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Hi vis discussion thread (read post #1)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭RainyDay


    Someone has a bit of a hi-vis fetish here, for the dangerous activity of walking around a town;

    https://twitter.com/fionamacky


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Similar discussion arose some time ago in the Athletics forum. If I'm out running around the city at night, I'm always on footpaths and don't bother with hi-vis. Some people are of the mind that I'm putting myself in danger by doing so, because who knows, what if a car on the road was to try avoid hitting something on the road by swerving onto the footpath and driving over me because I'm not wearing high-vis.

    Do they wear helmets while running on a footpath in hi-viz?
    Because they might be putting themselves in danger of a car not seing them and hitting them and they might bang their head.

    Actually they could get road rash from being knocked down, do they wear leathers and a back protector?
    ya can't be too careful ya know.

    :rolleyes:


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Kiera Pitiful Sunset


    To play devil's advocate maybe the hi vis vests come in handy at a pedestrian crossing for example? The evenings are very dark and heck most motorists barely slow down if they see someone crossing on one during the summer!!

    Yeah I can't see any point in wearing one when walking along but for crossing the road they might be slightly worthwhile.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,371 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    To play devil's advocate maybe the hi vis vests come in handy at a pedestrian crossing for example? The evenings are very dark and heck most motorists barely slow down if they see someone crossing on one during the summer!!

    Yeah I can't see any point in wearing one when walking along but for crossing the road they might be slightly worthwhile.

    In an urban environment they are more than likely well lit or have pedestrian controlled lights. Considering that cars in urban environments should be driving with dims, if you cannot see the person without hi vis, you won't see them with hi vis.

    Not intentional but your post does read as victim blaming, it's not a pedestrians fault that a vehicle is not travelling at a speed suitable for the conditions, it is the drivers fault. It would have been part of their test to slow and prepare to stop coming to any and all junctions.

    The issue is with motor vehicles driving to fast, as you said, they hardly slow/stop at summer time even when your presumption is they are seen easier, do you really think a hi vis will change this if they are not in your view slowing when in your opinion the pedestrian is clearly visible during the summer time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Yeah I can't see any point in wearing one when walking along but for crossing the road they might be slightly worthwhile.

    It's one of those things: the benefit is imaginable, but not measured as far as I know, and perhaps not measurable. If you're careful crossing the road, it's relatively unlikely you'll be hurt. How much less likely are you to be hurt if you're wearing hi-viz? Well, you'll be visible from maybe 100m away (if the car headlights can reach you unimpeded), which a pedestrian without hiviz might not be. However, a car 100m away is not likely to collide with you in the short time it takes to cross the road, unless the person behind the wheel is speeding (50km/h is 14m/s). Certainly unlikely to take you by surprise if you look both ways as you cross (seven seconds before the car reaches where you're crossing).

    The scenario you have in mind, I imagine, is a car that's closer than that; you begin to cross but the driver doesn't see you and drives into you. This isn't that likely if you wait to make sure oncoming drivers have stopped or are slowing significantly before walking into their path.

    The one time I really had a close one was when a cyclist stopped for a red pedestrian light, I stepped out (and so did my pregnant wife) but a car blew straight through the red light and I felt the breeze as it shot past. Very close. A mistake I won't make again; a "vehicle" had stopped, I had the green man and I started to cross.

    This happened in broad daylight and I guess my wife and I were obscured by the cyclist. The pedestrian light wasn't at a junction so the motorist didn't even notice the light (no risk of cross-traffic colliding with him).

    Not sure what lessons to draw from this, except make sure that a motorised vehicle is blocking the road before crossing.

    In this case, I don't think hiviz would have made any difference, as the driver just wasn't paying attention. Even if it had, I'm not wearing hiviz every time I walk out the door, day or night. I'm willing to take small risks (assuming there is some additional risk) for the pleasure of a life not spent draped in chartreuse advertising The Farmer's Journal.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,251 ✭✭✭RobertFoster


    I saw three primary school classes out walking at various points today, one decked out and hi vis and the other two in uniforms/coats. Other than initially thinking the hi vis group were a bunch of short builders, all three were equally visible as humans from a distance, even on a dull day like today. At least not every school has a hi vis fetish.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,126 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    To play devil's advocate maybe the hi vis vests come in handy at a pedestrian crossing for example? The evenings are very dark and heck most motorists barely slow down if they see someone crossing on one during the summer!!
    Easy solution. Just have a spare jacket on each side. Don the jacket, cross and hang it back up on the other side for the next person.

