Tyres not roadworthy bigger cause of accidents than prev thought

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly · 04-04-2016 12:10pm #1

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/defective-tyres-largest-vehicle-factor-in-fatal-road-deaths-1.2597652

Tyres are a significantly larger factor in fatal collisions than previously identified far outstripping other vehicle defects, according to an analysis carried out by the Road Safety Authority.
In all there were 983 fatal collisions recorded between 2008 and2012 which claimed the lives of 1,077 people – equivalent to wiping out the entire populations of Castlepollard Co Westmeath ( 1, 042 people), or Ennistymon Co Clare (957), Johnstown, Co Kildare (1,004) or Newcastle Co Wicklow (951), among others listed in the 2011 census.

Atlantic Dawn · 04-04-2016 12:20pm

It finally looks like they are taking actual stats from crashes that can be used to educate people.

Zubeneschamali · 04-04-2016 12:20pm

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/defective-tyres-largest-vehicle-factor-in-fatal-road-deaths-1.2597652

The do not say what percentage of the cars with legal tyres were on triangular ling longs.

Alun · 04-04-2016 12:23pm

Issues with tyres included worn thread, ill-fitting tyres and tyres under or over inflated.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh.

coylemj · 04-04-2016 1:12pm

This will be milked for all it's worth by the tyre 'industry' but it's worth paying attention to the details ....

An analysis of forensic collision investigations conducted by gardaí between 2008 and 2012 has found that tyres were a contributory factor in 8% of 858 fatal crashes.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0404/779346-road-safety-authority-tyres/

So a 'contributory factor' in just 8% (1 in 12) of fatal accidents, presumably along with the usual suspects - speed, inexperience and alcohol.

joujoujou · 04-04-2016 1:12pm

No more "speed kills" BS?

What a surprise. :cool:

Fred Swanson · 04-04-2016 1:15pm

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RichyX · 04-04-2016 4:41pm

What all them fancy testing people need to do is compare a worn out set of premium tyres with a fresh set of Triangles.

Canadel · 04-04-2016 4:58pm

Tyre - only part of a car that comes into direct contact with the road.

*Kol* · 04-04-2016 5:03pm

Canadel wrote: »

Tyre - only part of a car that comes into direct contact with the road.

Not true. I saw a 3 series BMW the other day their exhaust back box was in direct contact with the ground!!

Mervyn Skidmore · 04-04-2016 6:28pm

Canadel wrote: »

Tyre - only part of a car that comes into direct contact with the road.

What about one of those anti static strips?

monkeysnapper · 04-04-2016 6:33pm

Can I just ask a question that will leave me wide open to an express train full of abuse .

I've always just put on 60/70 euros tyres , I've never even thought about it, all my cars have been fairly cheap so I don't qualify for "spending 10/20/30k on a car and skimping on a few hundred .

What price are we looking at for a safe tyre . I'm sorry I've never thought about of that's all

Atlantic Dawn · 04-04-2016 6:38pm

monkeysnapper wrote: »

Can I just ask a question that will leave me wide open to an express train full of abuse .

I've always just put on 60/70 euros tyres , I've never even thought about it, all my cars have been fairly cheap so I don't qualify for "spending 10/20/30k on a car and skimping on a few hundred .

What price are we looking at for a safe tyre . I'm sorry I've never thought about of that's all

Probably an extra €20 a tyre from what your spending now for a premium brand.

ba_barabus · 04-04-2016 6:59pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Probably an extra €20 a tyre from what your spending now for a premium brand.

To be fair given we don't know the tyre size or brand it's a bit hard to know if the guy fitted poor tyres or not.

Op what brand of tyre did you fit?

monkeysnapper · 04-04-2016 7:42pm

Ugghh OK at present I have a c4 grand Picasso and last tyre we got was a 16" land sail ls288 . the tyre before that was called rapid . cost of both would have been around 70/75 .

If these tyres are OK....ish ... What is the price of one of these cheap tyres . .....

duffman3833 · 04-04-2016 8:38pm

seen this on joe.ie, i thought you could get points for bad tyres already. This is a good thing anyway. Tyres are what help stop a car and people who drive on them to the last tread are not only putting themselves at risk but other road users too.

http://www.joe.ie/news/irish-drivers-will-soon-face-penalty-points-unless/537837

Alanstrainor · 04-04-2016 8:50pm

I always thought this was a penalty point offense already too. Saw a taxi today with completely bald slicks, lethal.

Atlantic Dawn · 04-04-2016 8:53pm

It should be 2 or 4 points per tyre as it's not like the tyres will go bald after one drive.

duffman3833 · 04-04-2016 8:55pm

its funny tho, a lot of people wont change their tyres until near the NCT or when the NCT tells them too. There are too many people who dont know how to do basic checks on a car also. Its ridiculous

Del2005 · 04-04-2016 8:57pm

I also thought it was a penalty point offence but just looked at the list and no mention of tyres. They do have several options which could be used but all are mandatory court appearance and 5 penalty points, which while a sufficient punishment is a waste of court time and IIRC in court you only get done for one offence instead of each tyre with penalty points.

