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N5 - Westport to Turlough [open to traffic]

  • 06-08-2014 3:24pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 57 ✭✭johnnyruane40


    Does anyone know when the work will begin on this road?
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,536 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Shortly before the general election. Well, probably.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    Will they do up the Newport road? At least get rid of the first 2 miles from Westport?

    Also anyone else think they should have a bypass going the other way around the town out the Louisburgh road instead of the Newport road?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭annfield1978


    theres talk of a PPP being formed and tying this scheme up with the Longford to Ballaghadeereen Scheme which is in planning phase

    http://www.roscommoncoco.ie/en/Services/Roads/National_Road_Improvement_Works/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    Heres a great website for road updates in Mayo

    http://www.regdesign.com/?page_id=493

    I see they have plans to upgrade the Newport Rd to Carragaun

    http://www.regdesign.com/?page_id=1064


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭YouTookMyName


    Isn't there a ring road planned for westport as part of this?

    Castlebar was only bypassed/ring roaded 20 years ago. Mental it has to be done again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Bypassed hardly. Castlebar and Galway relief roads at best


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,490 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Part of me is wondering why, what I presume is the quietest and least strategic part of the N5 is going to be a dual carriageway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Victor wrote: »
    Part of me is wondering why, what I presume is the quietest and least strategic part of the N5 is going to be a dual carriageway.

    Strokestown to Ballaghadreen fairly useless in comparison. Not much commuting going on those sections. A good bit of traffic going to/from the afforementioned places.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    The Westport to Castlebar road is the busiest in Mayo. Its has almost double the traffic of the N5 at Swinford.

    Also it includes the bypass of Castlebar which would be quite busy. Alot of people live in Castlebar but work in Westport. Westport didn't get to build many homes in the boom.
    Its also a deadly road at the moment.


    Its on page 33 of this report.

    http://www.nra.ie/policy-publications/project-appraisal-guideli/Unit-20.2-Example-Traffic-Modelling-Report.pdf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,536 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Bypassed hardly. Castlebar and Galway relief roads at best

    Two of the 1980s half-arsed bypasses, in many cases built back in to a centre to avoid building a new bridge. Carrick on Shannon, New Ross, Limerick and Letterkenny all come to mind as suffering the same problem.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Leonard Hofstadter


    What kind of Dual Carriageway are they looking at building here? Type 2 or HQDC? If it's the latter then they might as well make it a motorway, but I doubt West Mayo carries enough traffic to justify such a road, even if it is the busiest road in the county.


  • Registered Users Posts: 57 ✭✭johnnyruane40


    What kind of Dual Carriageway are they looking at building here? Type 2 or HQDC? If it's the latter then they might as well make it a motorway, but I doubt West Mayo carries enough traffic to justify such a road, even if it is the busiest road in the county.

    It's going to be a Type 2


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭godskitchen


    What kind of Dual Carriageway are they looking at building here? Type 2 or HQDC? If it's the latter then they might as well make it a motorway, but I doubt West Mayo carries enough traffic to justify such a road, even if it is the busiest road in the county.

    Type 2


  • Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭Castlebar12


    Isn't there a ring road planned for westport as part of this?

    Castlebar was only bypassed/ring roaded 20 years ago. Mental it has to be done again.

    No ringroad planned for westport


  • Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭Castlebar12


    afatbollix wrote: »
    The Westport to Castlebar road is the busiest in Mayo. Its has almost double the traffic of the N5 at Swinford.

    Also it includes the bypass of Castlebar which would be quite busy. Alot of people live in Castlebar but work in Westport. Westport didn't get to build many homes in the boom.
    Its also a deadly road at the moment.


    Its on page 33 of this report.

    http://www.nra.ie/policy-publications/project-appraisal-guideli/Unit-20.2-Example-Traffic-Modelling-Report.pdf

    Also many live in westport and work in castlebar.
    The road has been shortened and doesnt go out fully to turlough now.
    Westport is pretty much going to be bypassed now to


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    Any idea what way they will go around to the Louisburg road? Around the back of Knockranny? Or do it further out?


    Does Westport have an expanshion plan? Like where they want to build more houses? No point in building a bypass if it will be too close to the town in 20 years.


  • Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭Castlebar12


    afatbollix wrote: »
    Any idea what way they will go around to the Louisburg road? Around the back of Knockranny? Or do it further out?


    Does Westport have an expanshion plan? Like where they want to build more houses? No point in building a bypass if it will be too close to the town in 20 years.

    It is quite close to the town but the south side is open. Not like Westport is going to expand a lot anyways. Mayo CoCo report shows huge over supply in westport current and predicted, highest in mayo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,907 ✭✭✭✭Kristopherus


    Cannot for the life of me see the need for a dual carriageway. Straighten out and widen the existing road would be sufficient.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Cannot for the life of me see the need for a dual carriageway. Straighten out and widen the existing road would be sufficient.
    Agreed - this one is a bit mental. Most of that road already consists of widened and bypassed sections. No need for a new offline build.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭Neworder79


    spacetweek wrote: »
    Most of that road already consists of widened and bypassed sections. No need for a new offline build.

    The widest Bohola to Castlebar N5 section has already been cut from the project.

