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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Lucas Hood wrote: »
    Agree with this. They can't back down on this or Conor could well pull this stunt again down the line or any of the other 500+ ufc fighters.

    There probably only two or three guys in the UFC who could get away with this and Conor is one of them. If some lowly ranked guy who doesn't pull numbers did this he would be cut from the promotion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,471 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    newbbieb wrote: »
    I think he will fall into line he has no choice,they will strip him of his title if he doesn't fight and if he doesn't promote the fight his pay is gonna be down,after missing this payday its a no brainer he will do whats necessary to maximize his next payday.

    He has every choice. He is worth more to them than they are to him. They've a responsibility to keep maximising a profit. With Conor's current net worth, and his ability to still make quite a few more millions in his life without ever entering a cage again, he'd be fine to live his lifestyle for life even if Diaz proved to be his last fight in UFC.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    newbbieb wrote: »
    I think he will fall into line he has no choice,they will strip him of his title if he doesn't fight and if he doesn't promote the fight his pay is gonna be down,after missing this payday its a no brainer he will do whats necessary to maximize his next payday.

    Will be interesting to see how it all plays out. I think on one side that Conor has changed the landscape of the sport and on the other the UFC are trying to control every aspect of the game.

    And in an effort to control absolutely everything, I think they're are making some bad business decisions. All you have to do is look at the Reebok deal, which has probably lined the UFC's pockets but has been a disaster for Reebok, who can hardly sell a t-shirt by all accounts.

    Do you think Reebok will renew their deal when its up? Or Nike, Adidas or any of the other sports brands will be running up to the UFC, waving wads of cash in their faces? I doubt it.

    I think these sorts of decisions will eventually backfire on the UFC. They will grow the sport to a certain level and when it reaches a certain point, you will see other big players come into the sport. Companies and business people that will make the Fertita brothers look like the Mario brothers.

    In other words, their almost monopoly won't last forever and maybe this drama is the first sign of things to come. Or I could just be talking outta my ar$e :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Letree


    Mellor wrote: »
    I'd be fairly confidant that 6 months ago you had no clue who Nathan Donald Diaz was.

    You'd be wrong. I've been watching since the days of randy couture. I am well aware of the Diaz brothers. I just don't think he is a star. The UFC didn't either when they were paying him peanuts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Letree wrote: »
    You'd be wrong. I've been watching since the days of randy couture. I am well aware of the Diaz brothers. I just don't think he is a star. The UFC didn't either when they were paying him peanuts.

    There's a difference between star and journeyman ( if I remember correctly that's what you called him. If not apologies). He's no journeyman.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Letree


    There's a difference between star and journeyman ( if I remember correctly that's what you called him. If not apologies). He's no journeyman.


    I will concede he is a notch above journeyman but much closer to that level that star.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 435 ✭✭newbbieb


    CSF wrote: »
    He has every choice. He is worth more to them than they are to him. They've a responsibility to keep maximising a profit. With Conor's current net worth, and his ability to still make quite a few more millions in his life without ever entering a cage again, he'd be fine to live his lifestyle for life even if Diaz proved to be his last fight in UFC.

    I can see that argument of Conor sitting on his money etc,and i know he has done well out his last few fights but i would be interested to know how much tax he paid on that money overall,i have no doubt he is comfortable right now but i would imagine his bank balance his probably lower than most people imagine.

    I have seen stories that said Pacquaio only got out of the states with something like 38 million out his 100,and then he pays tax again in the Philippines,either way i agree he could eek out some money through other means than fighting but he will kiss million dollar pay days goodbye without the UFC.

    I would say its probably more the opposite of what you say in that Conor needs them more than they need him.Conor has always said he will retire early so there is a limit to how many fights that might be.The UFC always knew the gravy train is gonna end either with back to back to back crushing defeats for Conor or he might retire whatever happens the UFC world keeps turning a profit with or without Conor,off course its more profitable with him but they will be there long after he is gone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    There probably only two or three guys in the UFC who could get away with this and Conor is one of them. If some lowly ranked guy who doesn't pull numbers did this he would be cut from the promotion.

    Well he's not getting away with it. He's been pulled from the fight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Lucas Hood wrote: »
    Well he's not getting away with it. He's been pulled from the fight.

    While I'm not optimistic, I'm not willing to give up just yet. Tonight is going to be very interesting when they hold the press conference after the weigh-ins. We'll see. He has been pulled but this could be far from over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Letree


    McGregor has always known that promoting and fighting has been part of the deal. Him complaining about being expected to do more than the others doesn't hold up imo. He is being paid way more that the others.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    Conor doesn't want to do media for this fight because he knows everything he says Nate can counter with "10 days Mother****er and I kicked your ass". Anything else is just an excuse. This press tour is nowhere near the length of the "world tour" for his fight with Aldo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 435 ✭✭newbbieb


    Will be interesting to see how it all plays out. I think on one side that Conor has changed the landscape of the sport and on the other the UFC are trying to control every aspect of the game.

