Giving women time off for periods

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 23-03-2016 11:50PM

You're assuming the pill is just for contraceptive use then.
It's not. When I went on the pill first it was because my period was making me pass out it was so bad. The pill stopped it being so bad. I didn't get DVT but I'm sure some women do. Strapping a condom to ourselves won't regulate intense periods

LETHAL LADY · 23-03-2016 11:51PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

fear of death due to deep vein thrombosis was, I said using a condom solved that one. As I was not aware on any major medical issues with them.

DVT is not prevented by a condom

darkpagandeath · 23-03-2016 11:52PM

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

DVT is not prevented by a condom

It does in relation to taking the pill for contraceptive purposes if the pill caused DVT....

mud · 23-03-2016 11:52PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

No I did not, read again.

Don't worry. *I* never post without reading the whole thread. You're wrong. So what?

Speedwell · 23-03-2016 11:52PM

"What about the menz?" Oh, please. When men have periods and get pregnant (other than the legitimate case of transgender men, who also have to deal with female reproductive issues), then we can talk about "what about the menz". Honestly, you can have the transcendent experience of making a painful bloody mess in your crotch every month if you want the "privilege" of getting a day off to take care of it. You're welcome to it. Please.

Ice Maiden · 23-03-2016 11:53PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Tiresome using 1 in a million events to try paint what I said as incorrect.

You said a condom would solve the problem caused by the pill, as if people were referring to the pill just in terms of being a contraceptive - when they were referring to the pill in terms of helping relieve menstrual pain, so obviously a condom would not solve this.

You should stop pretending you do not know what people mean.

darkpagandeath · 23-03-2016 11:53PM

mud wrote: »

Don't worry. *I* never post without reading the whole thread. You're wrong. So what?

I was only wrong on it being for contraception.

Peregrine · 23-03-2016 11:54PM

Ugh. Hold on.

Peregrine · 24-03-2016 12:01AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

No I did not, read again.

Someone takes the pill to regulate their period and they were paranoid about DVT. You told them to use a condom.

You were wrong, darkpagandeath. Just move on.

Now, drop this off-topic argument and get back on topic.

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For ever odd · 24-03-2016 12:22AM

I once worked with a Maori chap, who told me that their old tribal custom was...the wives had to go to the woman's Hut for 3/5 days until her period was over and then she would be allowed back in the family Hut.

After telling me this, I thought to myself.... Ah Man, if Carlsberg did periods, They'd probably be the best.....

the_syco · 24-03-2016 12:46AM

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

Wouldn't this just make it harder for smaller business, thus they'll try not to hire women

This. If it's a small mom & pop business that is looking to take on an extra body, they won't want to have to hire another body intermittently to take over the extra bodies duties if the extra body regularly doesn't show up for work. If it were a man calling in sick the same day every month, he'd be brought up on it, and if he continued to do so, would be sacked, as small businesses can't be paying someone that doesn't turn up.

However, if you want to take unpaid leave, go ahead. No job that I've worked in has ever paid for someone not working, so I don't see why this should be paid for.

One way would be to give the women an unpaid day off per month. Any more than a day, they'll need a doctor's note saying that they need longer than a day, and they can have whatever amount of days off per month. It's naive to think that it wouldn't go against them if they go for a promotion if they take multiple days off a month, so not everyone will use the leave, even if they wanted to take the day off.

24-03-2016 12:49AM

the_syco wrote: »

This. If it's a small mom & pop business that is looking to take on an extra body, they won't want to have to hire another body intermittently to take over the extra bodies duties if the extra body regularly doesn't show up for work. If it were a man calling in sick the same day every month, he'd be brought up on it, and if he continued to do so, would be sacked, as small businesses can't be paying someone that doesn't turn up.

However, if you want to take unpaid leave, go ahead. No job that I've worked in has ever paid for someone not working, so I don't see why this should be paid for.

One way would be to give the women an unpaid day off per month. Any more than a day, they'll need a doctor's note saying that they need longer than a day, and they can have whatever amount of days off per month. It's naive to think that it wouldn't go against them if they go for a promotion if they take multiple days off a month, so not everyone will use the leave, even if they wanted to take the day off.

What's being proposed is that women can take the time off, if needed, and make up the hours later. Flexi time around the event, so to speak.

No one is getting paid for doing nothing. Oh, and it generally lasts more than 24 hours for people who get it bad. It's a health issue, not a laziness one.

darkpagandeath · 24-03-2016 12:54AM

Candie wrote: »

What's being proposed is that women can take the time off, if needed, and make up the hours later. Flexi time around the event, so to speak.

No one is getting paid for doing nothing. Oh, and it generally lasts more than 24 hours for people who get it bad. It's a health issue, not a laziness one.

Coexist, a community interest company in Bristol, is the first company in the UK to introduce “paid period leave.” Seventeen of their 24 staff members are female and from now on they will be granted paid time off work whenever they’re cramping.

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Stheno · 24-03-2016 12:55AM

HamsterFace wrote: »

I probably didn't express myself too well because that's exactly what I didn't mean. Or maybe your comprehension skills aren't too great.

What I meant was, we're all adults in the workplace and we know that women have periods which aren't shameful or disgusting but are natural and inevitable.

And as such we can recognise that at times of the month a woman might need to take a rest or go home as they are physically sick. And they should be able to say so and their integrity respected.

