Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

wats the craic · 13-04-2016 10:58PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Spread it out jack ,fertliser requirement is put to 3 merchants including my own and cheapest quote gets business .i buy fert 3/4 times a year.dont buy any meal off my coop due to quality and poor nutritional back up.all cow feed bought off roches feeds ,never an issue with price /advice or quality .doing it this way spreads the credit !!!!

yes it always best to spread the costs around unless you want one company have you by the balls .this is going to be along painfull yr i think , and here i have just bought a new bulk tank

mf240 · 13-04-2016 11:01PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Whereabouts you based, if your only option was Lakeland don't beat yourself up to much, they wouldn't entertain taking us on as weren't " poaching" glanbia suppliers

Arrawbanw lorry would be coming near enough.

Timmaay · 13-04-2016 11:02PM

Buy 90% of my feed of a smaller feed company but make sure still to price around and keep them on their toes.

mf240 · 13-04-2016 11:03PM

Glanbia are very competitive on fert.

No point in cutting of your nose to spite you face.

They are miles out on dairy nut prices. THough.

jack o shea · 13-04-2016 11:07PM

I'm finished with them won't buy a roll of wire off them till they start paying us for the milk, I'd rather pay more to the smaller merchant than give it to them counts.

wats the craic · 13-04-2016 11:12PM

maybe its time for dairy farmers to protest against gill like they have done in france and stand to the ......... and shower of .........

mf240 · 13-04-2016 11:19PM

We should go on strike like the lads that drive the little trains in Dublin .

jack o shea · 13-04-2016 11:20PM

There should be a slurry tanker of milk funked in the sitting room windows of begin and talbot houses to start off with.

wats the craic · 13-04-2016 11:27PM

na that be to nice for them tank of slurry would be better . but seen bergin is a pig he be happy out rolling in ****e . well its time for grass roots farmers to take up the fight . want could they really do if a real strong group of suppliers threaten to leave and break the msa . i know i dont supply gil but they are just bullys , for once in our lives have got stand up demand change or leave .

Bass Reeves · 13-04-2016 11:36PM

wats the craic wrote: »

na that be to nice for them tank of slurry would be better . but seen bergin is a pig he be happy out rolling in ****e . well its time for grass roots farmers to take up the fight . want could they really do if a real strong group of suppliers threaten to leave and break the msa . i know i dont supply gil but they are just bullys , for once in our lives have got stand up demand change or leave .

The problem is where would you go to. Other co-op do not want more milk at present as well they might be afraid of taking a militant group of suppliers.

wats the craic · 13-04-2016 11:57PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The problem is where would you go to. Other co-op do not want more milk at present as well they might be afraid of taking a militant group of suppliers.

fear of change is not a reason to stay put and be treated like gill slave . i was seen as a mad man when i left wmp to go strathroy it was jump into the unknow . but it was the best thing i have done has a farmer . althought i was our family founder memebers of wexford creamery nearly 60 yrs of history . see the likes of gil are banking on ye staying put but say up to 1000 suppliers say we have enough and we are out and moving to new coop how can they stop you . its time to rise up and fight for your farm and your families . cant depend on ifa they are worst than useless . arrange meeting in your areas talk to your local fellow suppliers find out they think act now , either that or as whelan said give out at the local ifa which is worthless . we have to get the support of the irish people behind us expose the wages of the glanbia management and what we get in return . if you ask any coop prvt they will tell you they hate glanbia , but they are scared to take them on . but if glanbia are fighting a revoultion with thier own suppliers den its game on and bergin will have a different smile on his smug face . we have to think outside the box and if that means forcing gill hand in changing the way they do bussiness so be it .

jack o shea · 14-04-2016 12:06AM

Lads couldn't sign that ms a thing quick enough like sheep they were.i think it's not worth a **** anyway if it came to it would it stand up in court?

wats the craic · 14-04-2016 12:12AM

jack o shea wrote: »

Lads couldn't sign that ms a thing quick enough like sheep they were.i think it's not worth a **** anyway if it came to it would it stand up in court?

no irish msa would stand up in a european court they are ilegal under the the european milk package . cant have long term contracts without fixed price to the supplier .

