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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

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  • #1442
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,378 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Artem was in the corner, and was vocal. He knows what he's talking about in terms of striking at least and understands the dynamics of fighting. He coaches striking in SBG and is apparently a very, very good coach.
    Artem was in the corner for which fight? I know he was there for UFC 194, but nobody got a chance to do anything there.

    I'm not saying he has nothing to offer or isn't a good coach. I'm saying that John and Owen are there to offer instruction in the corner. More people shouting advice doesn't necessarily mean better advice.
    It's best if one person offers clear instruction imo, rather than everyone barking randomly. I haven't seen the transcript, but apparently John's advice to Conor was on point, he just ignored a lot of it. That's what I mean by Artem vrs Ido making no difference to his corner as a whole*.


    *obviously I'd rather Artem over Ido as the only corner man.


  • #1443
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    Mellor wrote: »
    Artem was in the corner for which fight? I know he was there for UFC 194, but nobody got a chance to do anything there.

    I'm not saying he has nothing to offer or isn't a good coach. I'm saying that John and Owen are there to offer instruction in the corner. More people shouting advice doesn't necessarily mean better advice.
    It's best if one person offers clear instruction imo, rather than everyone barking randomly. I haven't seen the transcript, but apparently John's advice to Conor was on point, he just ignored a lot of it. That's what I mean by Artem vrs Ido making no difference to his corner as a whole*.


    *obviously I'd rather Artem over Ido as the only corner man.


    Artem was in his corner for 196.

    Between rounds JK was telling him to touch his way in and use more leg kicks, stop loading up and trying to get the knockout. Which is pretty much spot on.


  • #1444
    Mellor
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Between rounds JK was telling him to touch his way in and use more leg kicks, stop loading up and trying to get the knockout. Which is pretty much spot on.

    Agreed, I honestly think he could have won if he did that for two rounds before loading up


  • #1445
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    Mellor wrote: »
    Agreed, I honestly think he could have won if he did that for two rounds before loading up

    100% agreed. sure at the end of round 1 I had McGregor making it look easy. It looked like a good nights sparring from both sides, but McGregor landing and looking more accurate and calm.

    round 2 and the wheels fall off 120 seconds in! trying to fulfil his own prophecy!


  • #1446
    StringerBell
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    Mellor wrote: »

    You know Ido wasn't around between the two fight weeks right?

    As you jumped in, can you clarify what your issue is with what I said, that you quoted?

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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  • #1447
    JJayoo
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    I think people are getting abit overly excited about Ido's involvement in McG's training. Movement training = injury prevention in the same way that some athletes will foam roll and do mobility drills, it's just that Conor foam rolling for 30mins isn't that exciting.


  • #1448
    Mellor
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    StringerBell wrote: »
    As you jumped in, can you clarify what your issue is with what I said, that you quoted?

    No issue, I asked you a question. Just like you asked the previous poster a question.


  • #1449
    StringerBell
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    Mellor wrote: »
    No issue, I asked you a question. Just like you asked the previous poster a question.


    What was the point of your question? What did it have to do with my rhetorical question dispelling the myth that Ido is somehow a main factor in McGregor losing that fight?

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #1450
    Mellor
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    StringerBell wrote: »
    What was the point of your question? What did it have to do with my rhetorical question dispelling the myth that Ido is somehow a main factor in McGregor losing that fight?
    Maybe there was it way you phrased your rhetorical question, or maybe I misread it. But it sounded very much like, you were saying that Ido has been involved with Conor's training much longer that the last fight.
    I was pointing out, that his involvement to date has pretty much only been the fight week, embedded stage. He isn't a part of Conor regular training/fight camp.


  • #1451
    Devastator
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    I've found today's ludicrous McG story :D


    Anderoid Silva “These are the fighters I would like to fight. McGregor, Diaz and Bisping because that fight did not end nicely”.

    http://www.punditarena.com/mmaufc/sraftery/anderson-silva-latest-brazilian-fighter-looking-piece-conor-mcgregor/


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  • #1452
    StringerBell
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    Mellor wrote: »
    Maybe there was it way you phrased your rhetorical question, or maybe I misread it. But it sounded very much like, you were saying that Ido has been involved with Conor's training much longer that the last fight.

    Simply not the case, no need to read into anything. With how some people are going on about Portal it seems like they think this was the first fight he was involved in, when obviously it isn't.

    No comment on how involved he is. None necessary to respond to the post I responded to.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #1453
    Hail 2 Da Chimp
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    Devastator wrote: »
    I've found today's ludicrous McG story :D


    Anderoid Silva “These are the fighters I would like to fight. McGregor, Diaz and Bisping because that fight did not end nicely”.

    http://www.punditarena.com/mmaufc/sraftery/anderson-silva-latest-brazilian-fighter-looking-piece-conor-mcgregor/

    The former Middle Weight champion wants to fight the current Feather Weight champion. Makes sense :pac:


  • #1454
    Gamebred
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    A random thought,Conors gullotine defence is one of the most impressive tools in his arsenal that he doesnt get credit for to escape one of mendes and a diaz one is pretty impressive.


