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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

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  • #3872
    TireeTerror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭TireeTerror


    Clearly just a clever ruse by McGregor AND the UFC to avoid the risk of McGregor losing to Diaz again, if he does, its pretty much over, the magic will have gone. Diaz wont even know, he is a little pawn in the game.

    They will engineer some situation to make it believable that Conor cant find Diaz in the near future because Conor will have to cut weight class to defend his title. I dont blame them for doing this, its the smart thing, Conor losing twice in a row is a disaster.


  • #3873
    Cathy.C
    Closed Accounts Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Cathy.C


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If he is a god and Diaz made him tap, then what is Diaz? :pac:

    A vegan God?

    Seriously though, Nate didn't make Conor tap as there was no ground fight in that second round. People that want to extoll the virtues of Nate Diaz, with regards to that fight at least, should just stick to how he actually won the fight and that was obviously on his feet. When Conor went to a ground to avoid getting KO'd, Christy Brown could have choked him out with his left foot.

    Funny how you don't hear so much being said about Nate's ground game in the first round though. Where in it Nate grabbed Conor's leg from a kick and grappled him to the canvas. Wouldn't happen to be because from that position Conor had very little trouble flipping Nate over onto his back and then spending the closing moments of that round reigning punches down on him.

    One of the reasons I want this rematch to happen at UFC 200 is because of how easily I think Conor will beat Nate. Assuming of course he corrects the glaring errors which contributed to him gassing out of course, which were mostly all made early in the 2nd round when it was quite clear that he thought he had the fight won: showboating, taking punches he could have easily avoided, wasting energy with nowhere spin kicks etc.

    But then Conor did always say he would like to fight himself. In the 2nd round of the Diaz fight I think he did, and he lost.


  • #3874
    darced
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  • #3875
    JaMarcusHustle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭JaMarcusHustle


    Cathy.C wrote: »
    Assuming of course he corrects the glaring errors which contributed to him gassing out of course which were mostly all made early in the 2nd round when he though he had the fight won: showboating, taking punches he could have easily avoided, wasting energy with nowhere spin kicks etc.

    And what makes you think that's a safe assumption?

    Conor has been his own worst enemy in his last few fights. The showboating has gotten worse, the spin kicks have gotten more frequent and he's been on the receiving end of more punches. It's all his own doing. It was bad against Mendes, it was even worse against Diaz and it cost him.

    He places a higher value on looking "cool" for lack of a better word - arms down by his side, goading opponents into hitting him, mouthing off in between exchanges - than he does for a conservative, defensive stance that 99% of other fighters use. It's the worst thing about him and it's so needless, that's what the most frustrating part is.


  • #3876
    Lukker-
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    darced wrote: »
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    Because contracts don't work like that. New opponent new contract. You think the UFC are going to offer him half a mill to fight someone else when his contract is 20/20?

    Unless he got someone like Lawler, he's gonna be lucky to get 100k for his next fight. Conor was the only reason he made 500k and the rematch would likely be the only time he ever makes that much again and I say that as a fan of his.


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  • #3877
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,768 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Can someone wake me up on July 9th please


  • #3878
    Turtyturd
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    Cathy.C wrote: »
    A vegan God?

    Seriously though, Nate didn't make Conor tap as there was no ground fight in that second round. People that want to extoll the virtues of Nate Diaz, with regards to that fight at least, should just stick to how he actually won the fight and that was obviously on his feet. When Conor went to a ground to avoid getting KO'd, Christy Brown could have choked him out with his left foot.

    Funny how you don't hear so much being said about Nate's ground game in the first round though. Where in it Nate grabbed Conor's leg from a kick and grappled him to the canvas. Wouldn't happen to be because from that position Conor had very little trouble flipping Nate over onto his back and then spending the closing moments of that round reigning punches down on him.

    One of the reasons I want this rematch to happen at UFC 200 is because of how easily I think Conor will beat Nate. Assuming of course he corrects the glaring errors which contributed to him gassing out of course, which were mostly all made early in the 2nd round when it was quite clear that he thought he had the fight won: showboating, taking punches he could have easily avoided, wasting energy with nowhere spin kicks etc.

    But then Conor did always say he would like to fight himself. In the 2nd round of the Diaz fight I think he did, and he lost.