Dawggone · 14-04-2016 12:18AM

The hubris/arrogance of this thread from just a few months back has evaporated.....
Speaking to suppliers from home there're convinced that another 2cpl drop is coming down the tracks.

All's well.
#grasstomilk.

:)

How about # takecontrol??

The cheerleaders have gone awfully quiet...

jack o shea · 14-04-2016 12:23AM

The French would have glanbia burnt to the ground by now and fair play to them, we are a gutless shower.

Milked out · 14-04-2016 12:33AM

Dawggone wrote: »

The hubris/arrogance of this thread from just a few months back has evaporated.....
Speaking to suppliers from home there're convinced that another 2cpl drop is coming down the tracks.

All's well.
#grasstomilk. :)

How about # takecontrol??

The cheerleaders have gone awfully quiet...

If the french didn't have their domestic market would the milk price be anywhere near it's current figure there? From what I hear friesland campina will soon struggle to offload product as well, all systems are gonna come under pressure in this period. Obviously we are more exposed with no liquid market to speak off so everything exported and even product going to companies using it here all at world prices. We can't grow your maize or soya or lucerne consistently or at your costs all we can grow consistently is grass. It may not be cheaper than your feedstuffs but it's all we can focus on really to compete at all.

Dawggone · 14-04-2016 12:50AM

Milked out wrote: »

If the french didn't have their domestic market would the milk price be anywhere near it's current figure there? From what I hear friesland campina will soon struggle to offload product as well, all systems are gonna come under pressure in this period. Obviously we are more exposed with no liquid market to speak off so everything exported and even product going to companies using it here all at world prices. We can't grow your maize or soya or lucerne consistently or at your costs all we can grow consistently is grass. It may not be cheaper than your feedstuffs but it's all we can focus on really to compete at all.

+1.
But, but, but...#grasstomilk!

Reality bites. I've posted on here relentlessly about my CoP and my system. Often to ridicule.
I'm not afraid of any stress test.

As an outsider looking in, your Coops are taking you for a ride.

#gtm, survival of the fittest, leanest and meanest, blah blah ain't worth squat.
Your asset (land), your work (labour), your investment (money) is being mugged by your processor.

Wake. The Fcuk. Up.

Not personal Milked Out. Just my own observations.

Milked out · 14-04-2016 01:00AM

Dawggone wrote: »

+1.
But, but, but...#grasstomilk!

Reality bites. I've posted on here relentlessly about my CoP and my system. Often to ridicule.
I'm not afraid of any stress test.

As an outsider looking in, your Coops are taking you for a ride.

#gtm, survival of the fittest, leanest and meanest, blah blah ain't worth squat.
Your asset (land), your work (labour), your investment (money) is being mugged by your processor.

Wake. The Fcuk. Up.

Not personal Milked Out. Just my own observations.

No offence taken, but what is the solution if that is the case., Bar the west cork coops the rest are all within a cent or so of each other for the most part. Value added products? Perhaps we should of went off and bought that baby food plant in limerick when it was up for sale. Danone and the like increasing profits due to milk being on the floor. Obviously at the price it went for something like that would have been too much of a risk but what other products can return a higher price in the troughs that are exportable on.a large scale? Not against looking into any of it but what is the the solution for the irish farmer?

kowtow · 14-04-2016 09:06AM

Milked out wrote:

No offence taken, but what is the solution if that is the case., Bar the west cork coops the rest are all within a cent or so of each other for the most part. Value added products? Perhaps we should of went off and bought that baby food plant in limerick when it was up for sale. Danone and the like increasing profits due to milk being on the floor. Obviously at the price it went for something like that would have been too much of a risk but what other products can return a higher price in the troughs that are exportable on.a large scale? Not against looking into any of it but what is the the solution for the irish farmer?