Vicxas · 04-04-2016 8:59pm

I thought it was classed under dangerous driving?

Guess not....

NIMAN · 04-04-2016 9:01pm

Considering its the only thing on your car in contact with the road, the lack of money and thought put into tyres is amazing.

Bad tyres could be the difference between life and death.

shietpilot · 04-04-2016 9:01pm

Vicxas wrote: »

I thought it was classed under dangerous driving?

Guess not....

It would be if the Garda deemed it as dangerous. Dangerous driving seems to be used for anything that doesn't have a fine specified.

Damien360 · 04-04-2016 9:02pm

The 1.6mm limit in a country where it rains 80% of the time is silly. Germany has 4mm limit. When you consider tyres come new at 8mm, they chuck them out at half way.

We need to bring the limit up closer to 4 and start telling people not to use summer tyres but all seasons. People will bitch and moan and I am sure some TD will jump on it and complain if it happened but tyres are a safety feature.

SCOOP 64 · 04-04-2016 9:06pm

I have never had a Garda check tyres, as anybody else have ?, road tax/nct and insurance yes at a road stop but even this is very rare now. but i do iive in a rural area.

duffman3833 · 04-04-2016 9:07pm

Damien360 wrote: »

The 1.6mm limit in a country where it rains 80% of the time is silly. Germany has 4mm limit. When you consider tyres come new at 8mm, they chuck them out at half way.

We need to bring the limit up closer to 4 and start telling people not to use summer tyres but all seasons. People will bitch and moan and I am sure some TD will jump on it and complain if it happened but tyres are a safety feature.

If you were to increase it to near 4mm tyres wont last long at all, especially on these rds unlike germany. mabey 2.5mm the most i think would be fair.

Silvera · 04-04-2016 9:11pm

Vicxas wrote: »

I thought it was classed under dangerous driving?

Guess not....

Afaik, a car with badly worn / bald tyres can be classed as a 'dangerous defective vehicle'.

grogi · 04-04-2016 9:12pm

monkeysnapper wrote: »

Ugghh OK at present I have a c4 grand Picasso and last tyre we got was a 16" land sail ls288 . the tyre before that was called rapid . cost of both would have been around 70/75 .

If these tyres are OK....ish ... What is the price of one of these cheap tyres . .....

It is probably 205/60R16 or 215/55R16.

After EireTyres, the cheapest tyres in that size are for around €50. They don't even stock those you have mentioned...

Much better Fulda Eco Control is €78, with premium brands like Dunlop, Bridgestone etc. €90.

Henry Ford III · 04-04-2016 9:18pm

Damien360 wrote: »

The 1.6mm limit in a country where it rains 80% of the time is silly. Germany has 4mm limit. When you consider tyres come new at 8mm, they chuck them out at half way....

Guess where they go next?

VeVeX · 04-04-2016 9:19pm

Damien360 wrote: »

The 1.6mm limit in a country where it rains 80% of the time is silly. Germany has 4mm limit. When you consider tyres come new at 8mm, they chuck them out at half way.

We need to bring the limit up closer to 4 and start telling people not to use summer tyres but all seasons. People will bitch and moan and I am sure some TD will jump on it and complain if it happened but tyres are a safety feature.

Minimum legal thread depth in Germany is 1.6mm.

Peddlers of part worn tyres often say the legal limit in Germany is 4mm to add some logic to their sales pitch whereby the crazy Germans bin perfectly good tyres.

punisher5112 · 04-04-2016 9:23pm

VeVeX wrote: »

Minimum legal thread depth in Germany is 1.6mm.

Peddlers of part worn tyres often say the legal limit in Germany is 4mm to add some logic to their sales pitch whereby the crazy Germans bin perfectly good tyres.

Most tyres are taken and sold to the likes of us as they are punctured and then plugged.

Winter tyres are used over there so summers are taken off and sometimes that's where some come from also as they just buy new then re fit.

screamer · 04-04-2016 9:30pm

Canadel wrote: »

Tyre - only part of a car that comes into direct contact with the road.