    Or maybe have distinctive markings or even illumination at pedestrian crossings ??


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,126 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Has anyone ever been prosecuted for not having a light when walking ?

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1964/si/294/made/en/print
    Rules for pedestrians

    35.

    (3) During lighting-up hours at least one person from a group of twenty persons or more walking along a road shall carry a lamp showing a white light visible for a reasonable distance in the direction in which the group is walking and a red light visible for a reasonable distance in the opposite direction.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    I don't have 19 friends to test it out, sadly.

    How's it supposed to work anyway, should the 2 lights be stuck on the head of the tallest person of the group?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,523 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    To play devil's advocate maybe the hi vis vests come in handy at a pedestrian crossing for example? The evenings are very dark and heck most motorists barely slow down if they see someone crossing on one during the summer!!
    so the solution to bad driving is to force pedestrians to wear high vis and not deal with the bad driving?
    To be called a criminal for not wearing high viz is just bat shít crazy.
    This, a million times this!!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy


    Easy solution. Just have a spare jacket on each side. Don the jacket, cross and hang it back up on the other side for the next person.

    Or maybe have distinctive markings or even illumination at pedestrian crossings ??

    Or flags, bright orange flags.

    http://www.kirklandwa.gov/depart/Public_Works/Transportation_and_Traffic/Pedestrian_Flags_-_FAQs.htm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    hardCopy wrote: »

    I assume one FAQ they omitted was: are you nuts?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    tomasrojo wrote: »
    I assume one FAQ they omitted was: are you nuts?

    I have another faq:

    "How come drivers are so dumb that THEY NEED A FRIGGIN FLEG to see pedestrians? (Capitals for emphasis)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,032 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Crossing the main road yesterday(as a pedestrian), the lights went red yet some guy in an 08 Golf GTi decided to absolutely floor it as he approached the amber, and broke though the red light at the junction at speed... no amount of hi-vis would have saved your life in that instance...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭check_six


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Crossing the main road yesterday(as a pedestrian), the lights went red yet some guy in an 08 Golf GTi decided to absolutely floor it as he approached the amber, and broke though the red light at the junction at speed... no amount of hi-vis would have saved your life in that instance...

    I don't like to be a Contradictory Colin, but this just wrong wrong wrong if the new RSA sponsored Leaving Cert Applied Maths course is to be believed (which, of course, it is).

    Rebranded as RSAology (pronounced arr-ss-ol-o-ji) this stuffy old subject has been jazzed up to be made more appealing to the modern student.

    Gone are dreary old equations like Force = Mass x Acceleration, and in are exciting new ones like Force = (Mass x Acceleration)/Safetollix.
    Safetollix is a precise measurement of the natural aura of safety a hi-vis jacket emanates. Naturally, a RSA Branded vest will emit infinite safetollix and will therefore render the Force calculation to tend towards zero.

    That speeding car would simply cease movement as it came to rest against your hi-vis bedecked frame. Happily, the Safetollix field coming from your vest will also nullify any pesky conservation of energy concerns. This is primarily achieved by simply eliminating the conservation of energy section from the new RSAology course.

    Newton was wrong! Rejoice!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Crossing the main road yesterday(as a pedestrian), the lights went red yet some guy in an 08 Golf GTi decided to absolutely floor it as he approached the amber, and broke though the red light at the junction at speed... no amount of hi-vis would have saved your life in that instance...

    But if you had a hi-vis fleg, you'd be ok.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,032 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    If I had one of these you mean:

    97861.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭NiallBoo


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    If I had one of these you mean:

    97861.jpg

    I don't know if the outcome would be any safer, but it would certainly be more interesting!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,032 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Every pedestrian should have a stinger, failing that, just put traffic cameras triggered by red light breakers and a nice €80 fine plus 2 points on the licence...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,440 ✭✭✭cdaly_


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Every pedestrian should have a stinger, failing that, just put traffic cameras triggered by red light breakers and a nice €80 fine plus 2 points on the licence...
    Or 4 points if the lights are in a pedestrian phase when you run the red.


    Actually, if we could have a pedestrian phase at every change of the traffic lights, that would be nice...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    check_six wrote: »
    I don't like to be a Contradictory Colin, but this just wrong wrong wrong if the new RSA sponsored Leaving Cert Applied Maths course is to be believed (which, of course, it is).

