El Classico - Leinster v Munster 02/04/2016 - 1730 (TG4, SS3)

ThisRegard · 02-04-2016 8:27pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I think it's unlikely, I found myself incredibly annoying by the start of the 2nd half!

Kept the thread incredibly pleasant though, probably the most civil inter pro thread ever. Or else everyone were avoiding it because of ye.

jacothelad · 02-04-2016 8:29pm

Munster

swiwi_ wrote: »

My main memory from this game will be the weird use of the subs benches. Why was Holland (who was kicking well) taken off for Keatley (a complete lottery at the tee, not to mention the dropped pass,
.It was a shocking pass, behind him at shoulder level. he did well to even get his hand on it.

the penalty for holding on, So when other Munster players do it it's fine but when Keatley does it he should never wear the shirt again. What should he have done? Let go of the ball to a Leinster player?

the grubber kick to nothing)? Sexton subbed with about 3 minutes left. And how far has the Cian Healy star fallen?

A draw would have been a fair result. It would. Blame Kilcoyne, not Keatley for the loss of a point.

In saying that Munster had one-off the ruck white-line fever, the bane of Irish rugby, ignoring overlaps at the end. Dunno who got MOTM but it was Murray for me.

Akrasia wrote: »

Probably that the ref would enforce the laws and penalise the defender for not being 10 yards back....

The defenders just needed to be 5 metres back on the goal line and they were. Munster should have taken the scrum, tying in 9 Munster players and giving them a one man advantage in the outside backs.

neelia11 · 02-04-2016 8:30pm

Munster

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Frankie Sheahan with a surprising opinion:

https://twitter.com/FrankieSheahan/status/716359181721288704

did IBF hack Frankie's twitter account?

chippers · 02-04-2016 8:35pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Frankie Sheahan with a surprising opinion:

https://twitter.com/FrankieSheahan/status/716359181721288704

Agree with Frankie. Nothing wrong with Healys tackle

Clearlier · 02-04-2016 9:00pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I think it's unlikely, I found myself incredibly annoying by the start of the 2nd half!

It probably would get a little samey but I just read through the whole thread just to catch your commentary. Had me laughing out loud a good few times and I wasn't even able to watch the match.

CMOTDibbler · 02-04-2016 9:02pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I think it's unlikely, I found myself incredibly annoying by the start of the 2nd half!

That must have been an interesting conversation

Clegg · 02-04-2016 9:13pm

Munster

Leinster have a very good defence and that's about it right now. Munster are just awful at everything and for as good as Leinster are at defending Munster made it easy for them.

This is two Irish derbies in as many days where a team with a man advantage were batteting away at the opposition line but couldn't score because their players lacked the nous to exploit their numerical advantage. Dire stuff.

Saili is rubbish btw. How much is he on. Heaslip, Sexton and Murray a class above the rest today.

neelia11 · 02-04-2016 9:15pm

Munster

Clegg wrote: »

Leinster have a very good defence and that's about it right now. Munster are just awful at everything and for as good as Leinster are at defending Munster made it easy for them.

This is two Irish derbies in as many days where a team with a man advantage were batteting away at the opposition line but couldn't score because their players lacked the nous to exploit their numerical advantage. Dire stuff.

Saili is rubbish btw. How much is he on. Heaslip, Sexton and Murray a class above the rest today.

Ruddock and McGrath were very good for leinster.

Stheno · 02-04-2016 9:25pm

neelia11 wrote: »

Ruddock and McGrath were very good for leinster.

Thought Heaslip had a good day as well, seemed to get through a lot of work.

The Rape of Lucretia · 02-04-2016 9:28pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Not much atmosphere. I know they sell more tickets at the Aviva but I'd say you'd get a better atmosphere at the RDS.

D'atmosh was good actually.
Bigger crowd than I expected, and despite the poor rugby, the tightness of the score meant there was a good level of excitement. Judos for what ever the jazz band were, and a rattle of the Imperial March was a nice touch.

Clegg · 02-04-2016 9:31pm

Munster

neelia11 wrote: »

Ruddock and McGrath were very good for leinster.

I'll need to watch the game with the benefit of better camera angles. Was sat in the south stand with a view of only one end of the pitch. I'm sure other players played well, but the three I mentioned were the ones who stood out near our end.

Although I'm not sure I want to put myself through watchng that rubbish again.

