Why don't we have speed cameras everywhere?

gozunda · 12-04-2016 04:12PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Emoticons don't change what was actually stated in that tweet either.

Jayop · 12-04-2016 04:56PM

The quote could just as easily have said something like this and made sense...

made up traffic tweet wrote:

GARDA Traffic ... got ANPR hit on this car - the driver was drunk, had no steering wheel and no Tax.Car seized, court to follow

The reference to the ANPR doesn't mean the whole thing was discovered by it.

job seeker · 12-04-2016 05:22PM

biko wrote: »

Probably a cost thing. I assume they prioritise the areas where the most people are and speeding is more likely to cause problems.

If I remember correctly. The rsa stated the camera vans were been placed where fatal car accidents have occurred were people were killed. But I only see them on national roads. Where no serious accident happened...

Jayop · 12-04-2016 05:27PM

job seeker wrote: »

If I remember correctly. The rsa stated the camera vans were been placed where fatal car accidents have occurred were people were killed. But I only see them on national roads. Where no serious accident happened...

That was supposed to be the case (or maybe serious accidents) but I'm not convinced by it at all. I'm 100% sure they're placed in places where accidents that have occurred were not caused by people breaking the set speed limits.

gozunda · 12-04-2016 07:10PM

Jayop wrote: »

The quote could just as easily have said something like this and made sense...
The reference to the ANPR doesn't mean the whole thing was discovered by it.

Yup could have but didn't. As for the imaginary tweet - the flaw there is that the state of being drunk etc is not something that can be detected by APNR.

The tweet states what it states. Anything else is simply being inferred.
The point is that the APNR system was set up to check complience with driver requirements. Whether it currently does some or all can only be answered by the AGS.

mikeecho · 12-04-2016 07:24PM

Speed cams aren't everywhere cos they cost money to run, money that isn't there.
And because they operate at a financial loss.

Now, if they scrapped the points system, and only had monetary fines, and admitted that it is a revenue exercise.

I'd be all in favour

ironclaw · 12-04-2016 07:36PM

mikeecho wrote: »

Speed cams aren't everywhere cos they cost money to run, money that isn't there.
And because they operate at a financial loss.

Suppose that's the point though, no one is questioning why they are running at a loss. But then again, zero incentive to be efficient either on GoSafes side (Given a generous tender) and the State side (The fine process is entirely a State body, so we all know what goes on there)

This tech is not expensive, its well established. You can run ANPR on a Raspberry Pi. It is not hard to scale this up to be robust and applicable to the real world. There is no reason why the entire country couldn't be littered with mobile and fixed systems for Tax, NCT, Insurance and Speed. There is just no incentive to do so from any side.

mikeecho · 12-04-2016 07:51PM

ironclaw wrote: »

Suppose that's the point though, no one is questioning why they are running at a loss. But then again, zero incentive to be efficient either on GoSafes side (Given a generous tender) and the State side (The fine process is entirely a State body, so we all know what goes on there)

This tech is not expensive, its well established. You can run ANPR on a Raspberry Pi. It is not hard to scale this up to be robust and applicable to the real world. There is no reason why the entire country couldn't be littered with mobile and fixed systems for Tax, NCT, Insurance and Speed. There is just no incentive to do so from any side.

Again, the cost after a ridiculous tender process

sdanseo · 12-04-2016 07:55PM

Speed limits in many places are shockingly inadequate, both above and below. Also, speed does not kill half as many people as stupidity does, and I'm genuinely of the belief that we should have variable speed limits everywhere because 100km/h on the busy M50 vs 100km/h at 4am are two wildly different things.

Alas, neither my suggestion nor the OP's are likely in the immediate future because outside of the motorway network we can't even maintain the roads we have, or even paint straight lines one them - let alone police them.

Sh1tbag OToole · 12-04-2016 11:10PM

No. Feck the surveillance society

Jesus. · 12-04-2016 11:34PM

Couldn't have put it better meself Sh!tbag

Canadel · 13-04-2016 12:41AM

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

No. Feck the surveillance society

But there already are speed cameras in operation.

The issue seems to be cost as others have said.

ED E · 13-04-2016 12:50AM

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

No. Feck the surveillance society

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Del2005 · 13-04-2016 06:56AM

mikeecho wrote: »

Speed cams aren't everywhere cos they cost money to run, money that isn't there.
And because they operate at a financial loss.

The thing is that if they really where about safety then having them everywhere, or at least at black spots, and not catching a single vehicle speeding means that they are 100% affective. The current setup where they catch people means that they aren't doing what they are supposed to do and still cost a lot to operate.

Sh1tbag OToole · 13-04-2016 10:53AM

ED E wrote: »

Not Shown:

Posted from Windows 10

Xubuntu 15.10

cletus · 13-04-2016 12:15PM

Del2005 wrote: »

The thing is that if they really where about safety then having them everywhere, or at least at black spots, and not catching a single vehicle speeding means that they are 100% affective. The current setup where they catch people means that they aren't doing what they are supposed to do and still cost a lot to operate.

Dont agree with that. There are signs up to denote sped camera van locations, and a website that lists every location in the country.