    Substantial changes are due to Biology and Optics. The only wavelengths of the electromagnetic spectrum perceptible to the human eye during daytime are in the yellowy-green part of the spectrum, known as the Zone of Infinite Safety. At night time, reflective stripes blaze brighter than the most powerful lights on the market, even without incident light.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭check_six


    tomasrojo wrote: »
    Substantial changes are due to Biology and Optics. The only wavelengths of the electromagnetic spectrum perceptible to the human eye during daytime are in the yellowy-green part of the spectrum, known as the Zone of Infinite Safety. At night time, reflective stripes blaze brighter than the most powerful lights on the market, even without incident light.

    Absolutely correct. Here's a dayglo star for your copybook.

    You must have aced your Mocks the other week!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,121 ✭✭✭buffalo


    On the way into the office this morning, I was waiting at a pedestrian crossing alongside a couple. A Garda car with hi-viz stripe, no sirens, arrived from the right and traffic from the left paused to allow it to cut across for a right turn.

    The couple promptly walked out in front of the car which was following the Garda car, which had to slam on the brakes. My conclusion is that obviously the hi-viz stripe allowed them to see the Garda car, but because the following car didn't have any hi-viz, it was therefore invisible.

    Solution: paint all cars hi-viz!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    buffalo wrote: »
    My conclusion is that obviously the hi-viz stripe allowed them to see the Garda car, but because the following car didn't have any hi-viz, it was therefore invisible.
    Rods and cones only work within the Zone of Infinite Safety.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭NiallBoo


    buffalo wrote: »
    Solution: paint all cars hi-viz!

    perfect

    but then nobody will see anyone because everything is hi-vis and nothing stands out, so we'll all have to have mad flashing lights all of the time.

    but then everybody will have mad flashing lights and nobody will be able to see what's what - so we'll need to install lasers.

    but then everyone will be blind from the lasers so we'll all need to have blaring sirens constantly on

    but then nobody will be able to hear anything over the din so we'll all have to wear hi-vis ear-plugs...

    ^^FYI, that's a summary of RSA policy for the next 20 years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Was in the Phoenix Park today when a big group cycled by me, on the footpath, on bikes from the hire place.

    They were all wearing bibs, but not exactly high vis but rather those orange types. Where do we stand on these, are they just gang colours?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Guided bike tours around Dublin use blue bibs. Maybe when they meet somewhere they have a stand off?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,371 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Which side are the jets?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    CramCycle wrote: »
    Which side are the jets?

    Officer Krupke could make them all wear tte same colour. That would stop that gang malarky.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,251 ✭✭✭RobertFoster




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    What happens when all the flags are on the one side?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,836 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    traprunner wrote: »
    What happens when all the flags are on the one side?

    Then you select the most disposable in the group, and impress on them the importance of the mission. Sure, you'd do it yourself in a heartbeat, if it wasn't that little Jimmy needed you to make the special delivery to his Mom/auntie/dog.

    In TV land, this would be the guy in the red, or possibly the token black guy. More than likely this guy hasn't really done anything to this point and to be honest everyone else in the group is kinda wondering where he came from and what he was doing there anyway.

    You'll tell him not to worry, you'll all be there to help him out, and the way it usually goes is that he'll make it across to get the flag, pick a few up and start making his way back across before letting the imminent hero status go to his head so he either turns back to get one last flag or focuses on the girl he always loved from afar but was always sure she would never go for a no-luck farm hand like him, but there she is, screaming his name. She not only knows who he is, she knows his name, she's screaming his name.

    Trumpets start playing a fanfare to welcome back their hero and bright tv lights turn on as the waiting camera crew get ready to interview the new hero. Why are the camera crew on the road? And why are they coming towards you so fast? And don't those trumpets sound a lot like a truck horn?

    They are all screaming your name now, all pointing at you. And pointing at the camera crew, which is really getting close now. They seem to be waving, almost frantically but you're sure it's just the excitement.

    Still the trumpets, really loud now, and what's this new noise. A bit like guitar feedback, really loud guitar feedback. The camera lights seem to be flashing on and off now, everyone has stopped screaming your name and is now either pointing at the lights or covering their faces.

    Wait a minute, that's not guitar feedback, it sounds more like, more like...screeching tyres! Sh1t its a truc......

    With your last movement you throw the flags over to the remaining gang. After a very brief moment of sadness they collect the flags and cross the road safely, each of them tipping their hat to the fallen colleague, Black Guy Number 1!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Sort of a round-up. Maybe nothing new to this thread, except for this extraordinary claim:
    Flourescent clothing has long been the safety-conscious commuters’ choice, and it has enjoyed a recent surge in popularity with fashion-conscious road cyclists, too.
    http://www.cyclist.co.uk/in-depth/1016/does-fluoro-kit-make-you-safer


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Is step 3 compulsory? Do you use the flag or your hand?

