Hi vis discussion thread (read post #1)

HivemindXX

check_six wrote: »

I'm curious to see what will be the next step in removing responsibility from motorists. After all cyclists of all ages and levels of experience are required to have a full body hi-vis tattoo and a fog horn attached to them, I suppose the next step will be to blame humans outside of cars for being too damn squishy.

A lot of cyclists are too damn thin to see, even if covered in hi-viz.

Solution:

monument

buffalo wrote: »

They replied.

https://www.change.org/p/volvo-european-commission-volvo-should-retrofit-all-their-cars-and-trucks-with-their-life-paint?just_created=true

Iwannahurl

tomasrojo wrote: »

As bikesnobnyc puts it, just lease a Hyundai.

(He's on fire lately. His take on Life Paint: "Hopefully this backfires on Volvo and the streets of London get covered with glow-in-the-dark penises.")

Like bikesnobnyc I was also struck by the same comment in the Life Spray promotional video:

bikesnobnyc wrote:

Wow. So it's not enough to be visible anymore. Now we've got to "scream out" and glow from head to toe or else we're fair game.

I assume when she says "drivers like me" she means "oblivious idiots."

Amazing how drivers keep outsourcing any and all responsibility.

The alternative uses for Life Spray could be endless.

The interweb is full of serving suggestions:

http://www.ottawa-psychologist.net/love-and-revenge/

dashcamdanny

Smart people..


http://www.volvolifepaint.com/

Inquitus

dashcamdanny wrote: »

Smart people..


http://www.volvolifepaint.com/

Looks awful

dashcamdanny

I would not be spraying it all over my nice road bike.

But for the kids bike or my commuter hack, its perfect.

68 lost souls

There was a mention of this in the off topic thread. I was going to open a thread about it myself the other day. I like it to be honest but worried about the hordes of drivers complaining about people not wearing it now. Very limited availability at the moment.

Borderfox

It just smacks of passing the buck, let's put the onus on cyclists instead of addressing the problem

dashcamdanny

Borderfox wrote: »

It just smacks of passing the buck, let's put the onus on cyclists instead of addressing the problem

My Onus is not haveing some jerk in a subaru, spread my innards all over the road.

Anything that distracts him from talking on his phone or rolling a fag when driving is a big plus...

CardinalJ

Borderfox wrote: »

It just smacks of passing the buck, let's put the onus on cyclists instead of addressing the problem

I agree to an extent, but I'd rather be realistic than potentially knocked down but in the right.

Borderfox

dashcamdanny wrote: »

My Onus is not haveing some jerk in a subaru, spread my innards all over the road.

Anything that distracts him from talking on his phone or rolling a fag when driving is a big plus...

That's why I have lights on my bike and fluoro cycling gear, in my 20's while out training I was knocked down by a guy who went through a red light and didn't see me in flouro gear and lights during the day. No paint would have changed that but my pushing for him to be charged despite the Gardai objections saved someone else.

Educating people in cars is the key

tomasrojo

It's been discussed a bit on the hi-viz thread. I read something about the spray-on version today that suggested that the paint needs re-application every week or so, and washes off in the rain anyway. The rights and wrongs of it as hi-viz are explored a bit in that other thread.

tomasrojo

Here's an unfortunate quote about Life Paint:

Nikki Rooke, Head of Corporate Communications, Events and Sponsorship for Volvo Car UK Limited, said: "It’s about making the invisible, visible."

http://road.cc/content/news/147529-volvo-life-paint-comes-under-fire-while-freebies-fly-shelves

Invisible. I see. No, wait, without Life Paint I can't.

tomasrojo

Followed by that great favourite of those trying to circumvent cost-benefit analysis:

"If Life Paint saves the life of just one cyclist it will have proved beneficial."

Beasty

dashcamdanny wrote: »

Smart people..


http://www.volvolifepaint.com/

Merged into hi-viz thread

tomasrojo

This sort of belongs on both the Helmet and the Hi Viz megathreads, so I'll post twice, if that's ok.

