was a power struggle / stalemate at the heart of this between McGregor and Lorenzo.

    He doesn't have much choice in the matter, he can't earn that kind of money fighting anywhere else so on this occasion he probably has no option but suck it up
    Deadst4r wrote: »
    Add your reply here.
    This is exactly what they are doing. 200 sells itself, new york was throwing the boot into him. But yeah, they'll use him for other cards and spread the viewership.

    Problem is, that means Conor is getting left off the biggest cards, meaning he is getting less money and less PPV money. He won't be happy.

    No he won't & neither am I, it would've been great to see McGregor headline a massive card like this and/or New York but he took a gamble not going to Vegas and it has backfired spectacularly


  • #3980
    Deadst4r
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 796 ✭✭✭Deadst4r


    RoryMac wrote: »
    Cathy.C wrote: »
    It's not just any card though, is it. It's 200. It's huge for UFC. Sure look how much is still talked about 100, which incidentally had 1.6m buys. Yes, a different time with less events blah blah blah, but the sport has grown quite considerably since then in terms of popularity and mainstream acceptance and so to do only 1m, as you suggest, could hardly be something UFC would be happy with.

    This whole story is starting to look to me like a case of Frankenstein, with Lorenzo being the creator and Conor the monster who must be stopped before he destroys everything. Maybe he took the 'We're here to take over' stuff a little too serious. The guy wanted to miss a presser and promos stuff three months before a fight. Boo hoo. If anyone is coming across like amateurs here it is the UFC. They are effectually diluting the very thing which has made them $400m -- McGregor's persona. With this naughty step nonsense they are taming him in the public eye. And he is what, supposed to go to 201, 202 (whereever) and sit there like a scolded child, but also be the same 'This is the McGregor show' trash talker?? Abysmal business decision and can only be down to someone within the UFC taking things too personal and so therefore perhaps Dave Meltzer was spot on with his remarks suggesting there was a power struggle / stalemate at the heart of this between McGregor and Lorenzo.

    He doesn't have much choice in the matter, he can't earn that kind of money fighting anywhere else so on this occasion he probably has no option but suck it up
    Deadst4r wrote: »
    Add your reply here.
    This is exactly what they are doing. 200 sells itself, new york was throwing the boot into him. But yeah, they'll use him for other cards and spread the viewership.

    Problem is, that means Conor is getting left off the biggest cards, meaning he is getting less money and less PPV money. He won't be happy.

    No he won't & neither am I, it would've been great to see McGregor headline a massive card like this and/or New York but he took a gamble not going to Vegas and it has backfired spectacularly

    I know people will say 'who cares if conor isn't happy' but it's going to be weird from here on out.

    What would he bother saving a card ever again? He will do the bare minimum media as well I reckon.

    Though that would be shooting himself in the foot, but I can't see him bending over for the UFC. He will demand more money as well I reckon.


  • #3981
    Lukker-
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭Lukker-


    Cathy.C wrote: »
    It's not just any card though, is it. It's 200. It's huge for UFC. Sure look how much is still talked about 100, which incidentally had 1.6m buys. Yes, a different time with less events blah blah blah, but the sport has grown quite considerably since then in terms of popularity and mainstream acceptance and so to do only 1m, as you suggest, could hardly be something UFC would be happy with.

    This whole story is starting to look to me like a case of Frankenstein, with Lorenzo being the creator and Conor the monster who must be stopped before he destroys everything. Maybe he took the 'We're here to take over' stuff a little too serious. The guy wanted to miss a presser and promos stuff three months before a fight. Boo hoo. If anyone is coming across like amateurs here it is the UFC. They are effectually diluting the very thing which has made them $400m -- McGregor's persona. With this naughty step nonsense they are taming him in the public eye. And he is what, supposed to go to 201, 202 (whereever) and sit there like a scolded child, but also be the same 'This is the McGregor show' trash talker?? Abysmal business decision and can only be down to someone within the UFC taking things too personal and so therefore perhaps Dave Meltzer was spot on with his remarks suggesting there was a power struggle / stalemate at the heart of this between McGregor and Lorenzo.

    The only way the card was going to generate the buzz of UFC100 regardless of PPV buys was if GSP came back. Conor vs. GSP would have been huge but that all fell through when Nate choked him out.

    After that I don't think it really bothers the UFC too much that he's not on the card.

    As someone said it's actually beneficial to the UFC. They can put Conor on smaller cards now and he'll boost them and do triple the buys they would have normally. UFC 200 sells itself. May not have been as big as it could have been but so what? It's just a number after all.


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  • #3982
    RoryMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    Deadst4r wrote: »
    I know people will say 'who cares if conor isn't happy' but it's going to be weird from here on out.

    What would he bother saving a card ever again? He will do the bare minimum media as well I reckon.

    Though that would be shooting himself in the foot, but I can't see him bending over for the UFC. He will demand more money as well I reckon.

    Yeah it is a high stakes game both McGregor & the UFC are paying but I can't see how McGregor can come out on top in it.

    I can't see the UFC doing him any favours to get him back onside except as some face saving story for him.

    If anything I can see them taking a stronger line with him, it will be interesting to see what they do with the FW belt if he doesn't get a fight lined up soon. Stripping him might push McGregor over the edge but they can't have Edgar or Aldo sitting around doing nothing too long after their fight.


  • #3983
    EoineyM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭EoineyM


    Also, I'm sure when looking at the loss of PPVs for UFC 200, the UFC top brass are taking into account future savings that will be made in negotiating with Conor and other fighters due to them regaining some of the control they had lost over the last 12 months. If they had rolled over on this, their hand would be weakened going forward. Short term loss on UFC200 will probably work out good in the medium to long term


  • #3984
    .ak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Cathy.C wrote: »
    Interesting ESPN article re: the financial side of not having McGregor vs Diaz II on the card.

    Full article here.

    The more I think about it the more I think the UFC are mad. When it comes to fighters value they must strike whilst the iron is hot (sure they did with this rematch anyway!) a fighter's career can be cut short at any time, sure look at poor Hoolihan.

    Which makes me really think we'll see Diaz and McGregor at 201.

    200 will do decent numbers because it's such an event, 201 will go McGregor numbers, McGregor gets a full camp with no big tour, Diaz gets the fight he wants, UFC don't lose face cuz they held firm on 200. Everyone is happy (rich).


  • #3985
    darced
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  • #3986
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    darced wrote: »
    We were told Conor doesn't do training camps or train for specific fighters and that everyone else was doing it wrong, now reality has set in and its uninterrupted training camps and training for the heavier, longer man.

    So what?

    When you're defeated you need the change your plans.

    Nothing wrong with that.


  • #3987
    Deadst4r
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 796 ✭✭✭Deadst4r


    darced wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Incorrect.


  • #3988
    darced
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  • #3989
    finglashoop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭finglashoop


    darced wrote: »
    Go on

    Of course he does camps

    Are you referring to stay ready so you dont
    Have to get ready?

    He is changing weight class so most will be longer and heavier.

    Not his biggest fan but he grossly underestimated the weight change and must be embarrassed. Wants to get it right this time.


  • #3990
    Lukker-
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    darced wrote: »
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    He most certainly never said he doesn't do camps. Regardless of not preparing specifically for an opponent, you always have to prepare yourself.

    A camp's main purpose is to get your body conditioned for either 3 or 5 rounds. Every single fighter does them.


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    darced
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