    It's quite abject, isn't it? "Thanks for not killing me! I know you could!"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,251 ✭✭✭RobertFoster


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Was in the Phoenix Park today when a big group cycled by me, on the footpath, on bikes from the hire place.

    They were all wearing bibs, but not exactly high vis but rather those orange types. Where do we stand on these, are they just gang colours?
    I noticed a couple of dozen of these in a big group today in the park. The majority were on the path with a few riding contraflow on Wellington Rd. beside the path. That section is bad enough with the poor surface and cars parked half on the path, half on the grass, narrowing the road and blocking sight lines.

    I wonder if the vests are mandatory when renting a bike?
    tomasrojo wrote: »
    It's quite abject, isn't it? "Thanks for not killing me! I know you could!"
    It does come across as subservient. Maybe Canadian laws don't automatically give pedestrians right of way at crossings.

    I suppose it could be seen as being polite, like thanking someone for not blocking a yellow box when they shouldn't be in it in the first place. Unless the Internet has lied to me, you don't need to tell Canadians to be polite.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    I suppose it could be seen as being polite, like thanking someone for not blocking a yellow box when they shouldn't be in it in the first place. Unless the Internet has lied to me, you don't need to tell Canadians to be polite.

    Certainly nothing wrong with being polite. I often thank people with a small wave for letting me cross at some crossings. The authorities have no business codifying voluntary acts on a sign though. Maybe it's meant to be light-hearted, and they didn't feel they could put an emoticon on a street sign.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,479 ✭✭✭rollingscone


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Was in the Phoenix Park today when a big group cycled by me, on the footpath, on bikes from the hire place.

    They were all wearing bibs, but not exactly high vis but rather those orange types. Where do we stand on these, are they just gang colours?

    We stand on you clearly being a dirty agent of #Bigcycling out to undermine the proven metaphysical safety of HiVis in an effort to further your sinister deviant agenda.

    QED


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Here's a paper that actually does claim to find a benefit for "reflective clothing", by which I assume they mean fluorescent clothing with reflective stripes. I'm not paying $40+ dollars to find out for sure.
    This analysis uses a generalized ordered logit model and a generalized additive model to estimate the effects of built environment factors on cyclist injury severity in automobile-involved bicycle crashes, as well as to accommodate possible spatial dependence among crash locations. The sample is drawn from the Seattle Department of Transportation bicycle collision profiles.
    lower likelihood of injuries is observed for bicyclists wearing reflective clothing
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0001457515301184

    (I assume hi-viz wearers are under-represented in collision reports relative to their frequency in the general cycling population. If that's the case, given how seldom people in the USA wear hi-viz, I suspect such people that do are very cautious types.)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    We stand on you clearly being a dirty agent of #Bigcycling out to undermine the proven metaphysical safety of HiVis in an effort to further your sinister deviant agenda.

    QED

    Well I do have a Trek hidden away in the attic. Just wait until I launch my campaign to rehabilitate Lance. My Ridley was just a method of gaining Euronerds trust.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner



    lower likelihood of injuries is observed for bicyclists wearing reflective clothing

    Sounds a bit like "you are wearing reflective clothing so I won't mow you down just as hard".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,371 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Pinch Flat wrote: »

    I quite like Blacks range but 8.5% can't be conducive to safe cycling


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    CramCycle wrote: »
    I quite like Blacks range but 8.5% can't be conducive to safe cycling

    I only had a bottle last week, the name never clicked with me until now. Very nice it is too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭RainyDay


    Just came across theese products today - hi-vis with glow-in-the-dark phosphorescence

    http://www.dualreflectives.com/shop/acatalog/dual_reflective_tech.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    My Chariot child trailer has phosphorescent fabric at various locations. I don't really think it adds that much. Gave me a small surprise the first time I walked into an unlit room with the trailer in it though. But it's really not all that strong an effect, except in total darkness. Nothing as strong as a decent light anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭check_six


    tomasrojo wrote: »
    Nothing as strong as a decent light anyway.

    That's not what a variety of halfassed campaigns would have me believe!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    check_six wrote: »
    That's not what a variety of halfassed campaigns would have me believe!

    Well, phosphorescence is a new front in the war to shame people wearing normal clothes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭Doctor Bob


    Pinch Flat wrote: »

    Looks tasty. I always keep an eye out for new crafty beers. Surprised I haven't seen that one before. :pac:


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