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Glasnevin Cemetery Monument.

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    #62
    uck51js9zml2yt
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    davycc wrote: »
    fingers crossed some brave soul takes a chisel to it soon....

    I take it you're not "brave" then.
    Much easier to rant from the sidelines isn't it!!


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    #63
    Jawgap
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    Vera Tasteless Quid wrote: »
    Irishmen died on Northumberland road as they marched in with their troops into the city centre.

    Indeed, but the Micks were/are the Irish Guards. I assumed the poster in question was referring to them given he capitalised the word which would suggest it wasn't being used as an epithet ;)


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    #64
    Maysa07
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    It's an absolute disgrace. Those British soldiers who bayoneted 13 civilians and they put there names on a wall? hopefully it will be taking down.


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    #65
    uck51js9zml2yt
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    Jawgap wrote: »
    Indeed, but the Micks were/are the Irish Guards. I assumed the poster in question was referring to them given he capitalised the word which would suggest it wasn't being used as an epithet ;)

    My grandfather was in France as well. He died from the effects of mustard gas poisoning.
    It wasn't a pleasant death from all accounts.


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    #66
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    Maysa07 wrote: »
    It's an absolute disgrace. Those British soldiers who bayoneted 13 civilians and they put there names on a wall? hopefully it will be taking down.

    Did those soldiers die in the course of the fighting? If not, their names won't be there.


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    #67
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    I've a few relations who fought in the War of Independence, a granduncle who was shot by the Black and Tans, a grandaunt who was imprisoned during the Civil War and went on hunger strike, was the last elected SF rep in
    Limerick City before the recent GE, a couple more who fought in flying columns in West Cork.

    I have no problem with it, on the basis that those entitled to make the decision did so. Although I think I would have preferred had it not included the names of British soldiers. But I don't find their inclusion outrageous.


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    #68
    davycc
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    Vera Tasteless Quid wrote: »
    I take it you're not "brave" then.
    Much easier to rant from the sidelines isn't it!!

    yep im just a big chicken you read me like a book :rolleyes:

    , as a realist i cant see it lasting too long and if it goes the same way as nelsons pillar i wont be shocked :D


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    #69
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I've a few relations who fought in the War of Independence, a granduncle who was shot by the Black and Tans, a grandaunt who was imprisoned during the Civil War and went on hunger strike, was the last elected SF rep in
    Limerick City before the recent GE, a couple more who fought in flying columns in West Cork.

    I have no problem with it, on the basis that those entitled to make the decision did so. Although I think I would have preferred had it not included the names of British soldiers. But I don't find their inclusion outrageous.
    I can accept it, for the sake of getting over the past. But it does open up some more questions for the future, will we see members of The Tans and Auxies included on the memorial to the War of Independence?


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    #70
    Maysa07
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    Vera Tasteless Quid wrote: »
    Did those soldiers die in the course of the fighting? If not, their names won't be there.

    Same Regiment.


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    #71
    donvito99
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    I can accept it, for the sake of getting over the past. But it does open up some more questions for the future, will we see members of The Tans and Auxies included on the memorial to the War of Independence?

    What's wrong with knowing who they were though like?

    The Irish Ambassador to the UK has laid a wreath at the Cenotaph the last two years, in remembrance of the 50,000 Irish who died for the crown. In the same ceremony, those who fought in Ireland and died were remembered.

    What's the issue here, apart from the great grand godson of Connolly or whomever kicking up a fuss about someone they never met and saying it's a disgrace.

    And lol at the you don't see the nazis memorialised in London brigade on twitter :D


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    #72
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    davycc wrote: »
    yep im just a big chicken you read me like a book rolleyes.png

    , as a realist i cant see it lasting too long and if it goes the same way as nelsons pillar i wont be shocked biggrin.png


    So I was right, easier to rant from the sidelines than put your money were you mouth is. I'm glad you weren't born in time for 1916/21.
    Maysa07 wrote: »
    Same Regiment.

    What does it matter...I asked if they died. If not their names wont be there.

    There is n condoning the atrocities perpetrated by either side.
    Should we not mention those that massacred people in the War of Independence. Lets face it, Michael Collins was murdered by cowards.


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    #73
    Dyr
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    Vera Tasteless Quid wrote: »
    Independence. Lets face it, Michael Collins was murdered by cowards.

    Ah now we're getting into it, never takes long eh? :D


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    #74
    davycc
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    Vera Tasteless Quid wrote: »
    So I was right, easier to rant from the sidelines than put your money were you mouth is. I'm glad you weren't born in time for 1916/21.



    What does it matter...I asked if they died. If not their names wont be there.

    There is n condoning the atrocities perpetrated by either side.
    Should we not mention those that massacred people in the War of Independence. Lets face it, Michael Collins was murdered by cowards.

    im already on the record in the history forum stating id choose to fight in the 1916 battle of ashbourne ;)
    i can give you a link if you doubt me
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057577344

    you know as much about me as you do history , Collins was not killed during the WOI , school boy error :rolleyes:


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    #75
    uck51js9zml2yt
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    davycc wrote: »
    im already on the record in the history forum stating id choose to fight in the 1916 battle of ashbourne ;)
    i can give you a link if you doubt me
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057577344

    :rolleyes:

    Very easy to say it 100 years on and then rant about a memorial.:D


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    #76
    davycc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,013 ✭✭✭davycc


    Vera Tasteless Quid wrote: »
    Very easy to say it 100 years on and then rant about a memorial.:D

    well your mind reading skill are as sh1te as your history knowledge:D

    nice of you to ignore the rest of my post about your hero Collins boo boo;)


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    #77
    well spoken man
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    It used to be fun in here....


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    #78
    Strazdas
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I've a few relations who fought in the War of Independence, a granduncle who was shot by the Black and Tans, a grandaunt who was imprisoned during the Civil War and went on hunger strike, was the last elected SF rep in
    Limerick City before the recent GE, a couple more who fought in flying columns in West Cork.

    I have no problem with it, on the basis that those entitled to make the decision did so. Although I think I would have preferred had it not included the names of British soldiers. But I don't find their inclusion outrageous.

    Wouldn't having the names of the civilians and rebels on the wall but not the British soldiers and police be rather strange? That would suggest the civilians and rebels were united in a common cause and against a common enemy, when we know that was not the case. Many people who lost relatives at the time would have absolutely furious with the rebels for starting the Rising, not cheering them on.


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    #79
    Strazdas
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    Bambi wrote: »
    a) Michael Portillo. Thats enough
    b) Watch some of the interviews of the sherwood foresters where they allude to the treatment they meted out to suspected rebels under martial law. They were professional soldiers not schoolboys crying down their sights. Nothing in league of scumbaggery that the staffordshires were up to, who are also commemorated on this wall I suppose.

    The act of commemoration for events like this takes sides and it should take sides. What the easter commemoration was always about was to pay homage to the men and women who founded this republic. That is the act we commemorate

    Official Ireland and Fine Gael in particular have tried to shift the purpose because it has never sat well with their own agenda. Apparently now what we commemorate is that there was a battle and some people died and its all a bit tragic.

    Like I said, I await a similar wall being erected out in Island Bridge. Might not have enough slate in the country for that one though

    A lot of the Sherwood Foresters barely even knew how to fire a rifle, there were a large number of raw recruits in their ranks.

    You say that the Easter ceremonies were always about paying homage to the rebels but that was because the civilian deaths in the Rising were largely edited out or airbrushed from history up until recently. From what I can gather, there was little mention in 1966 of there being so many civilian fatalities and even if it was, it was glossed over as an irrelevant statistic.


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    #80
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    davycc wrote: »
    well your mind reading skill are as sh1te as your history knowledge:D

    nice of you to ignore the rest of my post about your hero Collins boo boo;)

    Which part did I get wrong? He was killed on August 22, 1922.by the original IRA in 1922 during the civil war.

    When did I say he was my hero?:rolleyes:


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    #81
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    davycc wrote: »
    yep im just a big chicken you read me like a book :rolleyes:

    , as a realist i cant see it lasting too long and if it goes the same way as nelsons pillar i wont be shocked :D

    Your joy and delight at the thought of some scrote vandalising this memorial to the dead is pretty sickening.


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    #82
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Your joy and delight at the thought of some scrote vandalising this memorial to the dead is pretty sickening.


    dont let him worry you..keyboard warriors are 10 a penny :D


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    #83
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Vera Tasteless Quid wrote: »
    dont let him worry you..keyboard warriors are 10 a penny :D

    Boys like him have never been more than a minor inconvenience to me.


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    #84
    LordSutch
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    kneemos wrote: »
    A monument naming all of those killed in The Rising, including British soldiers has been erected in Galsnevin. Apparently some of our comrades have deemed it inappropriate and decided to have a wee protest.
    Seems fitting to me especially given some British soldiers are buried there.
    What are the thoughts on the monument?

    British soldiers (some of those casualties being Irish), Irish policemen, and Irish civilians, Irish children too, not forgetting the good old Rebels themselves :cool:

    If they have to erect a monument to the rising, then the least they should do is to include all the victims.


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    #85
    Iwasfrozen
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    I think this memorial is a great idea to commemorate all those who died in 1916.

    I ignore republican bigots who think one person's life is more valuable from the next. If we listened to those knuckledraggers we'd only perpetuate violence.


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    #86
    davycc
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Your joy and delight at the thought of some scrote vandalising this memorial to the dead is pretty sickening.

    far from glee but if the murdering staffordshiress memorials went the way of nelsons pillar i wont complain :p


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    #87
    AtomicHorror
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    Just wondering- what qualifies a person as a member of the 1916 families? It seems like a small group have self-appointed to speak for what is probably a pretty large number of people.


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    #88
    AtomicHorror
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    davycc wrote: »
    far from glee but if the murdering staffordshiress memorials went the way of nelsons pillar i wont complain :p

    You keep saying you wouldn't complain, and you keep following that comment with happy little emotes.

    Cut the crap, would you? You'd be pleased, and I think that's pretty shameful.


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    #89
    davycc
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    I think this memorial is a great idea to commemorate all those who died in 1916.

    I ignore republican bigots who think one person's life is more valuable from the next. If we listened to those knuckledraggers we'd only perpetuate violence.

    pretty ironic from the bigot king who thinks some peoples lives in the midde east are worth less than those in the EU ;)


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    #90
    kneemos
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    well spoken man wrote: »
    It used to be fun in here....


    Never far from pointless arguments.


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    #91
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    davycc wrote: »
    far from glee but if the murdering staffordshiress memorials went the way of nelsons pillar i wont complain :p

    Well i guess that's your choice, Nice to see that the majority of people on here have a higher moral standard though. Go on back to listening to your Rebel songs now son and wringing your hands at the atrocities of a hundred years ago :rolleyes:


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