People will stil just chance it, or be oblivious. How many times have people come on heqre to complain that they were caugt by a camera van

Indricotherium · 13-04-2016 12:23PM

What if people with more than say, eight penalty points for speeding, were issued with a gps tracer that they had to carry at all times when driving a vehicle?

Caught speeding again banned for 2 years

Caught driving without the monitor, banned for life

Jayop · 13-04-2016 01:03PM

Indricotherium wrote: »

What if people with more than say, eight penalty points for speeding, were issued with a gps tracer that they had to carry at all times when driving a vehicle?

Caught speeding again banned for 2 years

Caught driving without the monitor, banned for life

Because it's not North Korea we live in.

We don't even fit trackers to rapists so I doubt they'll be fitted to otherwise law abiding drivers any time soon.

Indricotherium · 13-04-2016 01:12PM

Jayop wrote: »

Because it's not North Korea we live in.

We don't even fit trackers to rapists so I doubt they'll be fitted to otherwise law abiding drivers any time soon.

but the speed rapist travel at isn't really important?

Del2005 · 13-04-2016 02:10PM

cletus wrote: »

Dont agree with that. There are signs up to denote sped camera van locations, and a website that lists every location in the country.

People will stil just chance it, or be oblivious. How many times have people come on heqre to complain that they were caugt by a camera van

The speed vans aren't in accident black spots. They are supposed to be where fatalities occurred, but even with that they aren't located where people died and since the cause of death is never published how do we know exceeding the speed limit was a factor.

Jesus. · 13-04-2016 02:14PM

Indricotherium wrote: »

What if people with more than say, eight penalty points for speeding, were issued with a gps tracer that they had to carry at all times when driving a vehicle? Caught speeding again banned for 2 yearsCaught driving without the monitor, banned for life

Why? What's the obsession with penalising motorists more than they are already?

Hercule · 13-04-2016 02:15PM

speed vans are a revenue generation exercise masquerading as a road safety initiative

Indricotherium · 13-04-2016 02:46PM

Hercule wrote: »

speed vans are a revenue generation exercise masquerading as a road safety initiative

But if you drive under the limit they don't generate revenue?????

pa990 · 13-04-2016 02:53PM

Hercule wrote: »

speed vans are a revenue generation exercise masquerading as a road safety initiative

they are not generating revenue.

they bring in a fraction of what they cost to operate

Jayop · 13-04-2016 03:49PM

Indricotherium wrote: »

but the speed rapist travel at isn't really important?

I honestly hope you're not serious. If so then way to miss the point.

Anyway. I'm not a fan of these vans as has been evidenced by my posting on here however while trying to find a counter argument to them I found something that's not been posted here before (that I noticed).

They were introduced in 2010 (Nov) and in every year since then we've has under 200 road deaths. That's the only 5 years since records began in 1959 that the number has dropped below 200.

Now I will add that I understand correlation doesn't equal causation and the numbers had been falling steadily since 2005 but it's a significant fact.

I hate the vans, I hate where they're placed and I do think a lot of time they're shooting fish in a barrel, but there's a good chance that them being there has caused a lot of people to think about their driving style and adjust.

Personally I'd rather see cops doing this job but that's not going to change now.

Jayop · 13-04-2016 03:49PM

pa990 wrote: »

they are not generating revenue.

they bring in a fraction of what they cost to operate

Any source on that?

pa990 · 13-04-2016 03:59PM

Jayop wrote: »

Any source on that?

http://www.thejournal.ie/penalty-points-1526372-Jun2014/

wrote:

GoSafe

An Garda Síochána’s speed camera operations were outsourced to GoSafe in November 2010 and became fully operational in March 2011.

The cost of operating the GoSafe system was €0.2 million including VAT in 2010, €15.8 million in 2011 and €15.6 million in 2012. The estimated cost for 2013 is €16.6 million.

Receipts collected in 2012 from fixed charge notices issued on foot of detections by the GoSafe safety cameras amounted to €4.6 million.

As a result, there was a shortfall of €11 million relative to the cost of the service. An Garda Síochána made up for this through money made from penalty points issued in other ways such as Garda camera vans.

and

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/17m-for-speed-camera-firm-in-2014-314222.html

wrote:

According to figures provided by the Minister for Justice, Frances Fitzgerald, GoSafe’s Fixed Charge Penalties from speeding fine detections have generated €18.9m in income between November 2010 to the end of June 2014.

Thats €18.9m over 4 years, and the yearly contract is circa €17m

Melodeon · 13-04-2016 04:03PM

Indricotherium wrote: »

but the speed rapist travel at isn't really important?

You can say whatever else you like about paedophiles, but at least they slow down outside schools and playgrounds!

joujoujou · 13-04-2016 04:04PM

Jayop wrote: »

Any source on that?

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/speed-cameras-not-selffinancing-30422285.html

ironclaw · 13-04-2016 06:03PM

@pa990, you really have to ask yourself what they are spending the money on. There are fully fledged businesses with less people and more overheads doing more with less than that. Insanity.

Why don't we have speed cameras everywhere?

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