Stheno · 02-04-2016 9:33pm

Clegg wrote: »

I'll need to watch the game with the benefit of better camera angles. Was sat in the south stand with a view of only one end of the pitch. I'm sure other players played well, but the three I mentioned were the ones who stood out near our end.

Although I'm not sure I want to put myself through watchng that rubbish again.

DUH missed your post about Heaslip, sorry.

sheep? · 02-04-2016 9:34pm

Munster

I thought Ringrose did okay as well in defense. Missed on on Archer that I remember, but had a few nice saves out wide as well.

Memory could be foggy though, because of beer.

neelia11 · 02-04-2016 9:39pm

Munster

Clegg wrote: »

I'll need to watch the game with the benefit of better camera angles. Was sat in the south stand with a view of only one end of the pitch. I'm sure other players played well, but the three I mentioned were the ones who stood out near our end.

Although I'm not sure I want to put myself through watchng that rubbish again.

Heaslip and sexton were good too, not disagreeing with you there. If Leinster can get the lineout to function and create space outside the 13 channel for Ringrose they will be in a far better place. The lineout, in particular the throwing which seemed to be the issue kept munster in the game in the first half.

Stheno · 02-04-2016 9:41pm

neelia11 wrote: »

Heaslip and sexton were good too, not disagreeing with you there. If Leinster can get the lineout to function and create space outside the 13 channel for Ringrose they will be in a far better place. The lineout, in particular the throwing which seemed to be the issue kept munster in the game in the first half.

Ringrose had a few flashes today where you could see the potential.

The lineout was horrible at times.

Clegg · 02-04-2016 9:42pm

Munster

I mentioned Saili already, but for a player capped by the All Blacks and who talks about the importance of the basics, he doesn't really excel at anything in what I've seen of him. Very average.

That's better than Kirchner though. 30 caps for the Boks and he's a bit cack.

irishbucsfan · 02-04-2016 9:46pm

sheep? wrote: »

I thought Ringrose did okay as well in defense. Missed on on Archer that I remember, but had a few nice saves out wide as well.

Memory could be foggy though, because of beer.

He drove ROM into touch at one stage.

He's looking good. I think he could really shine over the next couple of weeks if we keep a bit of consistency with our selections. I'm hoping we'll see our first XV pretty consistently until the end of the season now, no reason not to.

The Rape of Lucretia · 02-04-2016 9:49pm

touts wrote: »

Munster passed up the chance of a kick at the posts from inside the 22 to level the game. I'd like to think that was a vote of confidence in the ability of the team to convert the line out. I fear it was a vote of no confidence in Keatley.

I thought it was because they felt they were still playing to try to make the playoffs and so gambled on the win, and not just to stay in the top 6 where the kick for 2 points would have been useful. Fortune doesnt always favour the brave.

The Rape of Lucretia · 02-04-2016 9:51pm

chippers wrote: »

Healys tackle looked fine to me. arms out the whole time. difficult to get a wrap on at that speed

Absolutely. The yellow was a disgrace. Perfectly legal effort. Fortunately didnt cost Leinster.

CMOTDibbler · 02-04-2016 10:07pm

Clegg wrote: »

I mentioned Saili already, but for a player capped by the All Blacks and who talks about the importance of the basics, he doesn't really excel at anything in what I've seen of him. Very average.

That's better than Kirchner though. 30 caps for the Boks and he's a bit cack.

Kirchener has been good. He made two clean breaks today and ran 77 metres. He was also good when he came on against Connacht. Wasn't brilliant in defense but not a lot came his way either.

Heaslip made 19 tackles and missed none. Nobody else came close to that number although JvdF made 9 in 30 minutes and also missed none.

kuang1 · 02-04-2016 10:11pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Absolutely. The yellow was a disgrace. Perfectly legal effort. Fortunately didnt cost Leinster.

No wrong there...he actually stopped wrapping mid tackle.

irishbucsfan · 02-04-2016 10:16pm

kuang1 wrote: »

No wrong there...he actually stopped wrapping mid tackle.

Even if he had wrapped, which he didn't, it was an illegal tackle

irishbucsfan · 02-04-2016 10:18pm

Also for all the talk about Keatley or decision-making losing Munster the game, lets remember that Slappy Zebo should have been sinbinned and Leinster should have had that penalty. That could have been a difference-maker.

