Anthony Joshua v Charles Martin

Haye is cringey as ****, almost as obvious as he is.

vetinari wrote: »

Charles Martin has been boxing professionally for 7 years with a record of 22 wins and 1 draw.
He was also the IBF title holder.
To describe him as not top 20 in the division is just being ridiculous.

Tbh, we won't know how good Anthony Joshua is until he faces someone that can handle his power.
For all we know, Fury could be knocked out just as easily.

Is it ?, Previous to tonight he had only fought one top 100 Heavyweight, and he won that fight because the other man suffered knee ligament damage. So what makes you think he was a definite top 20 fighter ?

They were also the exception rather then the rule, the nearly in his sentence would allow for them also and though Wlad has been in tremendous shape for a long time, neither man looked as impressive a specimen tbh. Vitali isn't even a boxer so not sure his relevance and certainly never had as impressive a physique.

I'm ok with you not agreeing, such is life. There is no way either Wlad or Vitali was as impressive a specimen in terms of physique as AJ is. Wlad would be closer then Vitali.

Not sure why your bringing steroids in to it with me, I didn't mention steroids, nor do I think he is on them, he looks pretty natural to me.

Edit:

He was 17st 6lbs at the weigh in which I am sure you know is bigger then 106kg (just in case, its over 111kg)

Now I think of it, pretty sure he is listed as being 6'6 not 6'4, maybe wiki has his height right and elsewhere has it wrong, but wiki is certainly wrong on his weight, and he was a little lighter tonight then he was for his last fight even though he came to the weigh in at 111.7kgs

Wiki is the only place a quick google threw him up as 6'4, everywhere else, boxrec, ajboxing, celebheight etc have him as 6'6

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

Haye wouldn't be a tougher test it would be the same as when he fought Klitschko he would be terrified of AJ power and would never get in close enough to let go.

Haye is a natural counter puncher and has been since he was an amateur.
He also has a tendency to fight off the back foot and be even more tentative when he's facing higher quality opposition, especially if they possess a lot of power.
With that said it was Wlad's feet which negated Haye's opportunities to counter, and helped make the fight tremendously boring.

Joshua's footwork is okay and he has got pretty quick feet, but nowhere near the level Wlad was at back then. Haye would get opportunities to counter, and he'd likely have enough power to get the job done if he could land. The main issue is if Joshua gets him out of there before he even gets a chance to throw anything back. Haye's not as agile as he once was, and his chin has never been the best.....

The man is a beast, comparing him to other sportsmen in different sports is ridiculous. Also the fact that he is on record as saying that mostly he only does bodyweight training for his upper body just shows you he's genetically blessed.

Anyway, it was clinical from AJ tonight.

Best thing for me is his refreshing humble attitude for a boxer. Seems intelligent and has his head screwed on which is why I reckon he's destined for the very top. A pleasure to listen to him talk after the fight, especially after having to endure Shannon Briggs mouthing off like a moron yesterday.

Rafael Inexpensive Sonar wrote: »

Sorry the steroid reference wasn't aimed at you, someone else said it. If he is 6'6 then his weight isnt huge and no where near the range that he should be accused of using something by anyone.

It actually says alot about the heavyweight division that there is no one close to him physically. Obviously he is in incredible shape but the fact there is no one close to him bar the brothers shows you american football has really hit boxing hard.

If you are good athlete looking for a career as a HW American football is the path you choose before boxing. Hence the division being so so poor.

I know I'm not a mod here, but it probably would be best to start a new thread if people want to further the discussion on PED's in boxing. With that said I'm gonna make a quick comment on the bit in bold. A person's height and weight is a poor indicator of whether they take or have taken anabolic steroids or synthetic testosterone. Many professional cyclists have tested positive for steroids or synthetic forms of testosterone and as you may be aware those chaps can be pretty fecking skinny.
In boxing Lamont Peterson fights at 140 lbs, and probably walks around at about 160 lbs (he stays in shape between fights) when not in camp. He tested positive for synthetic testosterone when fighting Amir Khan, with a T/E level of 3.7/1. The average males T/E level is 1/1. Peterson is 5'8.
He's always looked in shape, but he's also always looked pretty skinny despite his artificial testosterone supplementation.

Kid Galahad also didn't looked like the Anabolic steroids type, but he failed a drugs test for Stanozolol use.....so there ya go. Of course I'm not accusing any fighter who hasn't tested positive of PED of being on anything, but your criteria is flawed to say the least.

Now, the other thing I take issue with is the American Football excuse we hear so much of. There was plenty of money in American football when Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield and Riddick Bowe were around.....yet they still came to prominence !
Also that's 1 sport, played in 1 nation, which leaves a lot of other countries to account for if judging the division to be poor.