  • #1455
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    Gamebred wrote: »
    A random thought,Conors gullotine defence is one of the most impressive tools in his arsenal that he doesnt get credit for to escape one of mendes and a diaz one is pretty impressive.

    He didn't escape the Diaz one though, when he tried to cross to the safe side Diaz trapped his leg and then when he tired to flop Diaz just rolled with, then let go in side control and mounted him in one fluid movement.

    It's a good escape but trying it on a high level black belt like Diaz didn't actually help him. He didn't escape, Diaz transitioned.

    In fact, if anything Diaz swept him to take mount.


  • #1456
    Gamebred
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    He didn't escape the Diaz one though, when he tried to cross to the safe side Diaz trapped his leg and then when he tired to flop Diaz just rolled with, then let go in side control and mounted him in one fluid movement.

    It's a good escape but trying it on a high level black belt like Diaz didn't actually help him. He did escape, Diaz transitioned.

    In fact, if anything Diaz swept him to take mount.


    Yeah true but if he was fresher or it was just grappling it would've been safe-ish from getting subbed,being half finished didnt help him and Diaz being so good on the deck meant the transition came second nature to him but I get your point,a lot of people would've been tapped from that gullotine.


  • #1457
    JustTheOne
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    Wonder hmm conor's confidence is after that loss.

    Has his feeling of invincibility lessened a bit.


  • #1458
    StringerBell
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    Outwardly he won't show it as he doesn't think he was beaten, he thinks he beat himself.

    If he believes that truly then I see no reason for him to be any less sure of himself, if he knows he simply got out thought and out fought in that fight he may have some doubts, but tbh it is the best thing that could happen to him if he uses it to improve

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #1459
    JustTheOne
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    StringerBell wrote: »
    Outwardly he won't show it as he doesn't think he was beaten, he thinks he beat himself.

    If he believes that truly then I see no reason for him to be any less sure of himself, if he knows he simply got out thought and out fought in that fight he may have some doubts, but tbh it is the best thing that could happen to him if he uses it to improve

    I'm sure he's well aware he was outfought and out thought in that fight.


  • #1460
    StringerBell
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    JustTheOne wrote: »
    I'm sure he's well aware he was outfought and out thought in that fight.

    I would assume so too.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #1461
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    I dont believe he was out thought meself. how so? diaz did nothing really different than any other fight, actually he was poor by all accounts and losing badly in round 1. that fight was mcgregors to lose and lose it he did. he just went against a guy with chops, a chin and wealth of experience who doesnt panic. I think what he did was overthink and over reach and came up short and out of stamina. sparring your buddies at 170 is far from fighting a guy trying to take your head off!! I like em though, hope he does well in the next fight whomever he faces.


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  • #1462
    JustTheOne
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    StringerBell wrote: »
    I would assume so too.

    Sorry I thought you said he believes he beat himself.


  • #1463
    StringerBell
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    rusty cole wrote: »
    I dont believe he was out thought meself. how so? diaz did nothing really different than any other fight, actually he was poor by all accounts and losing badly in round 1. that fight was mcgregors to lose and lose it he did. he just went against a guy with chops, a chin and wealth of experience who doesnt panic. I think what he did was overthink and over reach and came up short and out of stamina. sparring your buddies at 170 is far from fighting a guy trying to take your head off!! I like em though, hope he does well in the next fight whomever he faces.

    I disagree, he was out thought. Diaz let him blow himself out. He wasn't losing the first round badly, he lost the round yes, badly? no. He did very little in the round, just baited and rolled with McGregors best punches. He never looked in any trouble at all and seemed to be starting like that on purpose.

    Going by his post fight interview that was the case as he was concerned he would not be able to last 5 rounds at a strong pace, he said he was going to start slow and feel his way into the fight. He did that, and once he found his range in round 2 he connected at will.

    Conor was gassing by the latter stages of round 1, standing flat on his feet in front of his opponent did not just occur in round 2, he was doing it in the first round also. Nate took his best and stayed standing, Conor panicked.

    The cut over the eye clouds a lot of peoples opinion on that first round I have found, the simple fact is the amount of scar tissue on both the Diaz boys faces means cuts are quite the norm in their fights, and given that Nate had only fought in December and had the eye opened then it probably hadn't even healed fully, look at McGregors eye opening from the half punch Aldo caught him with as the injury hadn't fully healed from the previous fight.

    TL;DR

    Nate playing possum a little in the first and getting Conor to over exert himself is out thinking him.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #1464
    StringerBell
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    JustTheOne wrote: »
    Sorry I thought you said he believes he beat himself.

