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Garda, nurses, teachers and doctor's pay

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  • #542
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    rubadub wrote: »
    Great, I guessed you wouldn't, now can you realise why you calling peoples wages insulting may be very insulting to them? Or do you just not give a shit? Do you know any gardai? would you tell them to their face you think their wages are an insult?

    I do know a few AND they know their wages are poor. Same with teachers, nurses and firemen. I don't have to tell them, they tell me.
    They are also telling you in here.
    Why don't you listen to reports from their conferences and you might educate yourself?


  • #543
    Martypants1
    Site Banned Posts: 806 ✭✭✭Martypants1


    KatW4 wrote: »
    I'm a teacher and guess how much I made in 2015? 18 thousand euro. Thankfully I don't have to pay rent or I don't know what I'd do.

    We don't have the same holidays as the children because we have to go on courses, set our classrooms up, make plans and fill in forms.

    I am so sick and tired of people telling me that I don't deserve to be paid like a normal person, or teachers who have worked for a few more years than me, because I have more holidays than others. It makes me so bloody angry that people who aren't in the profession can make judgements like this.

    I'm sorry for the angry post but I'm fed up of reading this sort of thing all of the time.

    There are people being paid 18k or less for working more hours than you. Absolute disgrace you are saying anyone who is paid that kind of money isn't normal.

    Did you not know the pay before training to become a teacher? Are you just getting paid for 9 months and you don't have a permanent job? Just like many other people in the country?


  • #544
    mulbot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Caoimhgh1n wrote: »
    They still get 2 months of "breaks", they just have to meet the deadline.

    They still prepare for classes during these breaks too.

    Really? I know a woodwork teacher who's flat out roofing during his breaks,and another female who goes off around Europe every Summer,which i believe is quite a popular choice among a lot of teachers


  • #545
    tayto lover
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    Martypants1 wrote: »
    There are people being paid 18k or less for working more hours than you. Absolute disgrace you are saying anyone who is paid that kind of money isn't normal.

    Did you not know the pay before training to become a teacher? Are you just getting paid for 9 months and you don't have a permanent job? Just like many other people in the country?

    Mind you don't fall off that high horse.


  • #546
    Martypants1
    Site Banned Posts: 806 ✭✭✭Martypants1


    mulbot wrote: »
    Really? I know a woodwork teacher who's flat out roofing during his breaks,and another female who goes off around Europe every Summer,which i believe is quite a popular choice among a lot of teachers

    Don't forget the teachers doing grinds for money in the hand during easter breaks, halloween breaks, summer breaks.


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  • #547
    tayto lover
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    Martypants1 wrote: »
    Don't forget the teachers doing grinds for money in the hand during easter breaks, halloween breaks, summer breaks.

    Needs must.
    It's shameful that they're reduced to that to make ends meet.
    Should be properly paid.


  • #548
    doireannod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 176 ✭✭doireannod


    Caoimhgh1n wrote: »
    Martypants1, teachers deserve the pay they get. They work not only 5 days a week, but at the weekends too. Correcting essays, arranging classes and going to hours of pointless meetings. Not to mention having to deal with the same little brats every week, with nothing done about them. In the summer, when they correct the JC and LC, they spent up to 8 hours a day for a little over a month correcting exams, with little to no breaks.

    8 hours is a standard day. Most of us work more than that. Everyday. Right through the summer. Every year. Not optional. Not paid extra. The idea that someone considers an 8 hour day arduous and commendable is ridiculous.


  • #549
    Caoimhgh1n
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,499 ✭✭✭✭Caoimhgh1n


    Martypants1 wrote: »
    There are people being paid 18k or less for working more hours than you. Absolute disgrace you are saying anyone who is paid that kind of money isn't normal.

    Did you not know the pay before training to become a teacher? Are you just getting paid for 9 months and you don't have a permanent job? Just like many other people in the country?

    Oh, what about the LUAS drivers with their 6 week courses?


  • #550
    Martypants1
    Site Banned Posts: 806 ✭✭✭Martypants1


    Caoimhgh1n wrote: »
    Oh, what about the LUAS drivers with their 6 week courses?

    Luas drivers are ****. I don't support them either.

    What's your point. You're not answering any of my questions Caoimhin. I'm out.