Bazzo · 02-04-2016 10:18pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Even if he had wrapped, which he didn't, it was an illegal tackle

I presumed the people talking about it being fine were taking the piss? Surely nobody thinks that was actually legal? It was a completely ludicrous "tackle".

Stheno · 02-04-2016 10:20pm

Bazzo wrote: »

I presumed the people talking about it being fine were taking the piss? Surely nobody thinks that was actually legal? It was a completely ludicrous "tackle".

Yeah even myself and my OH were looking at it going uh-oh

neelia11 · 02-04-2016 10:26pm

Munster

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Also for all the talk about Keatley or decision-making losing Munster the game, lets remember that Slappy Zebo should have been sinbinned and Leinster should have had that penalty. That could have been a difference-maker.

Saili was lucky too. Ref tells him to get out of way so he stands up and kicks the ball.

CMOTDibbler · 02-04-2016 10:28pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Also for all the talk about Keatley or decision-making losing Munster the game, lets remember that Slappy Zebo should have been sinbinned and Leinster should have had that penalty. That could have been a difference-maker.

You might have started something there

irishbucsfan · 02-04-2016 10:30pm

Bazzo wrote: »

I presumed the people talking about it being fine were taking the piss? Surely nobody thinks that was actually legal? It was a completely ludicrous "tackle".

Maybe some messers on here but I think Frankie Sheahan is serious!

.ak · 02-04-2016 10:33pm

That game was gash. I think we played slightly better so a 3 point win sounds right.

The atmosphere was rubbish and the band and tannoy were the most cringe I've ever heard in a stadium.

irishbucsfan · 02-04-2016 10:35pm

.ak wrote: »

That game was gash. I think we played slightly better so a 3 point win sounds right.

The atmosphere was rubbish and the band and tannoy were the most cringe I've ever heard in a stadium.

You missed out on London Irish in Twickenham in 2009/10!

kuang1 · 02-04-2016 10:47pm

former total wrote: »

Leinster to win, LBP for Munster, Champions Cup for all.

Former total to do every build up thread to every professional rugby game henceforth.

(And the rest of us to immediately log in to our online betting accounts and make our investments)

Tip my hat etc.

Billysays no · 02-04-2016 10:47pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Maybe some messers on here but I think Frankie Sheahan is serious!

Between Shane horganblooms and Frankie Sheehan sky have signed up two of the best. While the bbc2 ni analysis is biased at least its analysis. Shane's 'itchy bum' time with pat lam was class. Frankie is such a laugh as well. The two of them talked and talked until maybe it was the 78th minute of the Leinster Connacht game discussing their mothers dresses. And then, oh crap, Leinster might lose this game. Jesus, Leinster lost the game. Oh crap, must make an effort to see what is going on next time

neelia11 · 02-04-2016 10:49pm

Munster

Billysays no wrote: »

Between Shane horganblooms and Frankie Sheehan sky have signed up two of the best. While the bbc2 ni analysis is biased at least its analysis. Shane's 'itchy bum' time with pat lam was class. Frankie is such a laugh as well. The two of them talked and talked until maybe it was the 78th minute of the Leinster Connacht game discussing their mothers dresses. And then, oh crap, Leinster might lose this game. Jesus, Leinster lost the game. Oh crap, must make an effort to what sisee going on next time

Can you get me a copy of the Billysaysno-english dictionary please

Stheno · 02-04-2016 10:50pm

Billysays no wrote: »

Between Shane horganblooms and Frankie Sheehan sky have signed up two of the best. While the bbc2 ni analysis is biased at least its analysis. Shane's 'itchy bum' time with pat lam was class. Frankie is such a laugh as well. The two of them talked and talked until maybe it was the 78th minute of the Leinster Connacht game discussing their mothers dresses. And then, oh crap, Leinster might lose this game. Jesus, Leinster lost the game. Oh crap, must make an effort to see what is going on next time

Leinster Connaught wasn't on BBCNI?

thomond2006 · 02-04-2016 10:50pm

The penalty Saili gave away for three points has to be one of the dumbest this season. He's on the Leinster side of the ruck and the ball was slow.

.ak · 02-04-2016 10:54pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

The penalty Saili gave away for three points has to be one of the dumbest this season. He's on the Leinster side of the ruck and the ball was slow.

Lucky not to get a card there.

neelia11 · 02-04-2016 10:55pm

Munster

Rte website saying foley replaced Holland cos they didnt want to burn the candles at both ends with him. Like wtf? Munster have a week off now

Billysays no · 02-04-2016 10:59pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

The penalty Saili gave away for three points has to be one of the dumbest this season. He's on the Leinster side of the ruck and the ball was slow.

It wasn't dumb. He was clearly told to leave it alone. It was like he didn't care. I really, really don't like saili as a player. With Munster where they stand in the table that was a shocking decision. He simply didn't give a ****e.

Clegg · 02-04-2016 11:03pm

Munster

Scannell and Ringrose both showed up well. Future may not be too bad for Munster and Leinster at centre.

thomond2006 · 02-04-2016 11:04pm

.ak wrote: »

Lucky not to get a card there.

The ball was very slow though so he wasn't really preventing a big attacking opportunity. Funnily enough that's what annoyed me most about it. Why even do it when the ball is slow?

kuang1 · 02-04-2016 11:06pm

Billysays no wrote: »

It wasn't dumb. He was clearly told to leave it alone. It was like he didn't care. I really, really don't like saili as a player. With Munster where they stand in the table that was a shocking decision. He simply didn't give a ****e.

You might be exaggerating a little, but as a munster fan, I will say that he's been a let down in general.

But I'm not sure if what we're seeing with him is partially frustration being involved in a team that's being coached in a way that limits the backs playing to their full potential.

Or maybe I should say in a league that limits their potential?

kuang1 · 02-04-2016 11:13pm

neelia11 wrote: »

Rte website saying foley replaced Holland cos they didnt want to burn the candles at both ends with him. Like wtf? Munster have a week off now

Yeah...yet another awful coaching call involving Keatley being put on or taken off...seems like Foley can't get it right all season.

Yet again find myself cringing for Keatley on a personal level.

jm08 · 02-04-2016 11:52pm

neelia11 wrote: »

Rte website saying foley replaced Holland cos they didnt want to burn the candles at both ends with him. Like wtf? Munster have a week off now

I'd forgottan that. It was Holland's 2nd start of the season. He played the full 80 last weekend. With the break next week, that would mean that Keatley would not have had any gametime for 3 weeks.

03-04-2016 12:08am

Similar situation to last week with the scrum on the 5m line but roles reversed. I never had much doubt that Leinster would hold out at the end and their ability to hold out is probably why they will go on and win the league. They are a team built on a strong defence who thrive in those kind of situations and I found it staggering that Munster didn't take the draw especially when Kilcoyne tapped and went with 30 seconds left. These things happen in the heat of the moment but after throwing what they could at Leinster the extra point was important with such crunch fixtures ahead.

Overall a reasonably entertaining game, quality was average but an important 4 points for Leinster who should top the table now.

swiwi_ · 03-04-2016 5:45am

jacothelad wrote: »

The defenders just needed to be 5 metres back on the goal line and they were. Munster should have taken the scrum, tying in 9 Munster players and giving them a one man advantage in the outside backs.

If you're trying to sell me Keatley jaco, you'll fail every time. Occasionally, he has a very good game. This year when I've watched him he has mostly been incredibly flaky.

He missed a relatively easy penalty to give Munster the lead.

But leaving Keatley aside, I saw no reason to pull Holland, which is my main point, and a poor piece of coaching.

WarZ · 03-04-2016 6:43am

I have just received a snapchat from my mate of him smashing two Cork girls chanting 'ISA'

The game was good too.

pickarooney · 03-04-2016 6:50am

WarZ wrote: »

I have just received a snapchat from my mate of him smashing two Cork girls chanting 'ISA'

The game was good too.

Smashing as in cleaning them out with a huge tackle?

chippers · 03-04-2016 7:34am

thomond2006 wrote: »

The penalty Saili gave away for three points has to be one of the dumbest this season. He's on the Leinster side of the ruck and the ball was slow.

Did he not come through the middle of the ruck and was entitled to kick it? He should have listened to the ref though

CMOTDibbler · 03-04-2016 7:38am

pickarooney wrote: »

Smashing as in cleaning them out with a huge tackle?

Two smashing Cork girls maybe?

neelia11 · 03-04-2016 7:43am

Munster

chippers wrote: »

Did he not come through the middle of the ruck and was entitled to kick it? He should have listened to the ref though

no, and he was told by the ref to get away from the ball so he kicked the ball away from him. He should have got a yc.

El Classico - Leinster v Munster 02/04/2016 - 1730 (TG4, SS3)

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