Gangland Shootings in Dublin MOD Warning in Post #1 (updated 29/05/16)

DamienDarts · 14-04-2016 05:06PM

What next?????

SEPT 23 1989 · 14-04-2016 05:18PM

Do gunmen not usually know exactly who rhey are going after?

14-04-2016 05:36PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Do gunmen not usually know exactly who rhey are going after?

Hired ones probably get a description and a location!
Over here your typical professional hit man is another scumbag in a hoodie

SEPT 23 1989 · 14-04-2016 05:43PM

Dosent really add up

hatrickpatrick · 14-04-2016 05:48PM

Jayop wrote: »

Should minimum sentencing be introduced?

Specifically for gangland related activity, yes. I know people will point to the US as an example of a disastrous implementation, but their system applies to a whole range of stuff which should be left at the discretion of judges - personal drug use, non payment of fines, consensual sex between teens, underage drinking etc etc etc. The horror stories you hear regarding "three strikes" life sentences generally involve unbelievably petty crimes, and are rightly condemned.

It's not the same when somebody has been involved with criminal gangs since their teens and shows absolutely no signs whatsoever of ever developing empathy for their fellow humans. Those people need to be locked up for long enough for the Gardai to get a handle on things, so that when they are released, they are released into an environment in which it is impossible for them to operate without getting caught.

hatrickpatrick · 14-04-2016 05:49PM

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

Yeah, usually runners wear runners!
It would be equally strange if they reported a man in brogues or doc martens was Seen running away!

Given that there was apparently a drag event going on in Noctors, "a young male wearing high heels and suspenders" wouldn't be outside the bounds of possibility

hatrickpatrick · 14-04-2016 05:54PM

Jayop wrote: »

Yet again the farcical drugs laws in this country (and most others) puts normal people who just want to smoke a bit of weed in harms way.

Sort the drugs laws in Ireland and put the likes of these gangs completely out of business.

It's not just Ireland TBF. The world needs to wake up to the fact that drugs laws were originally introduced during a time in which social control - stopping promiscuity and the destruction of "family values" - were mainstream political beliefs and not pariahed as they are today. It was never about protecting people or anything like that, that excuse came afterwards - it was about maintaining social order, which in today's individualistic society is itself seen as repressive.

It's widely known for instance that ecstasy wasn't banned because of health concerns, it was banned because of a presumed heightening of the "risk" of one night stands following consumption in nightclubs.

hatrickpatrick · 14-04-2016 05:59PM

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

Hired ones probably get a description and a location!
Over here your typical professional hit man is another scumbag in a hoodie

A pair of college women in the US put out an ad in Craigslist for a hit man to get them out of an exam. They gave very detailed instructions and included a "please do not kill" tag line.

http://www.hngn.com/articles/30841/20140508/students-post-craigslist-ad-hit-man-injure-out-finals.htm

"I am looking for someone to run my friend and I over with their car. We do not want to die, we just want to be injured enough to get out of taking our finals here at UGA.

Please do not kill.""

They further stressed that they didn't have any cash to pay the hit man, and it was for pure enjoyment. The payment offered was simply the enjoyment of "hitting two lovely ladies by vehicle w/permission".

Jayop · 14-04-2016 06:01PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Specifically for gangland related activity, yes. I know people will point to the US as an example of a disastrous implementation, but their system applies to a whole range of stuff which should be left at the discretion of judges - personal drug use, non payment of fines, consensual sex between teens, underage drinking etc etc etc. The horror stories you hear regarding "three strikes" life sentences generally involve unbelievably petty crimes, and are rightly condemned.

It's not the same when somebody has been involved with criminal gangs since their teens and shows absolutely no signs whatsoever of ever developing empathy for their fellow humans. Those people need to be locked up for long enough for the Gardai to get a handle on things, so that when they are released, they are released into an environment in which it is impossible for them to operate without getting caught.

Gangland and violent crimes should be punished very seriously.

