Why don't we have speed cameras everywhere?

pablo128

Del2005 wrote: »

So it's OK for a driver who isn't roadworthy to drive a vehicle to and from a roadworthiness test?

No-one said it's OK. But it's not something the nct is concerned with. They test the car, not the driver.

Jesus.

I'm of a mind to think the OP is trolling

Wibbs

Vic_08 wrote: »

Is this the thread for people who read 1984 and thought it all sounded like a great idea?

Some cultures seem to have a quite large element within that need constant oversight and they're only happy when they have it and for all the "rebel Irish" talk, we're most certainly one of them. There's also a puritanical hair shirt element to our culture too. Mix them together and you get Maude Flanders all over the place. I'm most certainly not some American prepper living in a shack going on about "big government", but the amount of people calling for more responsibility to be taken from them beggars belief. For that kind of personality 1984 isn't a horror, it's a Disney flic.

Del2005 wrote: »

If that is the case why are boreens with grass down the middle 80km/h and some sections of N roads 60km/h? What happened to the N4 when it changed to an R that it had to drop from a 100 to an 80?

Most of our speed limits are completely out of whack for the road with some being way to high and others stupidity low.

+1000 I can think of a few back roads that unless your last name happened to be Fangio, no way would you be safe driving near the posted limit, whereas others even a hamfisted gobdaw like me could comfortably exceed the posted limit with little danger of twisted metal death.

Jesus. wrote: »

I'm of a mind to think the OP is trolling

I doubt it and this kinda thing will be on our roads and soon enough too. IIRC under EU law(big shock) all cars from last year(again IIRC) have to be fitted with GPS. Wouldn't take much for them to transmit that data when "required by the state". And then we have the coming iPhones on wheels self driving with apps cars. The car is going the way of the horse. A pet only used for recreation in specific areas. Which isn't entirely an awful thing but the big brother shizzle I could do without.

NiallBoo

Del2005 wrote: »

So it's OK for a driver who isn't roadworthy to drive a vehicle to and from a roadworthiness test?

An off-the-road car could be brought on a trailer and everything would be legit.

duffman3833

i think the op's post isn't a good solution because basically s**t happens. People make actions. Unless you can replace all of us with robots, road deaths will always happen

gozunda

pablo128 wrote: »

You don't need to show insurance in order to obtain an NCT. Just your licence.

My bad that should have been insurance and motor tax ie where you need to have a current Certificate of Insurance to obtain motor tax.

In relation to the the nct the guidelines state

Remember to bring ID

Anybody who is presenting a vehicle for an NCT is required to produce their Driving Licence (or Passport) as a form of identification. Please ensure you bring your Driving Licence (or Passport) with you when presenting a vehicle, otherwise the NCTS may not be able to carry out the test. This is required to prevent fraud and to help facilitate investigations and appeals. All data checking is carried out in accordance with Data Protection requirements.

For bookings made at the test centre, only driving licences or a Trade Management Fob will be accepted from 28th July 2014.

ohnonotgmail

gozunda wrote: »

My bad that should have been insurance and motor tax ie where you need to have a current Certificate of Insurance to obtain motor tax.

In relation to the the nct the guidelines state

You dont need a current certificate of insurance to tax a car. you can do it online and put in any info at all in the insurance cert no field and it will accept. it doesnt check if the policy is valid or even that the policy exists.

Indricotherium

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

You dont need a current certificate of insurance to tax a car. you can do it online and put in any info at all in the insurance cert no field and it will accept. it doesnt check if the policy is valid or even that the policy exists.

But that is fraud?

Del2005

Indricotherium wrote: »

But that is fraud?

They never took any details when I used to tax in the office, sometimes they never even looked at the cert. The database isn't used for anything and if my insurance expires the day after I tax online then the policy information is out of date with no ability to update the information.

gozunda

Del2005 wrote: »

They never took any details when I used to tax in the office, sometimes they never even looked at the cert. The database isn't used for anything and if my insurance expires the day after I tax online then the policy information is out of date with no ability to update the information.

Not so sure sure tbh

From an article on at the time when the online system was set up

While tax offices will not be checking the insurance details logged on-line, the information will be passed over to gardai, it was revealed yesterday.

The information is then forwarded to the Garda Pulse computer network and will link up with separate computer systems containing penalty points and the courts service. It will provide the first ever integrated information link.

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/online-system-will-tax-cars-without-proof-of-insurance-26015949.html

ohnonotgmail

gozunda wrote: »

Not so sure sure tbh

From an article on at the time when the online system was set up





http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/online-system-will-tax-cars-without-proof-of-insurance-26015949.html

and how has that worked out?

gozunda

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and how has that worked out?

