Subcomandante Marcos wrote: » Artem was in the corner, and was vocal. He knows what he's talking about in terms of striking at least and understands the dynamics of fighting. He coaches striking in SBG and is apparently a very, very good coach.
Mellor wrote: » Artem was in the corner for which fight? I know he was there for UFC 194, but nobody got a chance to do anything there. I'm not saying he has nothing to offer or isn't a good coach. I'm saying that John and Owen are there to offer instruction in the corner. More people shouting advice doesn't necessarily mean better advice. It's best if one person offers clear instruction imo, rather than everyone barking randomly. I haven't seen the transcript, but apparently John's advice to Conor was on point, he just ignored a lot of it. That's what I mean by Artem vrs Ido making no difference to his corner as a whole*. *obviously I'd rather Artem over Ido as the only corner man.
Subcomandante Marcos wrote: » Between rounds JK was telling him to touch his way in and use more leg kicks, stop loading up and trying to get the knockout. Which is pretty much spot on.
Mellor wrote: » Agreed, I honestly think he could have won if he did that for two rounds before loading up
Mellor wrote: » You know Ido wasn't around between the two fight weeks right?
StringerBell wrote: » As you jumped in, can you clarify what your issue is with what I said, that you quoted?
Mellor wrote: » No issue, I asked you a question. Just like you asked the previous poster a question.
StringerBell wrote: » What was the point of your question? What did it have to do with my rhetorical question dispelling the myth that Ido is somehow a main factor in McGregor losing that fight?
Mellor wrote: » Maybe there was it way you phrased your rhetorical question, or maybe I misread it. But it sounded very much like, you were saying that Ido has been involved with Conor's training much longer that the last fight.
Devastator wrote: » I've found today's ludicrous McG story Anderoid Silva “These are the fighters I would like to fight. McGregor, Diaz and Bisping because that fight did not end nicely”.http://www.punditarena.com/mmaufc/sraftery/anderson-silva-latest-brazilian-fighter-looking-piece-conor-mcgregor/
Gamebred wrote: » A random thought,Conors gullotine defence is one of the most impressive tools in his arsenal that he doesnt get credit for to escape one of mendes and a diaz one is pretty impressive.
Subcomandante Marcos wrote: » He didn't escape the Diaz one though, when he tried to cross to the safe side Diaz trapped his leg and then when he tired to flop Diaz just rolled with, then let go in side control and mounted him in one fluid movement. It's a good escape but trying it on a high level black belt like Diaz didn't actually help him. He did escape, Diaz transitioned. In fact, if anything Diaz swept him to take mount.
StringerBell wrote: » Outwardly he won't show it as he doesn't think he was beaten, he thinks he beat himself. If he believes that truly then I see no reason for him to be any less sure of himself, if he knows he simply got out thought and out fought in that fight he may have some doubts, but tbh it is the best thing that could happen to him if he uses it to improve
JustTheOne wrote: » I'm sure he's well aware he was outfought and out thought in that fight.
StringerBell wrote: » I would assume so too.
rusty cole wrote: » I dont believe he was out thought meself. how so? diaz did nothing really different than any other fight, actually he was poor by all accounts and losing badly in round 1. that fight was mcgregors to lose and lose it he did. he just went against a guy with chops, a chin and wealth of experience who doesnt panic. I think what he did was overthink and over reach and came up short and out of stamina. sparring your buddies at 170 is far from fighting a guy trying to take your head off!! I like em though, hope he does well in the next fight whomever he faces.
JustTheOne wrote: » Sorry I thought you said he believes he beat himself.
StringerBell wrote: » I disagree, he was out thought. Diaz let him blow himself out. He wasn't losing the first round badly, he lost the round yes, badly? no. He did very little in the round, just baited and rolled with McGregors best punches. He never looked in any trouble at all and seemed to be starting like that on purpose. Going by his post fight interview that was the case as he was concerned he would not be able to last 5 rounds at a strong pace, he said he was going to start slow and feel his way into the fight. He did that, and once he found his range in round 2 he connected at will. Conor was gassing by the latter stages of round 1, standing flat on his feet in front of his opponent did not just occur in round 2, he was doing it in the first round also. Nate took his best and stayed standing, Conor panicked. The cut over the eye clouds a lot of peoples opinion on that first round I have found, the simple fact is the amount of scar tissue on both the Diaz boys faces means cuts are quite the norm in their fights, and given that Nate had only fought in December and had the eye opened then it probably hadn't even healed fully, look at McGregors eye opening from the half punch Aldo caught him with as the injury hadn't fully healed from the previous fight. TL;DR Nate playing possum a little in the first and getting Conor to over exert himself is out thinking him.
StringerBell wrote: » He didn't tell us what he was going to do..........but when you respond with a dumb one liner I don't think there is much point in me entering a dialogue here really.
Spudman_20000 wrote: » Well you're saying that Nate out-thought Conor and point to what Nate said after the fight to prove that was the case. No offense to Nate, but he doesn't strike me as the most cerebral fighter. Ali didn't do the rope-a-dope by blocking Foreman's punches with his face. Nate's was more like the Homer Simpson approach in fairness, if in fact that was the game plan and not just how the fight went down.
Thelomen Toblackai wrote: » Nate Diaz dodged the vast majority of what Conor threw and rolled with what connected so they had little effect on him. He eventually won the fight by out-striking Conor in the standup with a higher number and accuracy of strikes, forcing Conor to shoot to avoid being knocked out and then minced him on the ground. Nate Diaz is no Homer Simpson.
Spudman_20000 wrote: » You forgot the part where Nate then walked on water. Amazing how Nate has been so overlooked as the great fighter he is all these years, isn't it? Of course if Conor had won the narrative would have been "Nate took a hit off the bong and rolled off the couch with no camp. How could he have won?".
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