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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

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  • #2252
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    c montgomery wrote: »
    Exactly

    How could he get motivated to promote a fight after watching someone get beaten to death in a cage.
    I'm sure this tragedy has lots of fighters rethinking their futures.
    Conor used to call mma a game, well the stakes just got higher.

    definitely a factor but the main thing is the workload of media expected of him, obviously wanted to be in top condition going into diaz rematch with the 12 week camp etc. set his terms, ufc dissagreed and he told them to jog on and he was dead right, at this stage ufc need conor more than conor needs the ufc


  • #2253
    [Deleted User]
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    It's all about money.

    There are other big names on the card - they want money to be shared around.

    McGregor lost his last fight - but thinks he should get the same deal as last time.

    But when you lose you don't get as much money.

    Also the UFC will only bend over so far for one fighter. Maybe he has already served his purpose for them in terms of increased publicity.

    McGregor probably took a PR moment to reflect that he can't come out whining about money.

    So comes up with the retirement theatrics.

    Now it's a bit of a game of bluff with McGregor hoping that if the UFC don't back down and pay him more that UFC 200 will have low numbers.

    Maybe it also suits him in that he dodges the Diaz rematch also as he's not so sure he beats him.


  • #2254
    ERG89
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    newballsplease wrote: »
    I'd say it's purely down to Conor not wanting to do a whole theatrical press conference on the back of a fellow MMA fighters death which he was a witness to only recently.
    There's no way he could show up and trash talk how he does if he's got that in the back of his head.
    Conor was obviously looking for a bit of leeway in this instance and UFC weren't budging, so I'd say he said 'f**k you'.
    I think Conor thrives on the press conferences but I doubt he was gonna be able to put on the big show on the back of all what happened to Carvalho.
    And no doubt some idiot in the press would have questioned him on it.
    For Conor I'd say this press conference was one a bit too soon.

    But the thing is if this Carvalho effect on him story is true (honestly I wouldn't know). Why has he gone to train in Iceland for the fight?
    I'd expect if he was effected he would just pull out of the fight or postpone it until NYC in November. He might have to get an earful but if you're not mentally ready to fight you shouldn't. He just pulled a Nick Diaz & then said I'm out (which few belive his fighting days are over).


  • #2255
    newballsplease
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    ERG89 wrote: »
    But the thing is if this Carvalho effect on him story is true (honestly I wouldn't know). Why has he gone to train in Iceland for the fight?
    I'd expect if he was effected he would just pull out of the fight or postpone it until NYC in November. He might have to get an earful but if you're not mentally ready to fight you shouldn't. He just pulled a Nick Diaz & then said I'm out (which few belive his fighting days are over).

    Because he has said himself on numerous occasions about how he always shows up to fight no matter what.
    He wasn't gonna pull out of this on that reason. I think he just wanted a bit of leeway on the press duties for a bit while he gets his head around the Carvalho thing. That's my opinion anyway


  • #2256
    califano
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    His career is going to make a great 30/30 episode.


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  • #2257
    Depp
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    newballsplease wrote: »
    Because he has said himself on numerous occasions about how he always shows up to fight no matter what.
    He wasn't gonna pull out of this on that reason. I think he just wanted a bit of leeway on the press duties for a bit while he gets his head around the Carvalho thing. That's my opinion anyway

    if the tragic passing of joao was the real motivation for this he wouldnt have gone to iceland, knows what hes worth and if the ufc arent prepared to pay its their loss


  • #2258
    JustTheOne
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    Depp wrote: »
    if the tragic passing of joao was the real motivation for this he wouldnt have gone to iceland, knows what hes worth and if the ufc arent prepared to pay its their loss

    But now he makes nothing from the fight by pulling out?

    Not a good business move if that's his thinking.


  • #2259
    paulieeye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭paulieeye


    Depp wrote: »
    if the tragic passing of joao was the real motivation for this he wouldnt have gone to iceland, knows what hes worth and if the ufc arent prepared to pay its their loss

    I'm not so sure. He might not of realised it effected him so much or was in the process of deciding.


  • #2260
    Gamebred
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    There is some awful eijits out there who follow him,on facebook supporter groups complaining about him letting the fans down and how the the country is in a bad state financially and he owes them the fight in july because they have it booked already LOL


    Half of these dole merchants dont realise he could've pulled out a number of fights and still took them at short notice now hes a villain,


    As for the influx of new trolls here,please dont bite to these muppets.


  • #2261
    jones 19
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    Tom1991 wrote: »
    He already fought Nate so how has he ducked him or ran away scared.Christ on a bike.

    Ah, maybe he thought he could beat Diaz first fight, and realises hes screwed if the fight goes ahead, I agree christ on a bike.


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  • #2262
    Lucas Hood
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    JustTheOne wrote: »
    But now he makes nothing from the fight by pulling out?

