Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

CSF

jcsoulinger wrote: »

In hindsight they prob should have said that.... Given Dana was willing to fly him on a private jet to all the promo events and set up his gym equipment every where he had to be it seems he has done as much as he can to accommodate McGregor so your right I shouldn't question his motives.

Conor on the other hand seems unwilling to comprise he knows the promos are part and parcel of this game you can't avoid them no matter who you are. Leading up to the previous fight he was in halo night club in Galway less than 2 weeks before the fight now he's cribbin about a promo event 12 weeks out from the rematch, Diaz took the last fight with 10 days notice and destroyed him, McGregor is wimping out big time.

Let's be fair though, no matter what angle you come at this from its gonna be one that doesn't reflect well on Conor, because you don't like Conor.

Cathy.C

Cathy.C wrote: »

https://twitter.com/joerogan/status/723534162825646080

If they actually get it sorted out all this messing probably will have only served to heighten the hype for the originally proposed fight with Diaz for UFC 200.

If the fight was changed to another match-up for McGregor it would be a bit of a letdown.

Another loss for McGregor though and both the UFC and McGregor lose as his star wanes - two consecutive losses would have an effect, even if he was still technically holding his belt. Also mentally for McGregor. So maybe it suits both the UFC and McGregor to have the Diaz rematch shelved.

Is he still in training towards a fight on that date?

jcsoulinger

CSF wrote: »

Let's be fair though, no matter what angle you come at this from its gonna be one that doesn't reflect well on Conor, because you don't like Conor.

I neither like nor dislike Connor McGregor, but play the hater card if that makes you feel superior.

What would Conors reaction be to someone who avoided a fight because they didn't want to do the promo, he would go ****in ape**** on their ass.

CSF

jcsoulinger wrote: »

I neither like nor dislike Connor McGregor, but play the hater card if that makes you feel superior.

What would Conors reaction be to someone who avoided a fight because they didn't want to do the promo, he would go ****in ape**** on their ass.

Well you started off with the argument that Dana and co don't want this fight because they think Conor will lose.

Then you moved onto the argument that Conor doesn't want the fight because he thinks he will lose.

Sounds a lot like your arguments are based more on pre-conceived ideas than anything that has actually taken place here.

CSF

glasso wrote: »

If they actually get it sorted out all this messing probably will have only served to heighten the hype for the originally proposed fight with Diaz for UFC 200.

If the fight was changed to another match-up for McGregor it would be a bit of a letdown.

Another loss for McGregor though and both the UFC and McGregor lose as his star wanes - two consecutive losses would have an effect, even if he was still technically holding his belt. Also mentally for McGregor. So maybe it suits both the UFC and McGregor to have the Diaz rematch shelved.

Is he still in training towards a fight on that date?

If Conor can't beat Diaz, then he has no future outside the featherweight division (which is fine). If you can't put him in against Diaz you definitely can't put him in against Dos Anjos, Khabib, Lawlor, GSP. There is no way that this is the logic at play here.

.ak

Cathy.C wrote: »

https://twitter.com/joerogan/status/723534162825646080

Amen

jcsoulinger

CSF wrote: »

Well you started off with the argument that Dana and co don't want this fight because they think Conor will lose.

Then you moved onto the argument that Conor doesn't want the fight because he thinks he will lose.

Sounds a lot like your arguments are based more on pre-conceived ideas than anything that has actually taken place here.

I then agreed that my points about Dana were off the mark considering he could have preempted the fight happening in the first place.

I gave reasons why I think McGregor doesn't want the fight because he thinks he will lose, you seem to be ignoring them.

Simply Red

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3gTwkCutlQ

Link for UFC 200 press conference later on, starts at 10pm our time. Might get some updates on what happens next or a fight announcment

Swashbuckler

jcsoulinger wrote: »

I then agreed that my points about Dana were off the mark considering he could have preempted the fight happening in the first place.

I gave reasons why I think McGregor doesn't want the fight because he thinks he will lose, you seem to be ignoring them.

So why did he ask for it in the first place? This rematch wasn't forced on him.

CSF

jcsoulinger wrote: »

I then agreed that my points about Dana were off the mark considering he could have preempted the fight happening in the first place.

I gave reasons why I think McGregor doesn't want the fight because he thinks he will lose, you seem to be ignoring them.