    And in an effort to control absolutely everything, I think they're are making some bad business decisions. All you have to do is look at the Reebok deal, which has probably lined the UFC's pockets but has been a disaster for Reebok, who can hardly sell a t-shirt by all accounts.

    Do you think Reebok will renew their deal when its up? Or Nike, Adidas or any of the other sports brands will be running up to the UFC, waving wads of cash in their faces? I doubt it.

    I think these sorts of decisions will eventually backfire on the UFC. They will grow the sport to a certain level and when it reaches a certain point, you will see other big players come into the sport. Companies and business people that will make the Fertita brothers look like the Mario brothers.

    In other words, their almost monopoly won't last forever and maybe this drama is the first sign of things to come. Or I could just be talking outta my ar$e :)

    Agree totally the Reebok deal has been bad for everyone,i don't think it was profitable in the short term for the UFC they were planning on the long term with it and hoping it looking super attractive to potential suitors next time but that doesn't look likely.

    The UFC would definitely be helped with new owners to bring it to the next level,Dana and the Fertitas have done amazing to bring it so far but its almost like they brought it as far as they could and they are out of their depth with this stuff right now,often these press conferences also can come off as amateurish,mostly they seem to be about Danas ego where he stands up in front of all these top fighters and gets to show everyone he is the boss.

    You can't have superstar fighters and then try to make them dance in front of a stage for boss Dana whenever he wants,it demeans them and lessens their starpower,they look like trained monkeys not superstar fighters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,471 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    newbbieb wrote: »
    I can see that argument of Conor sitting on his money etc,and i know he has done well out his last few fights but i would be interested to know how much tax he paid on that money overall,i have no doubt he is comfortable right now but i would imagine his bank balance his probably lower than most people imagine.

    I have seen stories that said Pacquaio only got out of the states with something like 38 million out his 100,and then he pays tax again in the Philippines,either way i agree he could eek out some money through other means than fighting but he will kiss million dollar pay days goodbye without the UFC.

    I would say its probably more the opposite of what you say in that Conor needs them more than they need him.Conor has always said he will retire early so there is a limit to how many fights that might be.The UFC always knew the gravy train is gonna end either with back to back to back crushing defeats for Conor or he might retire whatever happens the UFC world keeps turning a profit with or without Conor,off course its more profitable with him but they will be there long after he is gone.

    Conor will always be able to make good money. He will inevitably go do a Wrestlemania run for a few million, he will do a movie or 2. There'll always be TV work. That isn't to say that he'll be the next Cena in WWE or the next Dwayne Johnson in Hollywood but a guy like him will never be short money and will probably have much more than he ever really needs as is the way with most massive celebrities.

    Even Sky have suddenly developed an obsession with covering the McGregor fallout, the same Sky that generally ignore anything that they're not showing as if it doesn't exist. The man has a remarkable marketability, has moved massive numbers for the UFC and put the UFC in the mouths of so many people. Much of it he'd done before he'd actually proved himself to be the real deal in the cage by knocking out Aldo.

    There is no replacement for Conor. The best you've got active on the roster is Jon Jones, the best pound for pound on the roster but he isn't going to bring the UFC into the mainstream in the way that Conor did. His fight this weekend has actually sadly fallen under the radar a little bit due to what's gone on with Conor this week. You've guys like Lawler, Dos Anjos, Khabib, unbelievable fighters. They won't do it. So who does it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,471 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    Conor doesn't want to do media for this fight because he knows everything he says Nate can counter with "10 days Mother****er and I kicked your ass". Anything else is just an excuse. This press tour is nowhere near the length of the "world tour" for his fight with Aldo.

    Except he's perfectly willing to do media for this fight. It's only the extent of it that is being disputed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    Conor doesn't want to do media for this fight because he knows everything he says Nate can counter with "10 days Mother****er and I kicked your ass". Anything else is just an excuse. This press tour is nowhere near the length of the "world tour" for his fight with Aldo.

    When did he say he wouldn't do media?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    CSF wrote: »
    Except he's perfectly willing to do media for this fight. It's only the extent of it that is being disputed.

    Just NY. It was only 3 cities iirc.[Stockton, Vegas and NYC] Nothing like the one for the Aldo fight. He had no problem doing long media stretches when he was undefeated and in his "Mystic Mac" phase.