Its not a solution, but keeping smaller coops is essential if farmers are to stand a chance.

Ideally I'd like to see coops totally separate, responsible only for collection, and a transparent auction system to let farmers to decide where their milk is sold for processing and on what contract terms.

It wasn't possible when the NZ system of one big coop was conceived but it is now - properly done it is the only way to balance power and risk between farmer and processor.

Panch18 · 14-04-2016 09:10AM

kowtow wrote: »

Its not a solution, but keeping smaller coops is essential if farmers are to stand a chance.

Ideally I'd like to see coops totally separate, responsible only for collection, and a transparent auction system to let farmers to decide where their milk is sold for processing and on what contract terms.

It wasn't possible when the NZ system of one big coop was conceived but it is now - properly done it is the only way to balance power and risk between farmer and processor.

I would have to disagree with your proposal kowtow

That would be grand in a rising or high price scenario but in a falling and low price scenario the coops would simply not take your milk and would have no obligation to either. And what is a farmer supposed to do then with a full tank of milk and nowhere to go with it??

Panch18 · 14-04-2016 09:12AM

The key to success (survival is probably a much more appropriate word here!!) is pumping milk that's like treacle, solids is the key combined with cost control

Get the maximum price that you can above base price, white water has no place in Irish milk production in current times

kowtow · 14-04-2016 09:15AM

That's exactly what is happening now.

Plenty of middle men would be happy to buy a tanker of milk and sell it into intervention for a few pips, which is exactly what our coops are doing.

The difference is that right now every coop member is paying for it in a low price across the board.

Typically in a transparent system established farms would contract a good chunk of their planned supply with processors at a premium for a fixed term. The spot milk is the unwanted surplus so being paid fÃ႒â€”Ã႒â€” all for it is a timely signal to turn off the taps.

But with all coops doing the collection and distribution the accident of geography would be removed, farmers and processors would compete on a level field with coops as the agent.

Panch18 · 14-04-2016 09:21AM

kowtow wrote: »

That's exactly what is happening now.

Plenty of middle men would be happy to buy a tanker of milk and sell it into intervention for a few pips, which is exactly what our coops are doing.

The difference is that right now every coop member is paying for it in a low price across the board.

Typically in a transparent system established farms would contract a good chunk of their planned supply with processors at a premium for a fixed term. The spot milk is the unwanted surplus so being paid fÃ႒â€”Ã႒â€” all for it is a timely signal to turn off the taps.

But with all coops doing the collection and distribution the accident of geography would be removed, farmers and processors would compete on a level field with coops as the agent.

So effectively that's a milk supply agreement with a fixed price?? Which we have in some form, albeit small fixed amounts, at the moment

WheatenBriar · 14-04-2016 09:21AM

kowtow wrote: »

That's exactly what is happening now.

Plenty of middle men would be happy to buy a tanker of milk and sell it into intervention for a few pips, which is exactly what our coops are doing.

The difference is that right now every coop member is paying for it in a low price across the board.

Typically in a transparent system established farms would contract a good chunk of their planned supply with processors at a premium for a fixed term. The spot milk is the unwanted surplus so being paid fÃ—Ã— all for it is a timely signal to turn off the taps.

Will GiiL reach Talbots 30 million profit target?
In context,if that target was reduced to €10 million ,that's €5000 to each of their suppliers divvied out if the €30 million surplus is reached

If it hasn't a hope of being reached,it begs the question this time with CAPITAL letters why it was decided to shaft the supplier to aim for that in the first place

What do you think Talbot and co would do if GiiL became loss making,would they have the balls to dump it?
Would that prompt the board to actually act in farmers interests finally?