In a victory for bicycle advocates, a state senator has dropped a proposal that would have made California the first state in the country to require every adult who rides a bicycle to wear a helmet.

The amended bill also removes a requirement that would have required bicyclists to wear “retroreflective high-visibility safety apparel” at night.

http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2015/04/10/state-senator-drops-mandatory-helmet-proposal-for-bicyclists

Iwannahurl

Litter pickers on roads in Kerry and Cork are regularly in danger from speeding motorists, "despite wearing high visibility jackets."

Are hi-vis vests somehow less effective in Kerry and Cork? I wonder what is the casual mechanism for that?

CramCycle

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Litter pickers on roads in Kerry and Cork are regularly in danger from speeding motorists, "despite wearing high visibility jackets."

Are hi-vis vests somehow less effective in Kerry and Cork? I wonder what is the casual mechanism for that?

Because they are closer to the equator in Cork the light is reflected up and not horizontally. If Kerry GAA are to be believed, it is something to do with being closer to God in their eyes, despite evidence to the contrary.

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

Iwannahurl

Or Cork motorists versus Kerry hi-vis wearers?

And vicky verky of course...

RainyDay

Vote Yes for mandatory hi-vis for everyone;

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153804226989688.1073741854.164027949687&type=1

Pinch Flat

RainyDay wrote: »

Vote Yes for mandatory hi-vis for everyone;

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153804226989688.1073741854.164027949687&type=1

Some with no helmets on :eek: and on the footpath :eek::eek:

Iwannahurl

RainyDay wrote: »

Vote Yes for mandatory hi-vis for everyone;

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153804226989688.1073741854.164027949687&type=1

Weddings and all...

dashcamdanny

Iwannahurl

Gardaí from Pearse St were at the Stephens Green Luas stop yesterday "handing out safety info and jackets".

Pinch Flat

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Gardaí from Pearse St were at the Stephens Green Luas stop yesterday "handing out safety info and jackets".

There's a new mandatory cycle lane just up from that - it's frequented by cars and motorbikes and I've seen a few near misses over the past weeks. It continues around the green opposite a school where it's jammed with cars sometimes 3 deep depending on whether the school is starting or finishing. They'd be better implementing their safety initiative there Imo

check_six

Spotted a load of people on Stephen's Green gearing up for a Bloomsday bike spin. I'm guessing they were Bloomsday people as they were all wearing straw boater type hats.

I'm not sure that the hi-vis jackets that were all over them is strictly Joycean canon though.

CramCycle

check_six wrote: »

Spotted a load of people on Stephen's Green gearing up for a Bloomsday bike spin. I'm guessing they were Bloomsday people as they were all wearing straw boater type hats.

I'm not sure that the hi-vis jackets that were all over them is strictly Joycean canon though.

If you don't notice a large group of cyclists in town wearing straw hats, then your not going to notice a large group of cyclists wearing Hi Vis.

Kav0777

CramCycle wrote: »

If you don't notice a large group of cyclists in town wearing straw hats, then your not going to notice a large group of cyclists wearing Hi Vis.

"Did you see all those cyclists with the hi-vis vests at lunch earlier?"

"No, what ones?"

"ah ye did, sure weren't they wearin' straw hats?"

"Oh them, .... the eejits"

tigerboon

I remember when hi viz was being made mandatory on construction sites...made sense, big machines working close to other workers. Since then everyone begging for money, handing out leaflets, selling papers etc is wearing a hi viz vest. Went for a spin the other evening and passed 2 people mowing lawns with hi viz
They now have absolutely no impact because they're everywhere. Then VMS signs were required to notify people of roadworks. Now they are used to advertise furniture sales, plant hire, garden centres etc.

Iwannahurl

From the Emergency Services forum:

rocky911 wrote: »

The RSU High Vis as sucj as armed gardai at checkpoints are meant to red bibs so I say the powers that issued these for checkpoints as the last thing they probably want is a claim from some fella who may have got knocked down who may argue the point that they weren't issued the appropriate PPE..

at the end of the day tis all about arse covering.