    Thread has reached new heights of fanwankery.


  • #3879
    darced
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  • #3880
    newbbieb
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    It's 100% off. Kavanagh and McGregor seem to think that by antagonising UFC they'll have a chance of getting it back on. That ship has sailed.

    Totally agree with this John Kavanagh sometimes acts like he just arrived on planet earth recently and doesn't know how the Dana/UFC operate,why he is getting so involved in this i do not know,Conor had said everything that needs to be said on the subject.

    Also Questioning why everything has to be in Vegas won't sit will with the UFC brass in the "fight capital" of the world Vegas.


  • #3881
    CSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,479 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    darced wrote: »
    I genuinely never get how this works. Diaz like Mendes is drafted in at the last minute and they demands big money and get it.

    He wins the fight and generates big numbers and big hype, but now he can only ask for a fraction of that because he's not fighting Conor.

    Is the idea that he only will bring in PPV buys vs Conor? I think Diaz will bring in buys now in his own right after the push he got after the Conor fight, nothing earth shattering but people will be interested to see him fight.

    Explain it so I dont ever have to ask again :)

    Diaz will come out of this a star either way I hope. I'm a Conor fanboy for sure but Nate is such a likeable guy and as tough as they come.


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  • #3882
    Arrow in the Knee
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    So what did Kavanagh say during MMA Hour? ie: main points


  • #3883
    darced
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  • #3884
    noc1980
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    TireeTerror wrote: »
    Clearly just a clever ruse by McGregor AND the UFC to avoid the risk of McGregor losing to Diaz again, if he does, its pretty much over, the magic will have gone. Diaz wont even know, he is a little pawn in the game.

    They will engineer some situation to make it believable that Conor cant find Diaz in the near future because Conor will have to cut weight class to defend his title. I dont blame them for doing this, its the smart thing, Conor losing twice in a row is a disaster.

    I would say him losing to Diaz again wouldn't be as harmful to his career as losing to Frankie / Aldo. He has the weight class excuse still in the bag for another loss to Diaz but would be in deep deep trouble having his 2nd loss coming at 145 and losing his belt.


  • #3885
    Lukker-
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    darced wrote: »
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    Diaz and Mendes both got 500k because Conor pretty much. Conor gets a cut of the PPV's so someone negotiating to be on the main event of a card that will do over 1 million buys has some bargaining power, especially given the short notice of both fights.

    Nate certainly has his fans and that definitely grew after 196 but Conor is simply in another stratosphere compared to him.

    He was tied to an 8 fight contract before 196 with another couple of fights left on it, which entitled him to 20,000 for a win and 20,000 for showing up and making weight. Whether he negotiated a new contract when he stepped up to fight Conor only himself and the UFC will know. But if he did, it certainly wasn't 500k per fight. Most champs don't make this, Jon Jones contract is about 500k per fight atm and I don't think he gets PPV buys either.

    The fights with Conor would most likely be outside of his standard contract, they are like one off payments that pretty much only come around when you fight either Conor or Ronda. Nate certainly has increased his bargaining power by beating Conor, but at most I can see him getting 125/125. Which I think he'd jump at.


  • #3886
    [Deleted User]
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    Lukker- wrote: »
    For the people saying he's dodging Diaz, you do realise if they don't fight at 200, they will most likely fight at 201?

    The only way Diaz gets another big pay day is if he holds out for Conor. So if Conor won't be at 200, neither will Nate.

    Doubt it, he has to defend that belt he is holding at some stage. I can see him either being force to defend the belt or give it up. I do see them fighting again one day though, if they don't sort out the 200 mess.


  • #3887
    Lukker-
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭Lukker-


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Doubt it, he has to defend that belt he is holding at some stage. I can see him either being force to defend the belt or give it up. I do see them fighting again one day though, if they don't sort out the 200 mess.

    The 2 potential opponents are fighting at 200 though, they wouldn't be able to fight until 204 at the earliest.

    It makes no sense for Conor to sit out until 204, when he could fight Diaz at 201 and defend his strap at 205.

    Money wise and logistics wise, having Conor sit out to face the winner of Edgar/Aldo is stupid.


  • #3888
    Axwell
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    Lukker- wrote: »
    The 2 potential opponents are fighting at 200 though, they wouldn't be able to fight until 204 at the earliest.

