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1916 celebrations *Warning in post #1*

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  • #122
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Torricelli wrote: »
    Everyone so proud to be Irish today. Will they be so proud tomorrow when all the bells and whistles are replaced by junkies and homeless people?

    We are such a fake nation.
    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


  • #123
    AnMuinteoirOg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭AnMuinteoirOg


    laugh wrote: »
    By all means include them, this is exclusively military.

    Never knew the Red Cross, the Gardai, the Prison Service, the RNLI, the Civil Defense and the Fire Brigade were part of the military.


  • #124
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Pointless militarism. Lots of pomp and self important posturing to celebrate an act of baseless thuggery by a small rabble of gob****es.
    It will give a great boost to the Shinners and probably reinvigorate the ranks of the militants - won't be long before the bombing will start again - as happened after 1966.


  • #125
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    I am not into military parades myself but it's an important historic event. What do people expect to do?


  • #126
    maryishere
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    Torricelli wrote: »
    Everyone so proud to be Irish today. Will they be so proud tomorrow when all the bells and whistles are replaced by junkies and homeless people?

    We are such a fake nation.

    +1. And hypocritical, condemning other Republican extremists who took up arms without a mandate (and who killed thousands of Irish people since '16) while condoning (to put it mildly) the Republican extremists who took up arms in 1916.

    Interesting to see what some others say about us. From the sky thread:
    "Celebrating independence and they've done so well. Their economies on its arse and was dire for decades prior to handouts from the eu. They're riven with scandal after scandal about how they've treated their citizens, the Catholic Church has often been at the centre of them in collusion with the Irish government. Does the Irish state have a lot to be proud of since independence?"


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  • #127
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    LorMal wrote: »
    Pointless militarism. Lots of pomp and self important posturing to celebrate an act of baseless thuggery by a small rabble of gob****es.
    It will give a great boost to the Shinners and probably reinvigorate the ranks of the militants - won't be long before the bombing will start again - as happened after 1966.

    That's the spirit


  • #128
    leahyl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,587 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    laugh wrote: »
    It lead to the formation of the state, celebrate that. Have military appreciation day some other time.

    Yes, that's how we're commemorating it, with a military parade...I'm sorry, I don't understand how you can't see the connection with the Easter Rising which was carried out by the Irish Volunteers and the Irish Citizen Army - the military forces in Ireland at the time. Seems a pretty obvious way to remember if you ask me. If the rising hadn't happened, there most likely wouldn't be an Irish free state, so don't know how you can discount its significance. It lead to the formation of the state,like you said, so why wouldn't we remember this event in our history?!


  • #129
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,215 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    maryishere wrote: »
    The Irish Examner ( from Ireland real capital, boy) say thats what the "celebrations" on 1916 are costing.
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/budget2016/budget2016-analysis/budget-2016-50m-earmarked-for-events-of-1916-commemoration-359142.html

    No it says 50 million is being spent on the celebrations and various museums and exhibitions mostly permanent. Could you explain what a real capital is and how Cork qualifies?


  • #130
    Muff Richardson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭Muff Richardson


    laugh wrote: »
    It lead to the formation of the state, celebrate that. Have military appreciation day some other time.

    The cultural celebrations are taking place tomorrow all over the country, which in fact should be the actual day of commemorations. There's plenty of time for both and sure why not today instead of tomorrow.

    The military aspect of it isn't some muscle flexing exercise, like Russia, USA or China do regularly, as if we are some military power and we don't pretend to be, it's just to formalise the occasion


  • #131
    Collie D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,585 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    LorMal wrote: »
    Pointless militarism. Lots of pomp and self important posturing to celebrate an act of baseless thuggery by a small rabble of gob****es.
    It will give a great boost to the Shinners and probably reinvigorate the ranks of the militants - won't be long before the bombing will start again - as happened after 1966.

    Sunday Independent letter of the week. Enjoy your Easons voucher. Maybe buy a history book with it


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  • #132
    melissak
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭melissak


    maryishere wrote: »
    +1. And hypocritical, condemning other Republican extremists who took up arms without a mandate (and who killed thousands of Irish people since '16) while condoning (to put it mildly) the Republican extremists who took up arms in 1916.

    Interesting to see what some others say about us. From the sky thread:
    "Celebrating independence and they've done so well. Their economies on its arse and was dire for decades prior to handouts from the eu. They're riven with scandal after scandal about how they've treated their citizens, the Catholic Church has often been at the centre of them in collusion with the Irish government. Does the Irish state have a lot to be proud of since independence?"
    Really? Did sky say that? Bitchy, like they have done so well. Plenty of scandals and oppression to be found within their own shores.


  • #133
    laugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭laugh


    leahyl wrote: »
    Yes, that's how we're commemorating it, with a military parade...I'm sorry, I don't understand how you can't see the connection with the Easter Rising which was carried out by the Irish Volunteers and the Irish Citizen Army - the military forces in Ireland at the time. Seems a pretty obvious way to remember if you ask me. If the rising hadn't happened, there most likely wouldn't be an Irish free state, so don't know how you can discount its significance. It lead to the formation of the state,like you said, so why wouldn't we remember this event in our history?!

    What were the professions of the people who partook in the rising? Would they have described themselves as professional soldiers? I just think we would should celebrate what they stood for not the act.


  • #134
    Hotei
    Closed Accounts Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Hotei


    LorMal wrote: »
    Pointless militarism. Lots of pomp and self important posturing to celebrate an act of baseless thuggery by a small rabble of gob****es.
    It will give a great boost to the Shinners and probably reinvigorate the ranks of the militants - won't be long before the bombing will start again - as happened after 1966.

    Cop yourself on!


  • #135
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Collie D wrote: »
    Sunday Independent letter of the week. Enjoy your Easons voucher. Maybe buy a history book with it
    Don't bother suggesting I don't know the history - I do. It's the make believe stuff I have a problem with.


  • #136
    leahyl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,587 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    laugh wrote: »
    What were the professions of the people who partook in the rising? Would they have described themselves as professional soldiers? I just think we would should celebrate what they stood for not the act.

    Fair enough, we did that though, in my opinion. How do you think we should have commemorated it?


  • #137
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Hotei wrote: »
    Cop yourself on!

    Brilliantly argued. I will immediately cop myself on


  • #138
    uck51js9zml2yt
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Last year the rangers won both the international and overall award in the world sniping competition, the first non American team to do so.

    Lots of people here should have been entered in the competition. We would have won gold silver and bronze!


  • #139
    That_Guy
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    LorMal wrote: »
    Don't bother suggesting I don't know the history - I do. It's the make believe stuff I have a problem with.

    You mean Pearse didn't slay the English on the back of a dragon?


  • #140
    suicide_circus
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    maryishere wrote: »
    +1. And hypocritical, condemning other Republican extremists who took up arms without a mandate (and who killed thousands of Irish people since '16) while condoning (to put it mildly) the Republican extremists who took up arms in 1916.

    Interesting to see what some others say about us. From the sky thread:
    "Celebrating independence and they've done so well. Their economies on its arse and was dire for decades prior to handouts from the eu. They're riven with scandal after scandal about how they've treated their citizens, the Catholic Church has often been at the centre of them in collusion with the Irish government. Does the Irish state have a lot to be proud of since independence?"
    I understand a lot of people have this post colonial insecurity and general love of the hair shirt but it's frankly pathetic. We like any other nation have to in part create our national identity and work on our narrative. Every country does this, it's a part of statehood. These celebrations are not a claim to perfection, they are a coming together in spite of our imperfections.


  • #141
    Hotei
    Closed Accounts Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Hotei


    LorMal wrote: »
    Brilliantly argued. I will immediately cop myself on

    I'd doubt that very much.


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  • #142
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    AnMuinteoirOg wrote: »
    Never knew the Red Cross, the Gardai, the Prison Service, the RNLI, the Civil Defense and the Fire Brigade were part of the military.

    Quiet clearly referred to the emergency services in the official commentary.


  • #143
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Just watching it now & It's a pretty good parade....

    We don't have much, but it's nice to see it all on show.


  • #144
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Did the wind take down the cameras?


  • #145
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    Just back in from it. A great historic day which I hope will lead people to reflect on where we are as a nation, and where we hope to be in another 100 years.

    I see we have the same self-loathing from the same people on here. Thankfully they are a tiny minority. Could you not give it a rest for the day that's in it.


  • #146
    JustTheOne
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    I thought the irony was strong watching Martin McGuinness clapping as the 88 gardai marched representing each member of the force who lost their lives on duty serving the state.


  • #147
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Unreal stuff, the Brits really don't know a lot about their past.

    Also, they're comparing this to marches in the North which are completely different things.

    I live in England a lot of them haven't clue one about the history on their own island. A lot more racism here and a lot less culture. I think they based their culture on colonialism in the past so whenever a former colony celebrates not being British anymore they get offended. Not all or even most British just the knuckle draggers.


  • #148
    iDave
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    Just back from it. Very tastefully done and proud.

    And no marching down streets where they're not wanted or burning flags in bonfires.


  • #149
    ThisRegard
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    melissak wrote: »
    Really? Did sky say that? Bitchy, like they have done so well. Plenty of scandals and oppression to be found within their own shores.

    Of course they didn't.


  • #150
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    LorMal wrote: »
    Pointless militarism. Lots of pomp and self important posturing to celebrate an act of baseless thuggery by a small rabble of gob****es.
    It will give a great boost to the Shinners and probably reinvigorate the ranks of the militants - won't be long before the bombing will start again - as happened after 1966.

    Certainly, that's how it was received in the immediate aftermath.......

    .......over the decades, though, it's come to be rightly recognised as a pivotal moment (for better or worse) in the Republic's history. Arguably the pivotal moment.


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  • #151
    AnMuinteoirOg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭AnMuinteoirOg


    Julien Savory Sideshow wrote: »
    Quiet clearly referred to the emergency services in the official commentary.

    It was sarcasm to a previous post.


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