1916 celebrations *Warning in post #1*

laugh

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Mod

Same ****e, different day.

If someone disagrees with you they aren't automatically trolling, discuss and rebut, attack the post and not the poster.

That said, there are a few here that are on a wind up. I've let it go till now but that's it. This is your warning, give it a rest. Take heed or get banned.

Why is this so militaristic?

It seems very simplistic to celebrate rising up against an oppressor by marching our current small neutral military force passed the GPO.

Should this not be more of a celebration of all of what Ireland is today?

steddyeddy

It looked great to be fair.

Rightwing

If this was happening in the North, they'd all be shouting insults at the 'shinners' :rolleyes:

IamtheWalrus

laugh wrote: »

Why is this so militaristic?

It seems very simplistic to celebrate rising up against an oppressor by marching our current small neutral military force passed the GPO.

Should this not be more of a celebration of all of what Ireland is today?

I was thinking the same. A few young Irish children of differing cultures showing our future and our inclusion.

I'd have no presence of religion or politics. This is a celebration of Irish people. Not a political exercise.

Pink Fairy

Switched it on.....it's painful to watch, ....so I'm not watching anymore, maybe someone throw up a YouTube highlights link later .

bnt

Just had one of the formations pass over me in South Dublin, heading north - a cargo plane and several smaller planes. The formation was very wobbly - two of the planes came extremely close to colliding, or so it seemed from my POV. :eek:

That_Guy

I think it's absolutely brilliant myself. I've criticised RTE many times but I think their coverage is excellent and the organisers did a damn good job imo.

Dublin looks absolutely incredible today.

Jawgap

laugh wrote: »

Why is this so militaristic?

It seems very simplistic to celebrate rising up against an oppressor by marching our current small neutral military force passed the GPO.

Should this not be more of a celebration of all of what Ireland is today?

Because it was Oglaigh na hEireann, the Citizen Army, the Hibernian Rifles etc who fought in the Rising, and the current Defence Forces are their lineal descendants......it's their well deserved moment of commemoration.

Good job they're doing too......well done to them.

OldMrBrennan83

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RobertKK

bnt wrote: »

Just had one of the formations pass over me in South Dublin, heading north - a cargo plane and several smaller planes. The formation was very wobbly - two of the planes came extremely close to colliding, or so it seemed from my POV. :eek:

Saw the plane flyover on TV, the winds are very strong and yes the planes were very wobbly.

DanielODonnell

I take nothing to do with it, it is full of 26 county nationalists, not the sort of nationalism that the comrades during 1916 and the war of independence fought for, for example Martin McGuinness would have more in common with them than Enda Kenny would.

This fellow sums it up well for me.

https://youtu.be/-_aWuoXNjWo?t=7m2s

Firefox11

The ceremonies and parade are fantastic. Dublin looks so well in those are ariel shots. Proud to be Irish!

Edward Hopper

It's like a budget/mini version of the shows of force the old Eastern Bloc countries used to parade.

That_Guy

DanielODonnell wrote: »

I take nothing to do with it, it is full of 26 county nationalists, not the sort of nationalism that the comrades during 1916 and the war of independence fought for.

This fellow sums it up well for me.

https://youtu.be/-_aWuoXNjWo?t=7m2s

Don't tar us all with the same brush there pal. We're not all "26 county nationalists".

Jawgap

RobertKK wrote: »

Saw the plane flyover on TV, the winds are very strong and yes the planes were very wobbly.

Looks a like a strong cross-wind over O'Connell Street (judging by the flags) - hard work holding a position in a formation trying to fly along the street, I'd imagine.

laugh

Jawgap wrote: »

Because it was Oglaigh na hEireann, the Citizen Army, the Hibernian Rifles etc who fought in the Rising, and the current Defence Forces are their lineal descendants......it's their well deserved moment of commemoration.

Good job their doing too......well done to them.

Their aim was a republic though not professional soldiering.

Collie D

That_Guy wrote: »

Don't tar us all with the same brush there pal. We're not all "26 county nationalists".

What is that anyway?

keeponhurling

Looks fantastic to me, wish I could be there

That_Guy

Collie D wrote: »

What is that anyway?