No contact with drivers wallets either it seems as most people drive on skids whilst spending lots on valets .......

screamer · 04-04-2016 9:36pm

Worst ive seen is people who come into the shop with 4 tyres they're begged stolen or borrowed wanting the skids with lumps on them taken off and replaced with these. Had one recently car needed to be nctd he got them changed car passed nct. Then he came back and wanted the skids with holes in them and wire sticking out put back on. One of these tyres had been manufactured in 1998! Told him no way not road worthy and no way they'd have passed nct. He took them with him and I'd bet set off to find another tyre shop that would for them for him. Ridiculous attitude to road safety and pure mean.

biko · 04-04-2016 9:40pm

Interesting, it's not on the current list
http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Licensed%20Drivers/Penalty%20Points%20Chart1.pdf

Most/all EU countries have 1.6mm, I'm pretty sure it's EU law and therefore Irish law.

tonyheaney · 04-04-2016 10:17pm

so went for my NCFT and failed on a small electrical thingy which when I looked back over it happened in 2004, one year before I before I bought the car. Also told the front tire thread count is very low.

so far I have had the following:

head gasket goes 6 months into buying the car second hand on done deal my guy fixed it and also fixed the fan belt and timing belt replaced,

A month later new right axle needed replaced,

last year I failed on having no rear brakes and to get fixed and retested for €22 one year since I bought the car

A few months later the fuel pump died got a part from a french supplier, now when I fill up max the car thinks I'm empty and flashes me,

Sunday I failed on a small electrical thingy which when I looked back over old NCT it happened in 2004 also and failed then also

on the way out I bumped into a guy who say "hi tony do you remember me?? I sold you the Car!!!!!!

CURSED?????

SCOOP 64 · 04-04-2016 10:34pm

Wow ,that was out of the blue, but your tyres not to bad ya ?

C4Kid · 04-04-2016 10:37pm

Just see on crimewatch the RSA CEO was talking on the issue of part-worn tires and yeah no surprise at her conclusion.... part-worn tires are deathtraps!

Totally one sided as expected and no mention of part worn vs cheap budget tires...

Fred Swanson · 04-04-2016 10:38pm

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SCOOP 64 · 04-04-2016 10:42pm

Worded as "Deathtraps", so surely should be illegal to sell?

tonyheaney · 04-04-2016 11:03pm

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

Wow ,that was out of the blue, but your tyres not to bad ya ?

I'm told I'd need to change them soon but are ok for a few more miles. what do they normally cost?

Zubeneschamali · 04-04-2016 11:09pm

tonyheaney wrote: »

what do they normally cost?

A few lives, hopefully not children.

power pants · 04-04-2016 11:09pm

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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No mention as it is completely unfounded and nonsense

power pants · 04-04-2016 11:13pm

triangles lol

triangles triangles triangles haha

What is the forum's obsession with budget tyres? Ive read the article and no mention of cheap tyres being an issue. It is not mentioned as it is not an issue.

Please everyone, carry on with your superior than thou knowledge of tyres and type out triangles one more time for the lulz

punisher5112 · 04-04-2016 11:14pm

I am actually shocked its taken this long.

Our roads are terrible from numerous different materials and patches and pot holes and ruts etc.(craters)

Doesn't matter what your driving style or the type of vehicle you should only be able to purchase decent tyres.

If the RSA and government were serious and wanted to actually improve things a start would be to cut tax on the better tyres and cut out the absolute rubbish.

I can honestly say the time I was driving and the car left the road if it had better brand on it the car would still be on the road it was impossible to control.
Weather was a factor but the tyres been what I found out after been the worst cheap crap with a e symbol on them.

They are also saying there are now possible counterfeit cheap brand tyres and manufacturers don't know what's in them, in the U.S anyway.

Zubeneschamali · 04-04-2016 11:17pm

power pants wrote: »

It is not mentioned as it is not an issue.

The article does not mention ISIS either, I am glad they are not an issue.

power pants · 04-04-2016 11:19pm

The article would suggest your driving was at fault if anything. Buying slightly more expensive tyres will not make you a racing car driver.

Its almost laughable. I crashed because the tyres made me do it :pac: :rolleyes:

Eric Cartman · 04-04-2016 11:21pm

joujoujou wrote: »

No more "speed kills" BS?

What a surprise. :cool:

to be fair they've actually been doing alright lately. That ad with the upset woman with the 'don't turn round to your damn kids' message was long overdue, very necessary and the ad is pretty effective.

power pants · 04-04-2016 11:22pm

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

The article does not mention ISIS either, I am glad they are not an issue.

I see. Cant give a reasonable argument so you resort to unfunny nonsense is it?

Of course ISIS are not responsible if you cant drive correctly on irish roads

Zubeneschamali · 04-04-2016 11:34pm

power pants wrote: »

I see. Cant give a reasonable argument so you resort to unfunny nonsense is it?

The article is talking about faults which contribute to fatal accidents. Crap (but legal) tyres are not faults, any more than ISIS are.

They still kill people, same as ISIS.

power pants · 04-04-2016 11:37pm

Exactly they are not faulty and do not cause faults.

Thanks for clearing that up

04-04-2016 11:47pm

Lets say you buy a new tyre and it has 8mm tread on it (im taking 8mm as the figure as it was mentioned earlier in the thread); what mileage should a person reasonably (on average etc) expect from such a tyre?

Tyres not roadworthy bigger cause of accidents than prev thought

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