What worked out?

ohnonotgmail

gozunda wrote: »

What worked out?

this wonderful information link you mentioned.

the dark phantom

What about the people who crawl on our roads and insist on taking off on green lights 5 seconds after the lights go green.

Del2005

gozunda wrote: »

Not so sure sure tbh

From an article on at the time when the online system was set up





http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/online-system-will-tax-cars-without-proof-of-insurance-26015949.html

The plan was good but like most technology in this country it was never implemented. They tried using the database for ANPR but since you can change policy after taxing with no way to update the database it failed. It'd be easier just to do the UK way and have the companies feed policy data to ANPR system.

gozunda

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

this wonderful information link you mentioned.

Information link? Can you be a bit more specific?

ohnonotgmail

gozunda wrote: »

Information link? Can you be a bit more specific?

a bit worrying when you have to quote a users own post back to them but anyway

The information is then forwarded to the Garda Pulse computer network and will link up with separate computer systems containing penalty points and the courts service. It will provide the first ever integrated information link.

gozunda

Del2005 wrote: »

The plan was good but like most technology in this country it was never implemented. They tried using the database for ANPR but since you can change policy after taxing with no way to update the database it failed. It'd be easier just to do the UK way and have the companies feed policy data to ANPR system.

Like this?

https://mobile.twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/528171368421269504

gozunda

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

a bit worrying when you have to quote a users own post back to them but anyway

I'm sorry but I've no idea what question you are asking or who part of the Quoted link text I posted you are referring to.

It helps if you can be a bit more specific.

ohnonotgmail

gozunda wrote: »

Like this?

https://mobile.twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/528171368421269504

the ANPR did not detect that it had no insurance. they dont have that information. they only discover that after they pull it over for no tax.

ohnonotgmail

gozunda wrote: »

I'm sorry but I've no idea what question you are asking or who part of the Quoted link text I posted you are referring to.

It helps if you can be a bit more specific.

i'm not sure how i can be more specific than quoting the piece i referred to so i'll leave it there. good avoidance tactics though.

gozunda

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the ANPR did not detect that it had no insurance. they dont have that information. they only discover that after they pull it over for no tax.

This is the twitter text

Traffic ... got ANPR hit on this car - no insurance,tax or NCT since early '13.Car seized, court to follow

I have no idea of the inner workings of the ANPR system. I would suggest you contact the Garda Traffic branch on whether they do or don't.

gozunda

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i'm not sure how i can be more specific than quoting the piece i referred to so i'll leave it there. good avoidance tactics though.

Try asking a question that refers to something specific. Thanks.

ohnonotgmail

gozunda wrote: »

This is the twitter text

i'm aware what the twitter text said.

gozunda wrote: »

I have no idea of the inner workings of the ANPR system. I would suggest you contact the Garda Traffic branch on whether they do or don't.

the part in bold is very clear.
i'm aware of the information they have. and it does not include insurance information.

ohnonotgmail

gozunda wrote: »

Try asking a question that refers to something specific. Thanks.

:rolleyes:

ohnonotgmail

for the avoidance of doubt

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda-forced-to-pull-technology-that-detects-uninsured-drivers-1.2198863

gozunda

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i'm aware what the twitter text said.



the part in bold is very clear.
i'm aware of the information they have. and it does not include insurance information.

I can only go on what was referred to in relation to the ANPR

GARDA Traffic ... got ANPR hit on this car - no insurance,tax or NCT since early '13.Car seized, court to follow

Maybe discuss it with Traffic branch?

ohnonotgmail

gozunda wrote: »

I can only go on what was referred to in relation to the ANPR



Maybe discuss it with Traffic branch?

nothing to discuss with them. you inferred it was the anpr that told them it wasnt insured. you inferred incorrectly.

gozunda

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

nothing to discuss with them. you inferred it was the anpr that told them it wasnt insured. you inferred incorrectly.

I inferred nothing. I quoted what was stated in the tweet re ANPR.

Insurance is listed as having been detected in relation to APNR.

You are 'inferring' it wasn't. I would check with Traffic Branch to verify if they do or don't. I can't answer that for you tbh.

ohnonotgmail

gozunda wrote: »

I inferred nothing. I quoted what was stated in the tweet re ANPR.

Insurance is listed as having been detected in relation to APNR.

You are 'inferring' it wasn't. I would check with Traffic Branch to verify if they do or don't. I can't answer that for you tbh.

:rolleyes: