El Classico - Leinster v Munster 02/04/2016 - 1730 (TG4, SS3)

former total

Leinster: Zane Kirchner, Isa Nacewa (cpt), Garry Ringrose, Ben Te'o, Dave Kearney, Johnny Sexton, Eoin Reddan, Jack McGrath, Sean Cronin, Tadhg Furlong, Devin Toner, Hayden Triggs, Rhys Ruddock, Jordi Murphy, Jamie Heaslip.
Replacements: Richardt Strauss, Cian Healy, Mike Ross, Ross Molony, Josh van der Flier, Luke McGrath, Ian Madigan, Fergus McFadden.

Munster: Simon Zebo; Andrew Conway, Francis Saili, Rory Scannell, Keith Earls; Johnny Holland, Conor Murray; James Cronin, Niall Scannell, Stephen Archer; Donnacha Ryan, Billy Holland; Dave O’Callaghan, Tommy O’Donnell, CJ Stander – capt.

Replacements: Mike Sherry, Dave Kilcoyne, John Ryan, Robin Copeland, Jack O’Donoghue, Tomás O’Leary, Ian Keatley, Darren Sweetnam.

The Leinster thread has gone down in very grumpy flames so let's get the preview thread going. I miss the old days of nasty Leinster-Munster sniping so here's Felipe to mix it up a bit:



Right, so 40,000 tickets sold, hopefully the actual attendance matches that figure and we get an atmosphere to savour.

Last season saw Munster's first league double over Leinster since 2008-9, but Leinster have bounced back again this year and were deserved 24-7 winners at Thomond in December, a game most memorable perhaps for launching the unstoppable juggernaut that is the Garry Ringrose hype express.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJL91_6NfHs

So will we see a repeat of that tomorrow? Well, the bookies think Leinster are fairly warm favourites, a 7-point handicap being set. So let's examine why?


Form: Neither side is tearing it up; Leinster followed up an error-strewn win over Ospreys with away defeats to Glasgow and Connacht, while Munster have disposed of Zebre and Dragons but contrived to give Cardiff a winning bonus point. However, Leinster will have found more to be happy about in their recent performances.


Personnel: After Ian Madigan's poor showing in the gales of Galway, Leinster fans will breathe a sigh of relief to see Jonny Sexton back in blue for the first time since January. Add Jack McGrath, Toner, Heaslip and Reddan to the mix and this is a much stronger starting XV.

Anthony Foley has finally lost patience with Ian Keatley and Johnny Holland gets, unbelievably, only his third ever professional start in by far the biggest game he's ever played. We can expect Conor Murray to take as much responsibility as he can, but it's still a risk. Elsewhere, injuries to Dave Foley and Mark Chisholm mean no dedicated lock cover on the bench, but Darren Sweetnam gets rewarded for his recent form and will hope to make his entrance on the big stage tomorrow.


Coaching
Hmmm. Well, Cullen has definitely improved things in the Leinster camp, while Foley has looked pretty clueless at times in his second season. But this sort of backs-to-the-wall scenario might be just what Foley needs to motivate his team. On paper, Leinster edge this one, but who knows?


KEY AREAS:


The scrum is one area that Leinster will fancy this. Jack McGrath has established himself as the undisputed #1 loosehead in Ireland and he'll be looking at Stephen Archer with glee, given Archer's lack of gametime. But Tadhg Furlong struggled with the step up to international level in the Six Nations so maybe not as clear cut.

Leinster are going to lose some of their edge at the breakdown with the inclusion of Jordi Murphy ahead of Josh van der Flier (along with the benching of Strauss), and they'll hope that Murphy's greater carrying ability will cancel it out. The backrow is probably Munster's strongest unit so they'll hope to make gains here.

Dave Kearney vs Simon Zebo; that's the battle we'll all really be focussing on...

Depending on how tonight's games go, this could give Leinster the chance to take top spot in the league with only three games to go, and Munster could be desperately clinging on to a play off spot.

Overall, I can't see past a home win here. Maybe that's my blue-tinged optimism, but I was a lot more nervous last week (and rightly so) than I am this week.

Leinster to win, LBP for Munster, Champions Cup for all.

Ian Davies is the ref; he's decent enough.

And just to make sure you're still paying attention;



:pac:

irishbucsfan

Sexton is better than ROG

CMOTDibbler

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Sexton is better than ROG

Because ROG coached Sexton? :P

Bazzo

I think this'll be a tighter match than the bookies are calling it. Leinster to shade it.

No table in the OP former total? No joke option in the poll? For shame. :pac:

CMOTDibbler

Bazzo wrote: »

I think this'll be a tighter match than the bookies are calling it. Leinster to shade it.

No table in the OP former total? No joke option in the poll? For shame. :pac:

Yep. Especially galling since there was a full tutorial on tables in the Leinster thread. The sheer waste! :eek:

Dave_The_Sheep

Bazzo wrote: »

No joke option in the poll? For shame. :pac:

Oh, there's a joke option alright.

Just to continue the old fashioned sniping, of course.

thomond2006

The Munster back three is more above international standard than the Leinster back three.

Also, I encourage emmet02 to post his Munster/Leinster thread odds like he did a few years back.

leakyboots

Thank God someone set this thread up, that Leinster thread was like slicing eyeballs.

Anyway, scrum is my main worry for us, if we hold our own in that I'm more optimistic, I think James Cronin could even McGrath's advantage out as you said.

DK is more like to come up against Conway than Zebo I'd have thought, either way I think we have the edge in the back 3 and 4-8. Halfbacks and centres are a much of muchness I'd have thought, maybe slight advantage Leinster there to be fair.

Will be watching Ringrose and Scannell closely for this, both with bright futures I hope. That and the backrow clash.

I do think the Thomond game was in the midst of the lowest point form-wise of our season, our defence around then was atrocious, people were calling for Zebo to be dropped shortly after in the Stade game, so I think/hope it'll be a different Munster. But we're like Jekyll and Hyde all season anyway.

Can't wait, best of luck to both teams!

leakyboots

Oh the benches... hmmm, Killer will cause mayhem, JOD will too a bit I'd have thought. John Ryan puts himself about in the loose but big challenge v Mike Ross. We're a bit greener though in that respect I guess. And TOL is likely to fup things up, I'd have Williams there to be honest. I'd hope we'd be ahead and Leinster have to chase the game.

If Leinster are ahead and Healy, McFadden, Strauss, Mike Ross are coming on I'll be worried, they know how to close out a game, serious experience there. JvdF will try and offset guys like Copeland/JOD, who knows what Madigan will bring... not even Madigan knows!

former total

Munster

leakyboots wrote: »

DK is more like to come up against Conway than Zebo I'd have thought

On the pitch, yes.

In the swirling cauldron of death that is boards.ie, no.

sheep?

Munster

If Sexton plays well, I think we'll win, but I'd love to see a good performance from Holland (of the Johnny variety).

Larbre34

Munster

This is all irrelevant lads, the rain will be unmerciful tomorrow, it'll be full of errors and the auld soccer pitch will be ripped up in the set piece, so whomever manages the conditions better, stitches a few phases together, gets a few penos in good positions should win. Leinster by 14-9 or so.

errlloyd

Munster

Bought some tickets today, It's not the greatest game to go to, but I'll get polluted and have a great time, and then watch the game recorded on Sunday.

leakyboots

Larbre34 wrote: »

This is all irrelevant lads, the rain will be unmerciful tomorrow, it'll be full of errors and the auld soccer pitch will be ripped up in the set piece, so whomever manages the conditions better, stitches a few phases together, gets a few penos in good positions should win. Leinster by 14-9 or so.

Yeah, have a feeling that's how it'll play out

thesultan

MightyMandarin wrote:

It's 100% down to our traditonal diet and lack of people playing sport past their 20's and 30's.

How is Darren sweetman getting along

durkadurka

Is it time for me to mention red lemonade?

Pink Fairy

A good game with no injuries please...... And CJ Saviour to steamroller thru the Leinster powderpuff defence for a try or two!

CMOTDibbler

Pink Fairy wrote: »

A good game with no injuries please...... And CJ Saviour to steamroller thru the Leinster powderpuff defence for a try or two!

Stop that! No more references to the ladyboys is permitted. Leinster forwards are real men now.

Fireball07

I'm not overly confident. We were outthought and outfought in Thomond Park earlier this season. I believe we have regressed from last season in almost every way, for whatever reason.

On paper, Leinster do seem to have a bit more about them. You'd fancy them winning the scrum battle; the breakdown might be a bit closer with Leinster not having a real 7.

Our backs have never really got going this season, despite having clear talent. Zebo, Earls, Saili... they are three very good players. In a properly-coached backline, you'd expect them to damage and young Scannell has done very well this season tool.

But really, we've got a very inexperienced number 10, while Leinster have Johnny Sexton. That's the biggest swing and will probably give them the edge at home; as well as a pack with a bit more nous (although I am glad that Billy Holland starts, we always seem tougher & more organised when he's on the field).

The Pheasant2

Munster

Not overly concerned with Jordi at 7 tbh. Granted he's not your archetypical 7 but he's not bad over the ball and he'll make his hits as well as bringing a little bit extra in terms of carrying - don't feel it'll be the winning or losing of the game anyway.

Mahatma Geansai

On paper, both teams are pretty evenly matched. I would give Munster the nod in a battle of the units, however. Leinster are stronger in the frontrow and at half back, while Munster have the stronger secondrow, backrow (slightly), and back 3. The center partnerships are pretty evenly matched.

That said, Munster have been very poor/terrible this season and Leinster are at home. Leinster should edge it by a score.

moby2101

errlloyd wrote: »

Bought some tickets today, It's not the greatest game to go to, but I'll get polluted and have a great time, and then watch the game recorded on Sunday.

Ha had to laugh, ill be in the same boat myself... A looooong day and night ahead! Enjoy!!

LorMal

Mahatma Geansai wrote: »

On paper, both teams are pretty evenly matched. I would give Munster the nod in a battle of the units, however. Leinster are stronger in the frontrow and at half back, while Munster have the stronger secondrow, backrow (slightly), and back 3. The center partnerships are pretty evenly matched.

That said, Munster have been very poor/terrible this season and Leinster are at home. Leinster should edge it by a score.

Anyone else feel that there is no home advantage for Leinster at the Aviva?

vienne86

Munster

LorMal wrote: »

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Anyone else feel that there is no home advantage for Leinster at the Aviva?

Not a lot, though I would expect more supporters for Leinster than Munster.

Morning looks OK so far, but forecast is foul. It'll be a messy affair.

ike

Heading up today but with the Luas out of action I was planning on parking at Pembroke Wanders - how early would I want to be there to guarantee a parking space?


If the rain dosent stop I can see this as being a messy affair. But Leinster have some strong options on the bench to call on if things are tight. It could some down to the kicking so hopefully Johnny bringa his A Game

phog

Free on street parking on Saturdays around Herbert Park and Clyde Road areas.

Pink Fairy

http://m.independent.ie/sport/rugby/guinness-pro12/alan-quinlan-the-guy-who-sends-an-elbow-at-your-head-can-still-be-a-friend-34592244.html

Pashun!!

Synode

Munster

Very wet in Dublin at the minute. Due to dry a bit but rain again at 5pm

CrowdedHouse

I should say that I have almost zero interest in rugby but I like voting in polls

Synode

Munster

CrowdedHouse wrote: »

I should say that I have almost zero interest in rugby but I like voting in polls

Well you voted wrong

RichieRich89

Think I wouldda gone with a backline of 15 Kirchner, 14 Kearney, 13 Ringrose, 12 McFadden, 11 Kelleher, with Nacewa benching. Then at least there's some pace on the wing and the 12 is more likely to supply the possession-starved Ringrose with ball.

I can only imagine that the selection of Murphy over JvdF is done with the intention of having the best players on the pitch in the last half hour so the chances of finishing well are increased. If that is the thinking then I think it might have been better to start Dom Ryan at 6, and have Rhys Rudduck as the first choice loosie providing impact off the bench.

With Leinster's lack of cutting edge and poor maul defence I reckon Munster have a good chance in this game

Yeah_Right

Welcome back.

neelia11

Munster

RichieRich89 wrote: »

Think I wouldda gone with a backline of 15 Kirchner, 14 Kearney, 13 Ringrose, 12 McFadden, 11 Kelleher, with Nacewa benching. Then at least there's some pace on the wing and the 12 is more likely to supply the possession-starved Ringrose with ball.

I can only imagine that the selection of Murphy over JvdF is done with the intention of having the best players on the pitch in the last half hour so the chances of finishing well are increased. If that is the thinking then I think it might have been better to start Dom Ryan at 6, and have Rhys Rudduck as the first choice loosie providing impact off the bench.

With Leinster's lack of cutting edge and poor maul defence I reckon Munster have a good chance in this game

Toner, Heaslip, McGrath all back in the pack. Think Maul defence will be stepped up greatly. I dont know why some people bother posting when its just negativity.

The Pheasant2

Munster

RichieRich89 wrote: »

Think I wouldda gone with a backline of 15 Kirchner, 14 Kearney, 13 Ringrose, 12 McFadden, 11 Kelleher, with Nacewa benching. Then at least there's some pace on the wing and the 12 is more likely to supply the possession-starved Ringrose with ball.

I can only imagine that the selection of Murphy over JvdF is done with the intention of having the best players on the pitch in the last half hour so the chances of finishing well are increased. If that is the thinking then I think it might have been better to start Dom Ryan at 6, and have Rhys Rudduck as the first choice loosie providing impact off the bench.

With Leinster's lack of cutting edge and poor maul defence I reckon Munster have a good chance in this game

No chance would Ferg get the nod for 12 when he's barely played there recently and we've one of our top performers this season in T'eo. (Though I do agree he could look to distribute more often)

Also think they've got the back row more or less spot on, maybe swap Murphy for JdF but I don't think it'll have a massive impact on the game...Ruddock at 6 is a lock for me - he's been in good form this season while Ryan continues to be mediocre

irishbucsfan

Distribution at 12 is far less of a problem when you've got Sexton at 10. McFadden is no great distributor either. D'Arcy wasn't exactly great at it. When Leinster have been able to move the ball wide in recent years it's generally been when through Sexton, whether directly or when he gets his hands on the ball twice.

awec

Hasn't stopped raining all day here.

neelia11

Munster

awec wrote: »

Hasn't stopped raining all day here.

looks like it might clear close to kick off time

.ak

Don't forget no Luas today.

jacothelad

Munster

CrowdedHouse wrote: »

I should say that I have almost zero interest in rugby but I like voting in polls

You can't always take the weather with you.....:D

sheep?

Munster

.ak wrote: »

Don't forget no Luas today.

At this stage it'd be easier for them to tell us the days it is in operation. :pac:

Neil3030

.ak wrote: »

Don't forget no Luas today.

Heads up - the Metro won't be running either. Not quite finished yet.

irishbucsfan

Wow

case885

irishbucsfan wrote:

Wow

Have you been hitting the sauce already?

irishbucsfan

case885 wrote: »

Have you been hitting the sauce already?

No I didn't get to do a joke yesterday, so I thought I'd make up for it by making someone scour through that looking for a surprise...

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Would a BP win put Leinster top or would Connacht stay top?

sheep?

Munster

irishbucsfan wrote: »

No I didn't get to do a joke yesterday, so I thought I'd make up for it by making someone scour through that looking for a surprise...

Ye bollox. It worked.

irishbucsfan

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Would a BP win put Leinster top or would Connacht stay top?

Leinster would go top by 1 point. A win without a BP would put them equal on points and $team would be ahead due to the tiebreakers

EDIT: Leinster would go top due to number of matches won.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Leinster would go top by 1 point. A win without a BP would put them equal on points and $team would be ahead due to the tiebreakers

EDIT: Leinster would go top due to number of matches won.

Forgot it was 4 for a win, 5 for the BP.

Neil3030

Thought this was at 1715 and I'd missed the first 5 mins, nice.

sullivlo

Bent is in the warm up. Question marks over Healy?

neelia11

Munster

sullivlo wrote: »

Bent is in the warm up. Question marks over Healy?

is it not fairly normal to have a few extra guys warm up incase someone pulls up?