    It makes no sense for Conor to sit out until 204, when he could fight Diaz at 201 and defend his strap at 205.

    Money wise and logistics wise, having Conor sit out to face the winner of Edgar/Aldo is stupid.

    While it may change depending on how things pan out, Dana already said at the press conference on Friday Conor would be fighting most likely on either 202/203 defending the belt and that he wouldn't be on the 205 card, that they have that card covered.


  • #3889
    Lukker-
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭Lukker-


    Axwell wrote: »
    While it may change depending on how things pan out, Dana already said at the press conference on Friday Conor would be fighting most likely on either 202/203 defending the belt and that he wouldn't be on the 205 card, that they have that card covered.

    202 or 203 don't make much sense for either Aldo or Edgar, unless they put him against Holloway.

    I think the 205 statement is a warning to Conor, or punishment. It had certainly been the plan to put him on that card.


  • #3890
    Axwell
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    Lukker- wrote: »
    202 or 203 don't make much sense for either Aldo or Edgar, unless they put him against Holloway.

    I think the 205 statement is a warning to Conor, or punishment. It had certainly been the plan to put him on that card.

    Why would they put him against Holloway..he has to defend the belt and when he does its against Aldo/Frankie. If the Diaz fight doesn't go ahead that's going to be his next fight, they arent going to have an interim belt and then have Conor fight someone else in the mean time.


  • #3891
    Wrongway1985
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    Arrow in the Knee wrote: »
    So what did Kavanagh say during MMA Hour? ie: main points

    No real insight at all 51% optimistic Conor fights at 200

    Said doesn't know why Conor sent back on tweet, said he split up with him coming back from Iceland but was meeting him later at training and he'd ask him.

    Asked did he watch press conference said he did found it bland then went on to say Conor lights them up despite previous comments leading to that point justifying not being at the likes. Basically rehashed the info that's out there didn't want to disrupt camp,didn't rule out another time for media etc.

    Said being pulled from 200 is one thing but felt sad to hear Dana rule out New York for Conor also. But then said no ill feeling between Conor and UFC and he'll toast fine whiskey with Lorenzo after he fights again, odd indeed.
    Lukker- wrote: »
    202 or 203 don't make much sense for either Aldo or Edgar, unless they put him against Holloway.

    Holloway/Lamas at 199 was announced last week


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  • #3892
    Lukker-
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭Lukker-


    Axwell wrote: »
    Why would they put him against Holloway..he has to defend the belt and when he does its against Aldo/Frankie. If the Diaz fight doesn't go ahead that's going to be his next fight, they arent going to have an interim belt and then have Conor fight someone else in the mean time.

    If he doesn't fight Diaz you think the UFC are gonna have him sit out for that long?


  • #3893
    Axwell
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    Lukker- wrote: »
    If he doesn't fight Diaz you think the UFC are gonna have him sit out for that long?

    Absolutely, sure hes not gonna fight before 200 and thats in July. 202/203 is only going to be a few weeks after that and they have to allow Aldo/frankie to prepare for it. Assuming the winner of that comes out uninjured they will set a date on one of those cards and that will be the fight. MSG is 205 and thats in Nov. So 202/203 is likely to be between early Sept and late October.


  • #3894
    CurryFlavoured
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭CurryFlavoured


    Cathy.C wrote: »
    Deleted User wrote: »
    If he is a god and Diaz made him tap, then what is Diaz? :pac:

    A vegan God?

    Seriously though, Nate didn't make Conor tap as there was no ground fight in that second round. People that want to extoll the virtues of Nate Diaz, with regards to that fight at least, should just stick to how he actually won the fight and that was obviously on his feet. When Conor went to a ground to avoid getting KO'd, Christy Brown could have choked him out with his left foot.

    Funny how you don't hear so much being said about Nate's ground game in the first round though. Where in it Nate grabbed Conor's leg from a kick and grappled him to the canvas. Wouldn't happen to be because from that position Conor had very little trouble flipping Nate over onto his back and then spending the closing moments of that round reigning punches down on him.

    One of the reasons I want this rematch to happen at UFC 200 is because of how easily I think Conor will beat Nate. Assuming of course he corrects the glaring errors which contributed to him gassing out of course, which were mostly all made early in the 2nd round when it was quite clear that he thought he had the fight won: showboating, taking punches he could have easily avoided, wasting energy with nowhere spin kicks etc.