I think it's those lads who wear the Celtic jerseys...

That_Guy

Fella on RTE loves saying "ve-HEH-cle".

sonofenoch

I'm reminded of N. Korea or China in their militaristic pomp

Jawgap

laugh wrote: »

Their aim was a republic though not professional soldiering.

It sure was, but that doesn't change the fact that the DF deserve their time today.

City looks great too.

murpho999

Why are people complaining about a commemoration of a military event being conducted by the military of a now independent state.

Let Patrick's Day parades be for the kids and modern Ireland.

This is more to do with founding of the state and the military is very important to that.

bnt

Jawgap wrote: »

Looks a like a strong cross-wind over O'Connell Street (judging by the flags) - hard work holding a position in a formation trying to fly along the street, I'd imagine.

Indeed - this isn't really a day for low flying. The wind appears to be coming mostly WSW with gusts, and the weather radar show intermittent showers, some heavy, crossing the country.

riffmongous

Jawgap wrote: »

Because it was Oglaigh na hEireann, the Citizen Army, the Hibernian Rifles etc who fought in the Rising, and the current Defence Forces are their lineal descendants......it's their well deserved moment of commemoration.

Good job their doing too......well done to them.

Isn't there another parade going on somewhere with a group also claiming to be their lineal descendants :pac:

I think it should also be pointed out that the yearly (state) commemorations have always been done by the Defence Forces so to deny them pride of place this year would be an incredible insult

uck51js9zml2yt

Its great so far. The last flyover came over my house .
Of course my camera was in the bag:(

What do these guys do if they need to go to the toilet?

FixitFelix

laugh wrote: »

Why is this so militaristic?

It seems very simplistic to celebrate rising up against an oppressor by marching our current small neutral military force passed the GPO.

Should this not be more of a celebration of all of what Ireland is today?

Exactly what i was thinking "here is these tanks and vehicles we have"

Would serve them right to talk more about our nation

alchemist33

Its easy to be cynical but feck it. I'm proud of the work our defence forces have done and I'm proud of those who fought in 1916 for our freedom.

uck51js9zml2yt

FixitFelix wrote: »

Exactly what i was thinking "here is these tanks and vehicles we have"

Would serve them right to talk more about our nation

Its a military parade. Why did you want paddy's day mk 2?

keith16

laugh wrote: »

Why is this so militaristic?

It seems very simplistic to celebrate rising up against an oppressor by marching our current small neutral military force passed the GPO.

Should this not be more of a celebration of all of what Ireland is today?

And what exactly is Ireland about OP? Seems to be the same old, tired, hate, criticism and begrudgery of all things Irish.

Like this:

Pink Fairy wrote: »

Switched it on.....it's painful to watch, ....so I'm not watching anymore, maybe someone throw up a YouTube highlights link later .

I think they have done a stellar job and there and thousands of families in there today participating in the celebrations. Fair play to them.

Dublin looks absolutely amazing.

JustTheOne

Jesus the commentary is abysmal.

Like they dragged 3 people off the streets.

dfx-

The city does look fantastic, the interesting bits are the aerial shots, about the statues or where/what was in place in 1916 or subsequently damaged.

The military ceremony/formalities not so much.

Pink Fairy

keith16 wrote: »

And what exactly is Ireland about OP? Seems to be the same old, tired, hate, criticism and begrudgery of all things Irish.

Like this:



I think they have done a stellar job and there and thousands of families in there today participating in the celebrations. Fair play to them.

Dublin looks absolutely amazing.

Where did they hide all the junkies today I wonder?

murpho999

Pink Fairy wrote: »

Where did they hide all the junkies today I wonder?

Well there's not as many as Boards.ie and The Journal posters claim.

Dyr

Jawgap wrote: »

Because it was Oglaigh na hEireann, the Citizen Army, the Hibernian Rifles etc who fought in the Rising, and the current Defence Forces are their lineal descendants......it's their well deserved moment of commemoration.

Good job their doing too......well done to them.

"lineal descendants" my arse. That claim is a ludicrous as the nutters who claim lineage to the 1919 Dáil. Royalty has lineages, a Republic does not.


I've always found having this show of tin pot militarism and having the army brass reading out the proclamation to be embarrassing.