    But Castlebar - Westport is narrow winding road with relativly high traffic counts, many fatal accident spots and upgrade plans going back 30 years. Westport also needs the included relief roads and has never been bypassed.

    At best you could argue the Castlebar section isn't necessary, but the early 90s ring road has mostly been absorbed into the town and regularly congested.


  • Registered Users Posts: 543 ✭✭✭yew_tree


    You Plan for the future in cases like this. Westport to Casletebar does need a Dual Carriagway Type 2 is not as wide as say the Motorway from Athlone to Dublin. I think the divider is metal fencing:

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/N4_Dromad-Roosky.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    I thought it has to be a concrete barrier now?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    afatbollix wrote: »
    I thought it has to be a concrete barrier now?
    Dunno if that's all the time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,561 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    spacetweek wrote: »
    Dunno if that's all the time.

    As far as I know, cheese wire style centre dividers are not being used anymore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,536 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Armco is still allowed on type 2 I believe. What did the Tralee scheme get?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    As far as I know, cheese wire style centre dividers are not being used anymore.

    Just as well, there lethal things when collided with.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    When do we think work is likely to start on this ? In the Road Start Dates thread, it's listed as 2016.


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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    It'll be a while before you see work starting on this :(
    Got a response from RegDesign:
    To be honest there is not any progress. The preferred route was adopted and it was decided to concentrate resources on the delivery of the improvement to the N26 at Cloongullane Bridge. You can see a separate project page for Cloongullane.
    In relation to the rest of the project work on this has been suspended. I will arrange to have the project page updated to confirm this.

    Regards


  • Registered Users Posts: 262 ✭✭guylikeme


    spacetweek wrote: »
    It'll be a while before you see work starting on this :(
    Got a response from RegDesign:

    A good call. That bridge is lethal.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    guylikeme wrote: »
    A good call. That bridge is lethal.

    This project was supposed to be funded from the Capital Investment Plan. Funding for that bridge should be provided seperately


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    marno21 wrote: »
    This project was supposed to be funded from the Capital Investment Plan. Funding for that bridge should be provided seperately
    Don't think funding is the issue. Just organisational resources?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭Westernyelp


    Is there any update on the N5 project? or was it the usual ball of smoke


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Is there any update on the N5 project? or was it the usual ball of smoke

    Starting in 2018 apparently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭unit 1


    Fencing has started.
    Probably commenced before EK finishes, an important, and probably the biggest scheme ever to be done in mayo.

    But then we all know that EK never did anything for mayo:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭Westernyelp


    spacetweek wrote: »
    Starting in 2018 apparently.
    unit 1 wrote: »
    Fencing has started.
    Probably commenced before EK finishes, an important, and probably the biggest scheme ever to be done in mayo.

    But then we all know that EK never did anything for mayo:rolleyes:

    Thanks. which one is it though? I don't Think Enda will be Taoiseach in 2018. where has the fencing started?


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Thanks. which one is it though? I don't Think Enda will be Taoiseach in 2018. where has the fencing started?
    Fencing is classified as preliminary work, done by Mayo County Council.

    Actual construction by the consortium won't start until 2018, the project hasn't even been tendered yet.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    http://www.mayonews.ie/news/28727-mulroy-lashes-back-at-ring-over-n5-sleepwalking-jibe

    Ring is some joker. Does he not remember who built the bypasses of Charlestown and Longford he drives on everytime he returns from the Dail? At least the previous adminstration upgraded most of the roads in the country, as opposed to this government who seem to only want to advance the N5.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭annfield1978


    Tender was out for Consultancy Services on this last week

    https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/rfqview.asp?PID=105699


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    A year rolls by..

    Fencing and hedge clearing works are continuing on this, tender documents will be issued in 2018.

    Q1 2021 start at present, may be accelerated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,472 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    marno21 wrote: »
    A year rolls by..

    Fencing and hedge clearing works are continuing on this, tender documents will be issued in 2018.

    Q1 2021 start at present, may be accelerated.

    Is the planned N5 still single carriageway? Should do 2+2 while at it despite the lower volumes of the N5.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    road_high wrote: »
    Is the planned N5 still single carriageway? Should do 2+2 while at it despite the lower volumes of the N5.
    N5 Ballaghaderreen-Scramoge is planned as Type 1 SC. This project is planned as 2+2 with grade seperated junctions


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 279 ✭✭discodaveirl


    marno21 wrote: »
    A year rolls by..

    Fencing and hedge clearing works are continuing on this, tender documents will be issued in 2018.

    Q1 2021 start at present, may be accelerated.

    Nearly sure all fencing and clearing has been completed since early 2017.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Tender was out for Consultancy Services on this last week

    https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/rfqview.asp?PID=105699

    Any word on this since annfield1978? No award up on the etenders website


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭annfield1978


    marno21 wrote: »
    Any word on this since annfield1978? No award up on the etenders website

    AECOM ROD were appointed to do the specimen design and all stages including construction and handover

    No sign of PQQ for Contractors yet but could come out Q3/ Q4 this year


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,847 ✭✭✭roadmaster




  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Looks like this may be accelerated to 2020 or so. Great stuff


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 279 ✭✭discodaveirl


    marno21 wrote: »
    Looks like this may be accelerated to 2020 or so. Great stuff

    Michael Ring said today he hopes to have machines on site this time next year..


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