    Conor is still embarrassed about the fight. I think anybody with a full camp goes out there and gets beat by a guy with literally no camp [Nate was on vacation when they called him for the fight] would be. Conor doesn't want to do it because he knows he can't do his usual shtick. He can't do his "I'll KO him in less than a minute" here because Nate took his best shots last time and didn't phase him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭bobmalooka


    Letree wrote: »
    McGregor has always known that promoting and fighting has been part of the deal. Him complaining about being expected to do more than the others doesn't hold up imo. He is being paid way more that the others.

    That's true to a certain extent. The major chunk of income is his cut of PPV so the less he sells the less he makes.
    If you want to apply that logic then it's fair if he decides to do less promo as he'll make less money.

    The reality is the whole tweeting craic has sold the fight, McGregor delivered the publicity they need without leaving the gym.

    The issue now is whether UFC want to be pragmatic about this event or if they see a long term issue about maintaining control.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 435 ✭✭newbbieb


    CSF wrote: »
    Conor will always be able to make good money. He will inevitably go do a Wrestlemania run for a few million, he will do a movie or 2. There'll always be TV work. That isn't to say that he'll be the next Cena in WWE or the next Dwayne Johnson in Hollywood but a guy like him will never be short money and will probably have much more than he ever really needs as is the way with most massive celebrities.

    Even Sky have suddenly developed an obsession with covering the McGregor fallout, the same Sky that generally ignore anything that they're not showing as if it doesn't exist. The man has a remarkable marketability, has moved massive numbers for the UFC and put the UFC in the mouths of so many people. Much of it he'd done before he'd actually proved himself to be the real deal in the cage by knocking out Aldo.

    There is no replacement for Conor. The best you've got active on the roster is Jon Jones, the best pound for pound on the roster but he isn't going to bring the UFC into the mainstream in the way that Conor did. His fight this weekend has actually sadly fallen under the radar a little bit due to what's gone on with Conor this week. You've guys like Lawler, Dos Anjos, Khabib, unbelievable fighters. They won't do it. So who does it?

    Not denying he has massive draw/marketability and has done wonders for the UFC and imo is getting way underpaid,he often draws viewers to cards he isn't on due to their relevancy to who he could be fighting next.You won't get any argument from me on that front at all.

    But when the dust settles i believe him and Dana will work something out and come to an agreement,there was no bridges burnt between Dana and Conor yet,John Kavanagh i believe has burnt more bridges between himself and the UFC than Conor did.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    Just NY. It was only 3 cities iirc.[Stockton, Vegas and NYC] Nothing like the one for the Aldo fight. He had no problem doing long media stretches when he was undefeated and in his "Mystic Mac" phase.

    Conor is still embarrassed about the fight. I think anybody with a full camp goes out there and gets beat by a guy with literally no camp [Nate was on vacation when they called him for the fight] would be. Conor doesn't want to do it because he knows he can't do his usual shtick. He can't do his "I'll KO him in less than a minute" here because Nate took his best shots last time and didn't phase him.

    Again more people with the conspiracy theories. Did he say in his statement that he would do no media??? Why would he do the NY media if he thought he couldn't use the usual shtick? If he can't use the shtick now he can't in NY. Again, like I said before, maybe he realised he needs to focus on camp better than he has been to beat an extremely game opponent. Nothing more, nothing less.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭JustShon


    Again more people with the conspiracy theories. Did he say in his statement that he would do no media??? Why would he do the NY media if he thought he couldn't use the usual shtick? If he can't use the shtick now he can't in NY. Again, like I said before, maybe he realised he needs to focus on camp better than he has been to beat an extremely game opponent. Nothing more, nothing less.

    No no, impossible. He's definitely running scared from Nate, spending his time in Iceland crying into a pillow. Waking up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat screaming "No Nate, please don't hurt me anymore!"

    Y'know, because he's such a pussy.

    /sarcasm


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    Just NY. It was only 3 cities iirc.[Stockton, Vegas and NYC] Nothing like the one for the Aldo fight. He had no problem doing long media stretches when he was undefeated and in his "Mystic Mac" phase.

    Conor is still embarrassed about the fight. I think anybody with a full camp goes out there and gets beat by a guy with literally no camp [Nate was on vacation when they called him for the fight] would be. Conor doesn't want to do it because he knows he can't do his usual shtick. He can't do his "I'll KO him in less than a minute" here because Nate took his best shots last time and didn't phase him.

    Yeah, he's jeopardising a huge payday because he's worried his smack talk game is weak. :rolleyes:

    Remember that each of those 3 cities would include a ton of interviews as well.

    This is a milestone event for the UFC, with a supposed big hitter line up, and yet they still want Conor to do most of the heavy lifting and play the court jester.

    They are trying to squeeze every last drop of promotional material out of him, and I don't blame him at all for pushing back and saying enough is enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,384 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    Just NY. It was only 3 cities iirc.[Stockton, Vegas and NYC] Nothing like the one for the Aldo fight. He had no problem doing long media stretches when he was undefeated and in his "Mystic Mac" phase.