Nice to see most of O'Connell street blocked off from joe public too..

laugh

Julien Savory Sideshow wrote: »

Its a military parade. Why did you want paddy's day mk 2?

Something less tacky but inclusive, their achievement isn't that we have a military.

OU812

Everyone knows the centenary isn't until next month, right?

Dumb celebrating it early.

murpho999

Bambi wrote: »

"lineal descendants" my arse. That claim is a ludicrous as the nutters who claim lineage to the 1919 Dáil. Royalty has lineages, a Republic does not.


I've always found having this show of tin pot militarism and having the army brass reading out the proclamation to be embarrassing.

Nice to see most of O'Connell street blocked off from joe public too..

There are thousands of people on O'Connell Street and VIPs around the GPO.

Also, it's only right that an officer read the proclamation as Pearse was also in military uniform when he read it.

How else could it be re-enacted?

Jawgap

Bambi wrote: »

"lineal descendants" my arse. That claim is a ludicrous as the nutters who claim lineage to the 1919 Dáil. Royalty has lineages, a Republic does not.


I've always found having this show of tin pot militarism and having the army brass reading out the proclamation to be embarrassing.

Nice to see most of O'Connell street blocked off from joe public too..

Ah well, at least the DF's Pipe Band is giving it socks.

Great to see the contribution of the DF to the UN placed at the heart of the march past.

thomil

The parade seems pretty good to me, gives a good impression of the Irish Defence Forces, probably could give a good whipping to the german Bundeswehr in its current condition.
In all seriousness, I don't understand all these complaints about the parade being so militaristic. We're talking about the centenary of an ARMED uprising for gods sake! Commemorating it with a major display of the armed forces is only logical, especially as many of those units don't get much publicity. Irish culture, and the culture of the many different nationalities here in Ireland were celebrated on St. Patrick's Day, so if this day is used to get the Defence Forces into the limelight, I'm all for it!

keith16

Bambi wrote: »

I've always found having this show of tin pot militarism and having the army brass reading out the proclamation to be embarrassing.

Embarrassing how? Ireland is no different to any country in the world when it comes to celebrating these types of events.

Pink Fairy

murpho999 wrote: »

There are thousands of people on O'Connell Street and VIPs around the GPO.

Also, it's only right that an officer read the proclamation as Pearse was also in military uniform when he read it.

How else could it be re-enacted?

Through the medium of mime of course!

That_Guy

Bambi wrote: »

"lineal descendants" my arse. That claim is a ludicrous as the nutters who claim lineage to the 1919 Dáil. Royalty has lineages, a Republic does not.


I've always found having this show of tin pot militarism and having the army brass reading out the proclamation to be embarrassing.

Nice to see most of O'Connell street blocked off from joe public too..

O'Connel Street was only open to those whose relatives were related to those in the 1916 rising and VIP's which is a correct and fair way of doing it imo.

murpho999

laugh wrote: »

Something less tacky but inclusive, their achievement isn't that we have a military.

Yes it is as without them we would not have one.

You do know that every country in the world is represented by their military and police forces?

WoollyRedHat

Fine day for it.

NIMAN

Needs a good Orange band to liven things up!

uck51js9zml2yt

Can't understand call those who have an issue with it being able to give a running commentary.
If you don't like it , turn it off and do something else.

Canis Lupus

Pink Fairy wrote: »

Where did they hide all the junkies today I wonder?

Busy breaking and entering out in the suburbs whilst everyone is distracted.

Pink Fairy

The prison services band marching past the GPO now, are they the lineal descenands of the people who kept the member of the 7 signatories in Kilmainham before their execution?

Jawgap

Pink Fairy wrote: »

The prison services band marching past the GPO now, are they the lineal descenands of the people who kept the 7 signatories in Kilmainham before their execution?

No, because the leaders were sentenced to death by courts martial, imprisoned and executed by the British Army......I'm sure there's a book about it, if you're interested

tomwaterford

That_Guy wrote: »

O'Connel Street was only open to those whose relatives were related to those in the 1916 rising and VIP's which is a correct and fair way of doing it imo.

I don't think In an Ireland of equals anyone should be given a VIP status



Though it's good to see the state commentating it