No I'm not ignoring them. I'm just pointing out that whichever argument you drift towards, it's based on preconceived ideas rather than anything has happened here or anything anyone had said.

If you tell me Conor is afraid of Diaz and thinks he will lose, I can't prove he isn't. But there is no evidence of any kind suggesting this.

Both parties have been really clear in their stance. UFC want Conor to do all the media work they have for him, Conor wants leeway. They can't agree and maybe won't. Some people will think UFC are right, some people will think Conor is right, grand.

But when have conspiracy theories that imply the facts we have available to us are not the actual way things are, when have they ever not been based on pre-conceived ideas?

Cathy.C

jcsoulinger wrote: »

What would Conors reaction be to someone who avoided a fight because they didn't want to do the promo, he would go ****in ape**** on their ass.

That's a loaded question as it starts with a presumption.

Conor has an issue with the early promotion, not with the fight. Personally I think he doesn't want to do early promo stuff because his head has been elsewhere with more important crap the past two-three weeks and he wants a mental break from it all. Hence getting the fcuk away from Ireland to train.

So you ask how would Conor react if a fighter he was facing didn't want to do promo stuff? Simple. He would play the game, slate them, whatever, but what he wouldn't do is expect the UFC to pull them from the card. Not a chance would he.

Nice to see most fighters supporting him but those that aren't make me laugh. Seen a few say that 'Everyone has to do press and promo, that's the way it is' and some other such nonsense, as if their level of press would come anywhere near the level that Conor was doing for that last fight.

The guy asked for a little leeway and I think he should be given it. Does it even matter what his reason is for asking for it? Lets say it is 100% because he wants to focus on his training and nothing whatsoever to do with anything else as I suggest. Has he not done enough for UFC to have earned that level of leeway? As far as I'm concerned the fact that he saved UFC 196 when RDA got a splinter should give him more than enough leeway. Went on Conan that week also and played computer games for a day.

jcsoulinger

CSF wrote: »

No I'm not ignoring them. I'm just pointing out that whichever argument you drift towards, it's based on preconceived ideas rather than anything has happened here or anything anyone had said.

If you tell me Conor is afraid of Diaz and thinks he will lose, I can't prove he isn't. But there is no evidence of any kind suggesting this.

Both parties have been really clear in their stance. UFC want Conor to do all the media work they have for him, Conor wants leeway. They can't agree and maybe won't. Some people will think UFC are right, some people will think Conor is right, grand.

But when have conspiracy theories that imply the facts we have available to us are not the actual way things are, when have they ever not been based on pre-conceived ideas?

Fair enough, considering these FACTs
He never had a problem with the promo before,
Dana offered the flights, and equipment set up,
Contract obligations are a part of every fighters build up,
He doesnt deserve any special treatment.
It looks to me like he's taking the easy way out

CSF

I mean really, how biased against Conor do you need to be to think that he just doesn't want to fight Nate Diaz now? He actively went after this fight and signed up to it. Do you think he just randomly woke up one morning and was like 'oh **** I just had the worst dream, I've suddenly realised I can't beat Nate Diaz'

What's happened here is that Conor is actually taking Nate seriously as a threat now, and that's a good thing. That's a sign that he is maturing as a fighter and a person and absolutely makes me more confident that he can win if the fight happens.

Thelomen Toblackai

Cathy.C wrote: »

The guy asked for a little leeway and I think he should be given it

He refused to fulfill his obligations and promote the fight as every other fighter has always had to do. When faced with being told he promotes the fight or the fight is pulled he hit twitter and acted like a child.

His justification? He didn't want to do it because he felt he wasn't being paid to do it..

He shouldn't get any leeway. The fight should be pulled and him left to reflect on the fact he threw away a multi million payday. I'm sure next time he won't be having his little diva moment.

CSF

jcsoulinger wrote: »

Fair enough, considering these FACTs
He never had a problem with the promo before,
Dana offered the flights, and equipment set up,
Contract obligations are a part of every fighters build up,
He doesnt deserve any special treatment.
It looks to me like he's taking the easy way out

Those are facts that prove he doesn't want to do the promo, which we already know. That's not new news.

jcsoulinger

Swashbuckler wrote: »

So why did he ask for it in the first place? This rematch wasn't forced on him.