  • #551
    Caoimhgh1n
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,499 ✭✭✭✭Caoimhgh1n


    Martypants1 wrote: »
    Luas drivers are ****. I don't support them either.

    What's your point. You're not answering any of my questions Caoimhin. I'm out.

    What questions did you ask that I did not respond to? Also, CaoimhGHÍn.


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  • #552
    Martypants1
    Site Banned Posts: 806 ✭✭✭Martypants1


    doireannod wrote: »
    8 hours is a standard day. Most of us work more than that. Everyday. Right through the summer. Every year. Not optional. Not paid extra. The idea that someone considers an 8 hour day arduous and commendable is ridiculous.

    Teachers are so detached from the real world it's unreal.


  • #553
    Martypants1
    Site Banned Posts: 806 ✭✭✭Martypants1


    Caoimhgh1n wrote: »
    What questions did you ask that I did not respond to? Also, CaoimhGHÍn.

    For example. Why are teachers who want equal pay not shouting for the higher paid teachers to lower their pay?


  • #554
    Caoimhgh1n
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,499 ✭✭✭✭Caoimhgh1n


    Martypants1 wrote: »
    Teachers are so detached from the real world it's unreal.

    Now you are generalising an entire profession?


  • #555
    Caoimhgh1n
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,499 ✭✭✭✭Caoimhgh1n


    Martypants1 wrote: »
    For example. Why are teachers who want equal pay not shouting for the higher paid teachers to lower their pay?

    They feel the starting pay is too low, which I agree with.

    I feel like they should go half way between new teacher and old teacher pay, and keep it there.


  • #556
    Martypants1
    Site Banned Posts: 806 ✭✭✭Martypants1


    Caoimhgh1n wrote: »
    They feel the starting pay is too low, which I agree with.

    I feel like they should go half way between new teacher and old teacher pay, and keep it there.

    They haven't been saying that. They've been saying they want to be paid the same as others for doing the same work.


  • #557
    mulbot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Caoimhgh1n wrote: »
    They feel the starting pay is too low, which I agree with.

    I feel like they should go half way between new teacher and old teacher pay, and keep it there.

    What is starting pay now if you don't mind me asking?


  • #558
    Caoimhgh1n
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,499 ✭✭✭✭Caoimhgh1n


    Martypants1 wrote: »
    They haven't been saying that. They've been saying they want to be paid the same as others for doing the same work.

    Yes, which I agree with.


  • #559
    Caoimhgh1n
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,499 ✭✭✭✭Caoimhgh1n


    mulbot wrote: »
    What is starting pay now if you don't mind me asking?

    Primary or Secondary?


  • #560
    tayto lover
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    Martypants1 wrote: »
    They haven't been saying that. They've been saying they want to be paid the same as others for doing the same work.

    Rightly so. All teachers should have the same terms.
    It's disgraceful that two teachers who teach the same subject in the same school are not working on the same terms.


  • #561
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    tayto lover wrote: »
    I do know a few AND they know their wages are poor. Same with teachers, nurses and firemen. I don't have to tell them, they tell me.
    They are also telling you in here.
    The teachers, nurses & gardai I know do not complain. I know 2 teachers who were discussing their work and agreed they considered it a form of seasonal work, since in their time off they get to do other jobs.

    I have heard nurses, teachers and people in all sorts of other jobs complain about the likes of luas drivers being overpaid, which I also think is ridiculous, but its a complaint they are unnecessarily overpaid, and the stupidity of it. Maybe you would consider such discussions as them complaining that their "wages are poor", I certainly would not.

    The evidence is clear to see, people are still lining up for these "insulting" wages, for blatantly obvious reasons.

    If someone told me they consider my wages insulting I would think them to be a rude, snide & sneering disrespectful cunt.


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  • #562
    maryishere
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    Martypants1 wrote: »
    Don't forget the teachers doing grinds for money in the hand during easter breaks, halloween breaks, summer breaks.
    And during the school year too.


  • #563
    Inspector Coptoor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Inspector Coptoor


    Martypants1 wrote: »
    For example. Why are teachers who want equal pay not shouting for the higher paid teachers to lower their pay?

    Because that's not how it works and would never be supported.