MonkieSocks · 14-04-2016 06:16PM

Is there any CCV cameras in the area?

Thought I seen one down there a few weeks, but can't remember where.

Gun found in wheelie bin, would it not have been easier to throw it down Spencers Dock.

Ronin247 · 14-04-2016 06:20PM

We keep on talking about the " scumbags " and drug dealers but the real problem with this country is the amount of lawyers. ... they are the real scumbags in my opinion .

It suits lawyers and judges to have a revolving door of criminals in and out of courts getting untold millions in legal aid spent propping up their companies.

The legal eagles ( lawyers ) in the state departments draft laws, which the legal profession ( lawyers ) use to get their clients off or at worst case get the judges ( ex lawyers ) to suspend a sentence.

No one should be entitled to free legal aid more than 3 times. That would help a lot.

It is the same reason for car insurance prices rising. .... the cost of claims. They actually have managed to circumvent the Personal Injuries Board to keep the legal professions gravy train going.

hatrickpatrick · 14-04-2016 06:39PM

Ronin247 wrote: »

We keep on talking about the " scumbags " and drug dealers but the real problem with this country is the amount of lawyers. ... they are the real scumbags in my opinion .

It suits lawyers and judges to have a revolving door of criminals in and out of courts getting untold millions in legal aid spent propping up their companies.

The legal eagles ( lawyers ) in the state departments draft laws, which the legal profession ( lawyers ) use to get their clients off or at worst case get the judges ( ex lawyers ) to suspend a sentence.

No one should be entitled to free legal aid more than 3 times. That would help a lot.

It is the same reason for car insurance prices rising. .... the cost of claims. They actually have managed to circumvent the Personal Injuries Board to keep the legal professions gravy train going.

To be fair, denying anyone the right to legal representation would not only desecrate the concept of due process, but would be very probably be illegal under EU and perhaps even international law.

Little CuChulainn · 14-04-2016 06:49PM

TheFatHombre wrote: »

Yea but the ERU are a unit of a few hundred maybe a thousand strong,

More like 50

TheFatHombre wrote: »

Apparently the young man was down on sheriff street just to buy abit of grass, poor lad woke up this morning not knowing he'd be sleeping in a morgue tonight, tragic.. ****in scum need to be dealt with a strong hand, they have so much money they can tie court cases up for years, all this ****ing left wing side of fixing things need to stop, it's no wonder you have vigilante groups roaming the city when the guards are out of there element.. Most guards who police the inner city are boggers from small villages in the country the only bit of crime there used to is someone tipping the local cow over... They are not equipped to protect the citizens FACT!!

Most Gardaí in Dublin have been there since they left the college. They are very experienced in policing in Dublin. Country people policing Dublin is not the issue. The revolving prison doors are the main issue.

Esel · 14-04-2016 06:51PM

eisenberg1 wrote: »

It's a while since any of the Gardai had Uzis.

I have seen them on the news over the past few weeks. They must have been brought out of storage since this feud started.

14-04-2016 06:52PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Dosent really add up

What doesnt add up?
Mistaken identity?
Ever hear of Shane Geoghan?

Joeseph Balls · 14-04-2016 06:59PM

TheFatHombre wrote: »

Most guards who police the inner city are boggers from small villages in the country the only bit of crime there used to is someone tipping the local cow over... They are not equipped to protect the citizens FACT!!

Or maybe a bit of burglary from lads using the the m6 and m7 for easy access :rolleyes:
Gaurds don't just walk out of school and get a pair of hand cuffs and an area to police thrown at them. They are trained no matter where they are from.

coniosumadre · 14-04-2016 07:26PM

bubblypop wrote: »

What doesnt add up?
Mistaken identity?
Ever hear of Shane Geoghan?

They keep talking about the intended target, but at no point do they say that he was present at the time. Even the guards have said they can't say if it's related to the Kinahans yet, it's the tabloids who are saying that.