    But then Conor did always say he would like to fight himself. In the 2nd round of the Diaz fight I think he did, and he lost.
    The way people try to twist things to big up Conor (mainly his grappling) makes me cringggee. Yes he was rocked but his 'attempt' at stopping the choke was abysmal, he hit the mat from one of the weakest takedowns I've seen in the first, and yes he reversed it but let's be honest Diaz was more than happy to go to his back. There are big question marks over Conor's ground game/grappling to put it nicely.


  • #3895
    TimRiggins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭TimRiggins


    Axwell wrote: »
    Absolutely, sure hes not gonna fight before 200 and thats in July. 202/203 is only going to be a few weeks after that and they have to allow Aldo/frankie to prepare for it. Assuming the winner of that comes out uninjured they will set a date on one of those cards and that will be the fight. MSG is 205 and thats in Nov. So 202/203 is likely to be between early Sept and late October.

    I wouldn't be surprised if they just give him any LW available for UFC 201 or 202. They need main events, and it would keep Conor busy. Whatever Dana said, the plan has to be Frankie at MSG if Frankie beats Aldo.

    If they don't do the Diaz rematch they'll give him Pettis imo.


  • #3896
    eddie73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 647 ✭✭✭eddie73


    Diaz is well able to mix it on the ground. He won a very one sided competition by choking an opponent 2 years ago while on his back in the 2nd round.

    If I were to call the outcome of the replay, I would say that Conor would win on points. But we will only be able to speculate on this. it seems that the Diaz v McGregor rematch will never happen now.


  • #3897
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,390 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Axwell wrote: »
    Absolutely, sure hes not gonna fight before 200 and thats in July. 202/203 is only going to be a few weeks after that and they have to allow Aldo/frankie to prepare for it. Assuming the winner of that comes out uninjured they will set a date on one of those cards and that will be the fight.
    I think that's far too turn around for Aldo or Edgar tbh. 203 might be achievable but 202 is out for them imo. Conor would need his opponent announced and signed by July, they can't bank on Aldo or Edgar not having a medical layoff
    MSG is 205 and thats in Nov. So 202/203 is likely to be between early Sept and late October.
    Wouldn't be time to get 204 in if 203 was late October. There's 18 weeks from 200 to 205, so that means the PPV have to be every 4 or 3 weeks.

    My guess would be;

    UFC 200 9 July
    UFC 201 6 August
    UFC 202 3 September
    UFC 203 24 September
    UFC 204 15 October
    UFC 205 12 November

    That puts 202 on Labour day weekend. 203 might be 1st october at the latest, with 204 on 22nd


  • #3898
    Axwell
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    202 is probably a bit of a push but 203 shouldnt be an issue. Its not unheard of to have just 2 weeks between PPV's so 203 could even be pushed forward a week leaving 2 weeks till 204 going of your dates. I just dont see how they give McGregor a different fight at FW when Aldo/Frankie fight for the interim and there are limited other options unless they let Nate go on holidays and tell him hes fighting at 201/202 and tell Aldo/Frankie to wait till MSG for Conor.


  • #3899
    eddie73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 647 ✭✭✭eddie73


    A pity. But not the end of the world either.

    I think Joseph Duffy could jump in here and at least give the Irish something to look on at. I know that he is not conor McGregor, but he has massive heart and ability. I think also that he could be someone that we would all be proud of as well. Onwards and upwards.


  • #3900
    eddie73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 647 ✭✭✭eddie73


    That is, Joseph Duffy to fight a fresh opponent, not Diaz. He will now go on vacation it seems!


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  • #3901
    Axwell
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    eddie73 wrote: »
    A pity. But not the end of the world either.

    I think Joseph Duffy could jump in here and at least give the Irish something to look on at. I know that he is not conor McGregor, but he has massive heart and ability. I think also that he could be someone that we would all be proud of as well. Onwards and upwards.

    The best Joe Duffy can hope for getting on a card anytime soon is on the prelims. He lost to Poirier in his last fight and so hes not going to be fighting anyone top 10 in his next fight and needs to get another 2 or 3 wins under his belt before he is making any real impact on the division.


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