    4 cities, LA too.
    And the Aldo world tour was a long time before 189. It was before fight camp. That's a lot if the post above don't seem to grasp.

    He has came out and said his prep for the last night wasn't ideal. He admits he got stuff wrong and needs to work on his cardio. He's admired these flaws led to the loss and that he needs to spend fight camp fixing those errors not doing surplus media. Fight camp is not the time


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    Mellor wrote: »
    4 cities, LA too.
    And the Aldo world tour was a long time before 189. It was before fight camp. That's a lot if the post above don't seem to grasp.

    He has came out and said his prep for the last night wasn't ideal. He admits he got stuff wrong and needs to work on his cardio. He's admired these flaws led to the loss and that he needs to spend fight camp fixing those errors not doing surplus media. Fight camp is not the time

    200 is still a few months away. I doubt he's in serious camp mode right now. He can still do those 4 cities and get a full camp in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,071 ✭✭✭MarkY91


    Will be interesting to see how it all plays out. I think on one side that Conor has changed the landscape of the sport and on the other the UFC are trying to control every aspect of the game.

    And in an effort to control absolutely everything, I think they're are making some bad business decisions. All you have to do is look at the Reebok deal, which has probably lined the UFC's pockets but has been a disaster for Reebok, who can hardly sell a t-shirt by all accounts.

    Do you think Reebok will renew their deal when its up? Or Nike, Adidas or any of the other sports brands will be running up to the UFC, waving wads of cash in their faces? I doubt it.

    I think these sorts of decisions will eventually backfire on the UFC. They will grow the sport to a certain level and when it reaches a certain point, you will see other big players come into the sport. Companies and business people that will make the Fertita brothers look like the Mario brothers.

    In other words, their almost monopoly won't last forever and maybe this drama is the first sign of things to come. Or I could just be talking outta my ar$e :)

    Why can't reebok sell a tshirt over the deal? I genuinely down know.

    Because of the price? The t-shirts the fighters wear are like $75. I only Evergreen one person wear it before. I would like one but for about 40% of the price :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    MarkY91 wrote: »
    Why can't reebok sell a tshirt over the deal? I genuinely down know.

    Because of the price? The t-shirts the fighters wear are like $75. I only Evergreen one person wear it before. I would like one but for about 40% of the price :pac:

    reebok-ufc-ireland.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭JustShon


    MarkY91 wrote: »
    I only Evergreen one person wear it before.

    Auto correct is a beautiful, beautiful thing :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,210 ✭✭✭maximoose


    MarkY91 wrote: »
    Why can't reebok sell a tshirt over the deal? I genuinely down know.

    Because of the price? The t-shirts the fighters wear are like $75. I only Evergreen one person wear it before. I would like one but for about 40% of the price :pac:

    The price
    The lazy and uninspiring designs
    The amount of fûck ups relating to names/nicknames/etc they have made
    The fact everyone knows how bad a deal it is for the fighters


    Some stuff isn't that bad, the OH got me a "champion hoodie" for my bday this year that I love - but not a hope is it worth €110.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    maximoose wrote: »
    The price
    The lazy and uninspiring designs
    The amount of fûck ups relating to names/nicknames/etc they have made
    The fact everyone knows how bad a deal it is for the fighters


    Some stuff isn't that bad, the OH got me a "champion hoodie" for my bday this year that I love - but not a hope is it worth €110.

    quality in the shirts is fairly good to be fair, and theyre only 60 here, but I doubt I wouldve bought one without the 25%off code


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,384 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    200 is still a few months away. I doubt he's in serious camp mode right now. He can still do those 4 cities and get a full camp in.

    It's 11 weeks away now. A full camp is 6-12 weeks.
    If he is taking Nate seriously, as he obviously should, he's need a look towards the longer side of camp. Putting on mass, focusing on cardio, these considerations add time to his camp. Maybe he'll change gears in a few weeks. But he absolute needs to training towards the fight now.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    CSF wrote: »
    He has every choice. He is worth more to them than they are to him. They've a responsibility to keep maximising a profit. With Conor's current net worth, and his ability to still make quite a few more millions in his life without ever entering a cage again, he'd be fine to live his lifestyle for life even if Diaz proved to be his last fight in UFC.

    Sorry but that second line is the most nonsensical in this entire thread.

    UFC 200 will go ahead without McGregor, the company will make millions, maybe not as many as if McGregor had fought, but millions nonetheless. McGregor will make €0, £0, $0 from it. Same with the next event, McGregor does what he's told or at UFC 201/2/3/4/5 he makes squat. He's contracted to them so he can't fight elsewhere, if he doesn't play ball he'll lose millions.


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