Came to his senses maybe.

CSF

Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »

He refused to fulfill his obligations and promote the fight as every other fighter has always had to do. When faced with being told he promotesaid the fight or the fight is pulled he hit twitter and acted like a child.

His justification? He didn't want to do it because he felt he wasn't being paid to do it..

He shouldn't get any leeway. The fight should be pulled and him left to reflect on the fact he threw away a multi million payday. I'm sure next time he won't be having his little diva moment.

Alternatively this may improve the situation for other UFC fighters. This is a situation that will be better judged in hindsight.

CSF

jcsoulinger wrote: »

Came to his senses maybe.

Exactly, you're just having a stab in the dark. No basis to make such a claim.

jcsoulinger

Cathy.C wrote: »

That's a loaded question as it starts with a presumption.

Conor has an issue with the early promotion, not with the fight. Personally I think he doesn't want to do early promo stuff because his head has been elsewhere with more important crap the past two-three weeks and he wants a mental break from it all. Hence getting the fcuk away from Ireland to train.

So you ask how would Conor react if a fighter he was facing didn't want to do promo stuff? Simple. He would play the game, slate them, whatever, but what he wouldn't do is expect the UFC to pull them from the card. Not a chance would he.

Nice to see most fighters supporting him but those that aren't make me laugh. Seen a few say that 'Everyone has to do press and promo, that's the way it is' and some other such nonsense, as if their level of press would come anywhere near the level that Conor was doing for that last fight.

The guy asked for a little leeway and I think he should be given it. Does it even matter what his reason is for asking for it? Lets say it is 100% because he wants to focus on his training and nothing whatsoever to do with anything else as I suggest. Has he not done enough for UFC to have earned that level of leeway? As far as I'm concerned the fact that he saved UFC 196 when RDA got a splinter should give him more than enough leeway. Went on Conan that week also and played computer games for a day.

What exactly is a little leeway? Do you know exactly what he asked for?

Swashbuckler

jcsoulinger wrote: »

What exactly is a little leeway? Do you know exactly what he asked for?

Do you?

Swashbuckler

jcsoulinger wrote: »

Came to his senses maybe.

I guess that sums up where you're coming from. Absolute tripe.

Depp

jcsoulinger wrote: »

What exactly is a little leeway? Do you know exactly what he asked for?

dana said on espn, he asked for the tour to be pared down and to have it pushed back to may

jcsoulinger

Swashbuckler wrote: »

Do you?

Why would I ask if I knew?

jcsoulinger

Swashbuckler wrote: »

I guess that sums up where you're coming from. Absolute tripe.

Sorry I insulted your delicate perception of Conor McGregor.

I have nothing against Conor McGregor I just think it's clear He doesn't now want to fight Diaz what ever he said before.

This is going round in circles now so gonna tap out.

darced

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CSF

jcsoulinger wrote: »

Sorry I insulted your delicate perception of Conor McGregor.

Implying the other person is overly sensitive, the calling card of many a failed ridiculous argument.

CSF

darced wrote: »

Splinter? RDA broke his foot, a much more serious injury than Conor pulled out of UFC 200 with.

Conor didn't pull out of UFC 200. But let's not facts get in the way...

Cathy.C

jcsoulinger wrote: »

What exactly is a little leeway? Do you know exactly what he asked for?

Doesn't matter what it is. Even if he only wanted to attend one press conference, the weigh-in and then the fight, it should be granted to him. He has generated close to half a billion for the company, saved their ass twice, did all the TV shows, interviews etc. Sold out the O2 here for the Aldo press conference for the previous fight. Missing some early press calls now after all that? So be it ffs. These things are only done to make money after all, to sell seats, PPVs, garner interest, but McGregor has done all that for them already. And that's worse case scenario. I highly doubt come mid June he wouldn't be up to a trip to Stockton or wherever the hell they wanted him for one day. He's just doesn't want it non-stop like the last fight is all.

UFC should just have fined him for missing Vegas. Not as if he went AWOL like Nick Diaz. He just didn't want to do that leg of things, and that's according to Dana.

darced

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CSF

darced wrote: »

He knew the fight was off if he didnt go to Vegas, same thing.

Being kicked off a fight for not agreeing to something, is the same thing as pulling out? Really? That's really the argument you're going with?