1916 celebrations *Warning in post #1*

Iwasfrozen

Arsemageddon wrote: »

Regarding the non-payment of the annuities, Fianna Fail had campaigned on a platform of non-payment of the annuities from their foundation. They won the general elections in both 1932 and 1933 and further increased there number of TDs with by-election victories giving them n absolute majority.

Therefore, there was a mandate from the Irish people to cease paying the annuities.

http://www.historyireland.com/20th-century-contemporary-history/when-dev-defaulted-the-land-annuities-dispute-1926-38/

If a party ran on the platform of forgiving everyone's mortgage they would be elected too, you can't vote a government in to remove your personal debt. Especially not international debt, that's how trade wars start.

The Irish did pay the debt in the end, decades in advance after much needless suffering.

tomwaterford

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

If a party ran on the platform of forgiving everyone's mortgage they would be elected too, you can't vote a government in to remove your personal debt. Especially not international debt, that's how trade wars start.

The Irish did pay the debt in the end, decades in advance after much needless suffering.

Why can't you elect such a government...if a majority want it...you must accept it

(Fun fact: that's how democracy works)

quadrifoglio verde

tomwaterford wrote: »

Why can't you elect such a government...if a majority want it...you must accept it

(Fun fact: that's how democracy works)

Oh you can but That doesn't mean that your creditors have too. Default equals lockout ala Argentina until the lenders deem the country responsible enough to repay them

tomwaterford

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

Oh you can but That doesn't mean that your creditors have too. Default equals lockout ala Argentina until the lenders deem the country responsible enough to repay them

^^this is true

But I can't abide pure lies:

British debts magically become Ireland's??


You can't elect a party running on x promise...when there's nothing in the democratic process to stop it happening (No matter how unlikely it may be)

Arsemageddon

maryishere wrote: »

Its unlikely the British would have tolerated the likes of the Magdalene laundries, the endemic clerical child abuse, the treatment of minorities, the corruption of Haughey and other politicians, the lack of regulation by our Central bank leading to the property bubble here, the actions of our banksters during the bubble years etc.

Britain was bailed out by the IMF in 1976 and they've had a fair few scandals with political corruption over the years. I believe David Cameron is in a bit of a pickle at the moment regarding his personal finances.

Hell,there was even an MP who took out a contract to have his killed...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorpe_affair

The recent revelations about sexual abuse by British celebrities shares many parallels to clerical abuse in Ireland. There is also the scandal of sexual abuse at the Kincora Boys Home in Belfast or more recently the failure to investigate paedophile gangs in Rochdale and elsewhere.

And as for treatment of minorities all I can say is that the mistreatment of a minority group in Northern Ireland led to the outbreak of the Troubles.

We have undoubtedly repeatedly fvcked up our own country, but this doesn't mean everything

We currently have the second highest debt per head of population in the world - the world - despite all the handouts and bailouts and EC grants and EC structural funds and EEC handouts and common agricultural policy payments and free motorways.

Every state in the EU knows the rules when they join and how the club works. Transfer payments are made from rich countries to poorer countries. Ireland is in no way unique in receiving payments from the EU.

...and no we don't get 'free motorways'.

We also are a tax haven internationally much to the annoyance of the UK and US authorities, who would be better off if we were not laundering the profits of their multinationals. Would we have been such a borrower from the rest of the world if we were not independent

More simplistic twaddle. Britain and the US are hardly in a position to criticise us.

Here's some articles from the Washington Post and Bloomberg about how the US is becoming the biggest tax haven in the world
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-27/the-world-s-favorite-new-tax-haven-is-the-united-states
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/04/05/how-the-u-s-became-one-of-the-worlds-biggest-tax-havens/

if the Uk's overseas dependencies were included in the figures with the mainland UK then it would probably be the worlds number one tax haven.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/nov/07/britain-tax-havens-queen-secrecy-justice-network

The point of all this isn't to bash De Brits, its to point out the ridiculous double standards you keep using. Just because Ireland makes mistakes it doesn't mean everywhere else is perfect.

Cherry-picking, bluffing and bullsh1tting aren't a good ways to make an argument Mary, especially when they are done this ineptly.

Arsemageddon

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

If a party ran on the platform of forgiving everyone's mortgage they would be elected too, you can't vote a government in to remove your personal debt. Especially not international debt, that's how trade wars start.

The Irish did pay the debt in the end, decades in advance after much needless suffering.

Ireland didn't pay the full amount that would have been owed and we did get the treaty ports back, therefore gaining sovereignty over the entire 26 counties.

If people have been posting about the non-existence of a mandate for 1916 then its a bit of a stretch for them to be ignoring the existence of a mandate for non-payment of the annuities.