    Not a good business move if that's his thinking.
    Wouldn't be surprised if he loses money over it.
    Ufc probably smart enough to have clauses in contract to fine him for nothing showing up.


  • #2263
    jones 19
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    Depp wrote: »
    definitely a factor but the main thing is the workload of media expected of him, obviously wanted to be in top condition going into diaz rematch with the 12 week camp etc. set his terms, ufc dissagreed and he told them to jog on and he was dead right, at this stage ufc need conor more than conor needs the ufc
    Bull, look at the media work he has done for a title fight against Aldo, he literally travelled the world and that fight was more important then this.


  • #2264
    Chunky_Monkey
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    its a money issue i bet and now i reckon uncle dana has called his bluff id say , no way he'd just retire unless he's realised he has bitten off more than he can chew with diaz and then winner of edgar v aldo after that ( as per white $


  • #2265
    .ak
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    For me it's pretty simple. The last big world tour he did was the Aldo-then-Mendes fight. He looked mentally and physically drained. He even said it in interviews the press work took it out of him. I think he know he needs better conditioning to win against Diaz and he probably thinks the extra press work is setting him up for a fall.

    I think it's s not ludicrous that the ufc won't move on this. He's their cashcow and the ppv won't be near as good for 200 without him.


  • #2266
    newballsplease
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,751 ✭✭✭newballsplease


    Depp wrote: »
    if the tragic passing of joao was the real motivation for this he wouldnt have gone to iceland, knows what hes worth and if the ufc arent prepared to pay its their loss

    Why wouldn't he have gone to train? I'd have no doubt he was preparing to fight in July.
    I just think he didn't want to do the whole press thing just yet.


  • #2267
    youtube!
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    Since nobody seems to know for sure what is really going on I have decided to make some cash on the thing by compiling my own odds based on the many theories flying around the internet.

    Conor retiring (or not) because ...

    1) Girlfriend Preggers and she is making him quit 6/1

    2) He is afraid of being beaten again by Nate 20/1

    3) He has a recurrence of that old cruciate injury 3/1

    4) He has a terminal illness like a brain tumour 33/1

    5) It's all a big hype train and he will fight 2/1

    6) To fight another opponent at 200 5/1

    7) To fight again as Conor 1/8

    8) Conor now identifies herself as a woman now called Brenda and wants a shot at Miesha Tate 100/1.


    I think that just about covers it. Oh my own theory is the guy has principles ,he just witnessed the death of a fellow fighter and went to Portugal to offer his genuine condolences to Jaos family, he hasn't fallen out of love with the game but he won't be bullied into doing something that his heart is telling him not to, all the guy needs is a bit of time and space to prepare properly and then he will do the pre-fight stuff when he is good and ready, of course if it's in his contract that he must fulfil those obligations then he has made his own bed...and is more than willing to lie in it, I say fair ****s to him but he will be back...in his own sweet time.


  • #2268
    SteM
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    chrisbonnie wrote: »
    It's funny, he's saved 3 shows yet now that he finally wants some form of media break (which I think he's duly earned) Dana decides to make an example of him.

    Talk about eating bread is soon forgotten.

    So he begs for a rematch against Diaz, a match not high on the UFC priority list, wants to headline a major PPV but (according to the UFC) refuses to do any media for it but this is okay? It's not in the UFC interest to have their headliner for UFC 200 not be out promoting the card.


  • #2269
    JustShon
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    The whole thing is just so weird and sudden to me.

    One minute we're discussing why he's having a longer camp than normal and the next he's (maybe) retiring and been pulled from UFC 200.

    He's been very quiet on the matter too. Just posted about retiring and made an instagram post saying he'd been pulled and not explaining any further.

    We can sit here and speculate all day, and sure that has some entertainment value, but we won't really know the whole story until Conor gives more details. We only know Dana's side of the whole being pulled issue and we know basically nothing about the retiring thing.


  • #2270
    Awesomeness
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  • #2271
    EoineyM
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    Wow, was not expecting to hear that this morning! I think its clear that the UFC has taken the first opportunity to reign in their wayward child, albeit their star pupil. McGregor has been great for the UFC and Dana has said that repeatedly. However, it has also come at a major cost in that it has seriously undermined the UFC business model that has served them so well in the past i.e. pay the fighters f**k all and keep all the money themselves. Fair play to McGregor, he did not play ball and wanted a slice of the pie for himself. However you only have to look at that recent press conference with the likes of Faber wearing the suit and attempting (very poorly) to thrash talk Cruz and you can assume that they are also copying McGregor in negotiations i.e. my social media ratings are x, the tickets for my fight are y, screw your 100k I want a cut of ppv etc etc. This messes things up big time for the UFC who have always held the position of power to tell the fighter to P*ss off a la randy couture. You throw into the mix the massive amount of fighters pulling out of fights late now and replacements being sought. In the past fighters would have jumped at the chance to fight on a big card whereas now that negotiation gets even more difficult where a fighter thinks they are needed to save a card. Dana and the fertittas are clear;ly trying to get back that control


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  • #2272
    JustShon
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    Awesomeness wrote: »
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  • #2273
    That_Guy
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    Odd that the UFC wouldn't give a bit more time for media stuff to happen. I get it that ticket sales are on sale soon (or are they on sale already?) so they like to a have a presser before then.