Milked out · 14-04-2016 09:41AM

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/ornua-suspends-dairy-farmer-levy-in-light-of-sector-difficulties/

If the ppi is indicating a return of 25c Glanbia are a bit of it with 22c, and the rest of us likely to follow

jaymla627 · 14-04-2016 09:54AM

Panch18 wrote: »

The key to success (survival is probably a much more appropriate word here!!) is pumping milk that's like treacle, solids is the key combined with cost control

Get the maximum price that you can above base price, white water has no place in Irish milk production in current times

Define white water, average solids here last year was 3.93 fat 3.53 pr, but sent in 532kgs milk solids on co-op report of 1.2 ton of meal....
The top 10% in glanbia got 33.1 and I averaged 30.4, if you take your average cow at 5000 litres they achieved 150 euro more than I done on these litres, but I sent in 7000 litres a cow so would of sent in 458 euros more milk even when the 150 they got extra in solids is taken into account....
Total spend on meal was 325 a cow in my herd and say the 5000 litres fed half a ton so his costs would be 125.....
So I'm up 258 euro all things been even assuming both herds of cows had the same costs for grass/silage been fed, then if we wade into the cull/calf value debate I'm winning here too, point I'm trying to make a good solid hol/fr cow is just as resilient to surviving a low price year as a crossbreed lady pumping out treacle haha

WheatenBriar · 14-04-2016 10:09AM

jaymla627 wrote: »

So I'm up 258 euro all things been even assuming both herds of cows had the same costs

No you are DOWN 3c a litre based on what GiiL should be paying
So on a cow giving say 6000 litres a year,you need to consider you are being codded out of 180 euros per cow that belongs to you,not the greedy monolith
Your return above base price does not bring back what you've been codded out of on base because your return above base you'd be getting for your work on that anyway
Its the story the greedy monolith dont want telling or exposed

kowtow · 14-04-2016 10:12AM

Panch18 wrote:

So effectively that's a milk supply agreement with a fixed price?? Which we have in some form, albeit small fixed amounts, at the moment

Its a market place allowing every farmer to contract directly with every and any processor on whatever terms they agree, fixed or otherwise. A sensible farmer might supply more than one processor and on different contracts.

The coops would just collect and deliver.

It would spawn new high value processors and force the others to compete for milk (and of course move prices realistically and rapidly when there is too much milk)

It would be a huge change and it would upset a lot of vested interests, but done properly it would be world leading and as important in its own way as the coop movement.

Connect the farmer closer to his customers (deliberate plural).

Why would anyone not do that?

Farmer Ed · 14-04-2016 10:16AM

Panch18 wrote: »

I would have to disagree with your proposal kowtow

That would be grand in a rising or high price scenario but in a falling and low price scenario the coops would simply not take your milk and would have no obligation to either. And what is a farmer supposed to do then with a full tank of milk and nowhere to go with it??

The idea that the co op would not take your milk is just probably the biggest lie ever spun by co ops in an effort to get people to sign contracts. Under co up law the co op is obliged to take all your milk if your a shareholder. That's the law full stop as for not taking new suppliers in times of poor milk price? Just a month ago almost every farmer who had gone to Arrabawn who met Dairygold reported they were asked to come back.

Apparently Dairygold mustn't have enough powder in stores.

Farmer Ed · 14-04-2016 10:29AM

kowtow wrote: »

Its a market place allowing every farmer to contract directly with every and any processor on whatever terms they agree, fixed or otherwise. A sensible farmer might supply more than one processor and on different contracts.

The coops would just collect and deliver.

It would spawn new high value processors and force the others to compete for milk (and of course move prices realistically and rapidly when there is too much milk)

It would be a huge change and it would upset a lot of vested interests, but done properly it would be world leading and as important in its own way as the coop movement.

Connect the farmer closer to his customers (deliberate plural).

Why would anyone not do that?

Just one problem. It could get complicated when collecting levies. And spare a thought for the nobs on the boards of quangos.it might cause some friction and make them feel uncomfortable.

Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

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