It's not twenty years since I worked with a manager who is still working who got sick of the amount of sick leave caused by period pain. He once infamously said that "The next woman to come in here after period pain is hopping up on my desk for an internal"

I kid you not.

XR3i · 24-03-2016 12:58AM

when my wife has her "special time" i make her a nice pot of marijuana tea

Speedwell · 24-03-2016 01:01AM

Stheno wrote: »

It's not twenty years since I worked with a manager who is still working who got sick of the amount of sick leave caused by period pain. He once infamously said that "The next woman to come in here after period pain is hopping up on my desk for an internal"

I kid you not.

Wow, I sure hope you worked in a gyno office.

Stheno · 24-03-2016 01:04AM

Speedwell wrote: »

Wow, I sure hope you worked in a gyno office.

Callcentre, I was a female team lead, he was a senior manager!

hearmehearye · 24-03-2016 01:13AM

I'd be very open to the idea of employers allowing women to make up the hours within the week.

(i say this as I'm cuddled in the faetal position, cramping severely, vomiting, fever and shaking )

I got the Mirena and thankfully I don't have that many periods, three or four a year, but when I do have them... ðŸ˜¡

Will see how I feel in the morning and I might just have to call in sick to work.

Ice Maiden · 24-03-2016 01:16AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

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Yes, similar to sick leave. Not the same as just being on the doss, as you know, which is something a person can control. Feeling unwell isn't.

Stheno · 24-03-2016 01:18AM

Ice Maiden wrote: »

Yes, similar to sick leave. Not the same as just being on the doss, as you know.

I don't get that it should be universal though? I'd see it as something quite intrusive as well.

Ice Maiden · 24-03-2016 01:19AM

Stheno wrote: »

I don't get that it should be universal though? I'd see it as something quite intrusive as well.

I don't either but dpd tends to be extremely dishonest and misrepresent things a lot, as they did with that post.

darkpagandeath · 24-03-2016 01:20AM

Ice Maiden wrote: »

Yes, similar to sick leave. Not the same as just being on the doss, as you know, which is something a person can control. Feeling unwell isn't.

Oh, We have paid sick leave here under the law ? How do you mean like sick leave exactly ?

24-03-2016 01:23AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Oh, We have paid sick leave here under the law ? How do you mean like sick leave exactly ?

If you had a chronic illness that called for an occasional day off, something you simply couldn't help and shouldn't be penalised for, you'd get an extra day sick leave....

WHEN and IF you needed it.

Universal holliers for team vag is not a thing. Leave for people too unwell to work is.

XR3i · 24-03-2016 01:24AM

women are like the weather,

you need to see the storm coming and batton down the hatches

inforfun · 24-03-2016 10:04AM

In 2 minds on this.

Had a gf once who suffered so badly, that I deserved the week off afterwards. So i know it can be very, very bad.

Then again, i remember when i was in school, girls who had their period could skip PE.
I learned then that some girls have their period 3x a month.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 24-03-2016 10:33AM

inforfun wrote: »

In 2 minds on this.

Had a gf once who suffered so badly, that I deserved the week off afterwards. So i know it can be very, very bad.

Then again, i remember when i was in school, girls who had their period could skip PE.
I learned then that some girls have their period 3x a month.

But women who are going to abuse it, probably already do abuse it, there's probably nothing that would make an older male manager recoil in horror as somebody going in and telling him her uterus is spitting itself out in chunks.
I mean this isn't going to make anyone's periods worse, it's just acknowledging that maybe sometimes some women do need to take a sick day in regards to something they have no control over going on in their body.

inforfun · 24-03-2016 10:37AM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

But women who are going to abuse it, probably already do abuse it, there's probably nothing that would make an older male manager recoil in horror as somebody going in and telling him her uterus is spitting itself out in chunks.
I mean this isn't going to make anyone's periods worse, it's just acknowledging that maybe sometimes some women do need to take a sick day in regards to something they have no control over going on in their body.

I know.
Sick leave is abused left, right and centre by every gender.

Lu Tze · 24-03-2016 10:54AM

Candie wrote: »

If you had a chronic illness that called for an occasional day off, something you simply couldn't help and shouldn't be penalised for, you'd get an extra day sick leave....

WHEN and IF you needed it.

Universal holliers for team vag is not a thing. Leave for people too unwell to work is.

Really, I haven't come across a policy like this anywhere I have worked. There is normally a set amount of sick leave per year. I have an ongoing condition, where I occasionally get so run down I can't work, in addition to hospital appointments etc. There is no "exceptional" sick leave outside of normal sick leave for these occasions, I wouldn't expect it, I take unpaid leave for this.

jungleman · 24-03-2016 11:01AM

Bit late to the discussion, but it really wouldn't bother me if a woman needed time off for her periods.

As a guy, period pain/cramps/bleeding etc is something I have absolutely no real knowledge of. I've never been in the position of getting a bad period. So if a woman needs a couple of days off every month to help deal with it, it's no skin off my nose.

If it was a boss, co-worker, person on my team etc, I'd rather she was at least in the comfort of her own home rather than be compelled to work through what must be pretty bad pain.

Christy42 · 24-03-2016 11:10AM

One thing I need explained. Why is this different to being unwell and taking sick days?

Why do we need women to announce to everyone that they are taking their special period days? Just tell the office they are out sick and treat it like you would the flu. The fact that it is a bit more regular than the flu should make no odds in my mind. Of course I haven't been through this and tested the sick leave system in this regard so I am posting this looking for a correction.

Giving women time off for periods

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