    If the rumours of Carvalho's death are true and it has affected him then it's pretty crap that the UFC would not take into account personal feelings rather than trying to promote a fight and make money.

    Whatever about the jokes about Conor being bigger than the UFC, the chap has done more media coverage than any fighter in the past 2 years and has saved two big cards.


  • #2274
    Depp
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    sure look at 196, record buys, conor had to have dropped out to wait for rda it wouldnt have done 500000


  • #2275
    That_Guy
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    Gamebred wrote: »
    There is some awful eijits out there who follow him,on facebook supporter groups complaining about him letting the fans down and how the the country is in a bad state financially and he owes them the fight in july because they have it booked already LOL


    Half of these dole merchants dont realise he could've pulled out a number of fights and still took them at short notice now hes a villain,


    As for the influx of new trolls here,please dont bite to these muppets.

    He certainly doesn't owe anybody anything but you'd be pretty pissed if you just forked out a lot of money on flights/tickets/hotel to go and watch him fight.

    For many, this will be their first time to Vegas and have probably saved up a lot to travel over. Ok, it's still Vegas and there's still some good fights and lots to do over there but you'd be annoyed and are entitled to ask questions.

    Same happened with me last year when Aldo pulled out of the 189 card. Still an unbelievable card and we still got to see McGregor fight but it's a different ball game because he's seemingly not on the card at all now.

    To call people dole merchants though is really crossing the line though.


  • #2276
    JustShon
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    That_Guy wrote: »
    For many, this will be their first time to Vegas and have probably saved up a lot to travel over. Ok, it's still Vegas and there's still some good fights and lots to do over there but you'd be annoyed and are entitled to ask questions.

    I imagine that a significant portion of the people who have already booked flights / hotels to Vegas were going to be disappointed anyway since tickets haven't gone on sale yet and they're not guaranteed to get one for themselves.

    Long-winded way of saying they shouldn't have bought hotels and flights before knowing if they have a ticket to the fight or not.


  • #2277
    markcahill1985
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    ERG89 wrote: »
    But the thing is if this Carvalho effect on him story is true (honestly I wouldn't know). Why has he gone to train in Iceland for the fight?
    I'd expect if he was effected he would just pull out of the fight or postpone it until NYC in November. He might have to get an earful but if you're not mentally ready to fight you shouldn't. He just pulled a Nick Diaz & then said I'm out (which few belive his fighting days are over).

    Theres a difference between fighting and going out to promote a fight, the UFC likely want Conor at the press conference to generate as much interest in the event as possible, Im guessing Conor may feel that two weeks after a team mate was involved in that tragic fight it may be a bit much to go there and get in Diaz face and do all the things the UFC expect of him, perhaps they could have pushed back the press conference another few weeks and give Conor time, all just guessing but say this has had an impact. Hope Conor told them jog on, the language in the UFC tweet was interesting " WE pulled him from UFC200". Will be interesting see Conors next move.


  • #2278
    markcahill1985
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    That_Guy wrote: »
    Odd that the UFC wouldn't give a bit more time for media stuff to happen. I get it that ticket sales are on sale soon (or are they on sale already?) so they like to a have a presser before then.

    If the rumours of Carvalho's death are true and it has affected him then it's pretty crap that the UFC would not take into account personal feelings rather than trying to promote a fight and make money.

    Whatever about the jokes about Conor being bigger than the UFC, the chap has done more media coverage than any fighter in the past 2 years and has saved two big cards.

    Just posted something similar to this, really think this is the main reason.


  • #2279
    fermanagh_man
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    If you've any interest in MMA/UFC then you will know 200 will be a great event with or without Conor

    I know it sucks he is not on the card anymore but seeing people say they aren't going or even watching UFC anymore if Conor retires is pathetic really


  • #2280
    Depp
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    fermanagh_man wrote: »
    If you've any interest in MMA/UFC then you will know 200 will be a great event with or without Conor

    I know it sucks he is not on the card anymore but seeing people say they aren't going or even watching UFC anymore if Conor retires is pathetic really

    still looking forward to this card definitely but theres no denying the ppv buy rates take a massive hit without conor there


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  • #2281
    badbeatcentral
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    Why is it pathetic? a lot of people (Irish people in particular) only started watching UFC because of Conor, only natural that those people drift away from the sport if he retires.


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