    No, I said that is what he is portraying outwardly.

    I think he is an intelligent guy and understands, if not just by himself, then from his coaches feedback, why that fight went the way it went.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #1465
    Spudman_20000
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    StringerBell wrote: »
    I disagree, he was out thought. Diaz let him blow himself out. He wasn't losing the first round badly, he lost the round yes, badly? no. He did very little in the round, just baited and rolled with McGregors best punches. He never looked in any trouble at all and seemed to be starting like that on purpose.

    Going by his post fight interview that was the case as he was concerned he would not be able to last 5 rounds at a strong pace, he said he was going to start slow and feel his way into the fight. He did that, and once he found his range in round 2 he connected at will.

    Conor was gassing by the latter stages of round 1, standing flat on his feet in front of his opponent did not just occur in round 2, he was doing it in the first round also. Nate took his best and stayed standing, Conor panicked.

    The cut over the eye clouds a lot of peoples opinion on that first round I have found, the simple fact is the amount of scar tissue on both the Diaz boys faces means cuts are quite the norm in their fights, and given that Nate had only fought in December and had the eye opened then it probably hadn't even healed fully, look at McGregors eye opening from the half punch Aldo caught him with as the injury hadn't fully healed from the previous fight.

    TL;DR

    Nate playing possum a little in the first and getting Conor to over exert himself is out thinking him.

    Remarkable how Nate was able to tell us what he was going to do after he did it. Mystic Nate.


  • #1466
    StringerBell
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    He didn't tell us what he was going to do..........but when you respond with a dumb one liner I don't think there is much point in me entering a dialogue here really.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #1467
    Spudman_20000
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    StringerBell wrote: »
    He didn't tell us what he was going to do..........but when you respond with a dumb one liner I don't think there is much point in me entering a dialogue here really.

    Well you're saying that Nate out-thought Conor and point to what Nate said after the fight to prove that was the case.

    No offense to Nate, but he doesn't strike me as the most cerebral fighter. Ali didn't do the rope-a-dope by blocking Foreman's punches with his face.

    Nate's was more like the Homer Simpson approach in fairness, if in fact that was the game plan and not just how the fight went down.


  • #1468
    Thelomen Toblackai
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    Spudman_20000 wrote: »
    Well you're saying that Nate out-thought Conor and point to what Nate said after the fight to prove that was the case.

    No offense to Nate, but he doesn't strike me as the most cerebral fighter. Ali didn't do the rope-a-dope by blocking Foreman's punches with his face.

    Nate's was more like the Homer Simpson approach in fairness, if in fact that was the game plan and not just how the fight went down.

    Nate Diaz dodged the vast majority of what Conor threw and rolled with what connected so they had little effect on him. He eventually won the fight by out-striking Conor in the standup with a higher number and accuracy of strikes, forcing Conor to shoot to avoid being knocked out and then minced him on the ground.

    Nate Diaz is no Homer Simpson.


  • #1469
    Spudman_20000
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    Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »
    Nate Diaz dodged the vast majority of what Conor threw and rolled with what connected so they had little effect on him. He eventually won the fight by out-striking Conor in the standup with a higher number and accuracy of strikes, forcing Conor to shoot to avoid being knocked out and then minced him on the ground.

    Nate Diaz is no Homer Simpson.

    You forgot the part where Nate then walked on water.

    Amazing how Nate has been so overlooked as the great fighter he is all these years, isn't it?

    Of course if Conor had won the narrative would have been "Nate took a hit off the bong and rolled off the couch with no camp. How could he have won?".


  • #1470
    Thelomen Toblackai
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    Spudman_20000 wrote: »
    You forgot the part where Nate then walked on water.

    Amazing how Nate has been so overlooked as the great fighter he is all these years, isn't it?

    Of course if Conor had won the narrative would have been "Nate took a hit off the bong and rolled off the couch with no camp. How could he have won?".

    You seem to be forgetting the part where Diaz outfought and beat McGregor.

    Diaz hasn't been overlooked. He's got plenty of fights against plenty of top guys in the UFC. He's not an exceptional fighter by any means but he's a good fighter and he had the beating of McGregor which I'm sure he'll have again given he'll actually train for the next fight...


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  • #1471
    Swashbuckler
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    Spudman_20000 wrote: »
    You forgot the part where Nate then walked on water.

    Amazing how Nate has been so overlooked as the great fighter he is all these years, isn't it?

    Of course if Conor had won the narrative would have been "Nate took a hit off the bong and rolled off the couch with no camp. How could he have won?".

    He hasn't been overlooked. He is a great fighter. It's just the guys who have beat him haven't played into his hands. There's a way to beat Nate and Conor chose the wrong path.

    Nate did roll with most of the punches. Took some damage. And beat Conor in the second. It's pretty simple.


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