    Post 2011 qualified teachers start on around €30,000.

    When I started nearly a decade ago, I started on €38,000.

    What we as a teaching profession want is the abolition of three different pay scales and one pay scale that applies to all teachers, the pre 2011 one.


  • #564
    mulbot
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    Caoimhgh1n wrote: »
    Primary or Secondary?

    Secondary


  • #565
    Inspector Coptoor
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    mulbot wrote: »
    Secondary

    http://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/pay/salary-scales/salary-scale-for-teachers-appointed-after-february-1-2012/


  • #566
    tayto lover
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    rubadub wrote: »
    The teachers, nurses & gardai I know do not complain. I know 2 teachers who were discussing their work and agreed they considered it a form of seasonal work, since in their time off they get to do other jobs.

    I have heard nurses, teachers and people in all sorts of other jobs complain about the likes of luas drivers being overpaid, which I also think is ridiculous, but its a complaint they are unnecessarily overpaid, and the stupidity of it. Maybe you would consider such discussions as them complaining that their "wages are poor", I certainly would not.

    The evidence is clear to see, people are still lining up for these "insulting" wages, for blatantly obvious reasons.

    If someone told me they consider my wages insulting I would think them to be a rude, snide & sneering disrespectful cunt.

    You should read the reports from the conferences. Here's a snippet -


    Addressing almost 500 delegates at the union's annual conference in Killarney, TUI General Secretary John MacGabhann accused the government of treating new-entrant teachers as "galley slaves".

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0329/777992-teacher-conferences/


  • #567
    KatW4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭KatW4


    Martypants1 wrote:
    There are people being paid 18k or less for working more hours than you. Absolute disgrace you are saying anyone who is paid that kind of money isn't normal.

    Did you not know the pay before training to become a teacher? Are you just getting paid for 9 months and you don't have a permanent job? Just like many other people in the country?

    Yes I knew what the pay was. I love my job, but it is a job and not something I'm volunteering to do. It's unfair that because I trained in 2011, I get paid less than my colleagues. No, I don't have a permanent job because I don't have enough experience to be put on a panel to get a job yet even though I'm in my fourth year of teaching.

    I'm not saying that other people don't have a tough job. I would NEVER comment on someone else's job or pay because I have no idea what their job entails.

    And as for the people who say that primary teaching is all about painting and babysitting, let me tell you what I have to deal with. I have a child with behaviour issues which means at least once a day, he runs around the classroom and pulls down displays, scares the other children, rip books and kicks or hits me. Then I have the children who don't have a stable home environment who have to have my lunch sometimes and who follow me around because they need an adult to comfort them. That's on top of planning, marking, photocopying, making resources and going to meetings. Then of course I have the teaching to do.

    My job is nothing compared to some people's jobs and I know that. It can be very easy some days. I would never look for more money/a rise for it, just the same as other teachers.


  • #568
    maudgonner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    KatW4 wrote: »
    I'm a teacher and guess how much I made in 2015? 18 thousand euro. Thankfully I don't have to pay rent or I don't know what I'd do.

    I'm guessing from that figure that you're not permanent Kat? That sucks, you guys got done over.

    Teaching seems to be one of those areas where deals got done that suited some of those in the profession very well, but shafted others. Is it still the case that teachers come out of retirement to take up jobs instead of them going to new grads?

    I think it's fair to say that most of the time when people say teachers should not get a payrise, they're definitely not talking about non-perms. I know I would like to see things being much fairer for newer teachers.


    (ETA: Posted before I saw your comment above about your job status.)


  • #569
    Caoimhgh1n
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,499 ✭✭✭✭Caoimhgh1n


    mulbot wrote: »
    Secondary

    It may have changed slightly, but on full hours (which are very hard to get, especially at the beginning) the starting salary is 28k per year.


  • #570
    mulbot
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    Inspector Coptoor wrote: »
    http://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/pay/salary-scales/salary-scale-for-teachers-appointed-after-february-1-2012/

    In fairness,starting wage of 31,000 is fair


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  • #571
    mulbot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Caoimhgh1n wrote: »
    It may have changed slightly, but on full hours (which are very hard to get, especially at the beginning) the starting salary is 28k per year.

    The link showed 31,009.that's not a bad starting wage


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