Gerinspain · 14-04-2016 07:35PM

Governments should look for a way to make all drugs legal and put these feckers out of business. Yes, I know they would move on to some other criminal endeavour but the target market for drugs is huge compared to, say, prostitution.

Gamebred · 14-04-2016 07:43PM

The shooter will be caught I'd guess,hopefully anyways,it was very amatuerish hit.

arayess · 14-04-2016 07:48PM

given the millions of euro floating about the two gangs in the feud it doesn't add up that the shooter was on a bicycle

http://www.mirror.co.uk/incoming/dublin-shooting-horror-man-blasted-7756471

maybe I'm wrong but I think there is something else at play here like local grief..

spurious · 14-04-2016 07:52PM

Bicycle would be by far the best method to choose down there to get away.

Blowfish · 14-04-2016 07:58PM

It's also not the first time someone on Sheriff St. has been shot by someone on a bike, it also happened in 2010: http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0714/133297-byrnes/

[edit]Actually, thinking about it, a bike or motorbike makes a lot of sense. Cars can only get onto that bit of Sheriff St. from the East, all the other directions are blocked off with Bollards etc. Shooting someone on a bike and then heading straight for the pedestrian shortcuts means there's no chance a car could follow you.

JustTheOne · 14-04-2016 08:18PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Why don't you throw up a comparison of the number of gang members prosecuted compared to the number of protesters and republicans prosecuted. My god, your post is so moronic it gave me a headache.

Come on use your head.

Criminals can openly operate and accumulate millions.
They drive the best of cars, wear the best of cloths and sport the finest jewellery, yet remain free to walk the streets. Republicans are arrested held in prison without bail for many months only for trials to collapse.

I'm not a republican or sticking up for them but the gards have had so much success against them.

There is something not right about it all.

flanzer · 14-04-2016 08:48PM

He's was probably on a bike because it was probably some junkie scrote that had a debt to pay

Howjoe1 · 14-04-2016 09:04PM

Victim was known to the Guards, but still presumed not the intended victim.

Benteke · 14-04-2016 09:10PM

He was homeless with drug problems in the wrong place at the wrong time

arayess · 14-04-2016 09:24PM

spurious wrote: »

Bicycle would be by far the best method to choose down there to get away.

eh no.
I know they are narrow streets but on a bike you are vunerable and you don't get that far away relative to a motorbike

flanzer wrote: »

He's was probably on a bike because it was probably some junkie scrote that had a debt to pay

this is more likely the scenario

spurious · 14-04-2016 09:47PM

arayess wrote: »

eh no.
I know they are narrow streets but on a bike you are vunerable and you don't get that far away relative to a motorbike

I doubt the plan was for him to get too far away on the bicycle, just out of the general area. So many ways he could go on foot once he got onto Seville place. Slow to walking pace, ditch whatever hoodie he was wearing and it's very easy to blend in.

Doubtful it was draglady they were looking for, would it not be a more portly associate of his?

Atlantic Dawn · 14-04-2016 10:08PM

Nicola Tallant on talking about it on Prime Time RTÉ1

Birdie Num Num · 14-04-2016 10:43PM

Gerinspain wrote: »

Governments should look for a way to make all drugs legal and put these feckers out of business. Yes, I know they would move on to some other criminal endeavour but the target market for drugs is huge compared to, say, prostitution.

One of the biggest problems on the streets of Dublin at the moment are drugs that can be bought legally but are sold illegally. Cigarettes are no different. Legalise drugs is just another sound bite that people choose to voice without actually thinking it through. Also, I can imagine many criminals are involved in both drugs and prostitution. Something else I don't get is the call to not punish those who carry drugs for personal use. It's a bit like not punishing drivers who drive too fast but punishing garages and manufacturers that sell and make them. There is also a tide turning to punish those who buy sex rather than sell it to tackle prostitution as has just happened in France. Why should drugs be any different?

Gangland Shootings in Dublin MOD Warning in Post #1 (updated 29/05/16)

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