KATIE HOPKINS gets it right

donvito99 wrote: »

Yeah, we're gonna build a wall and have the IS state pay for it.


And then bomb their families. And make them pay for it.

IS stands for Islamic State so saying Islamic State State is redundant.

In any case you might have missed my point on apologism but no matter kudos, you've managed to get a gay, pro-EU, Clinton supporting, Labour party voting citizen to sympathise more with Katie Hopkins than yourself - kudos.

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

In any case you might have missed my point on apologism but no matter kudos, you've managed to get a gay, pro-EU, Clinton supporting, Labour party voting citizen to sympathise more with Katie Hopkins than yourself - kudos.

Good to see that the terrorists can't touch narcissism eh?

Well Clinton and the UK labour party are all for silly, violent and costly escapades in the middle east, and I'm not sure what being gay has to do with any of this really, but I'm guessing there's an element of "hey, look at me, I'm different, treat me differently" going on in your post. And pro-EU? Bravo, so am I? You no Katie Hopkins is ardently against it? So you can add Stockholm syndrome to your list. Maybe put it as your boards signature.

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Merkel tells us we have to take a certain amount in and the Irish government jumps and says yes, we'll take more without the consent of Irish citizens. Schengen or no Schengen.

We elected a government to do that for us. That's how democracy works. We don't have referenda at every diplomatic juncture. That's what the loolahs at DDI want.

Do I need to point out to you that Ireland is also an island, but unlike Lesbos. Greece has taken in hundreds of thousands of migrants. You'll let them deal with it I suppose, or would you prefer that we drown them?

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Well pal, you better just hope that it doesn't happen here. You seem to have the open-door policy thinking of an uninformed individual thinking it is never going to happen little Ireland. IS don't care what western country they hit, only that they accomplish their goal in hitting as many as possible, but you seem to think we are untouchable for some reason ?.

There is fear and anger, because we are a target as well. You do not seem to understand this basic scenario do you.

The door is shut, and there's millions of refugees who need housing. We're a part of the EU, we'll put our share up.

What do you propose, now that we are no longer accepting refugees into the EU? How would you send them all back, which I imagine is your line of uninformed thinking. How does any free, civil society deal with people who secrete explosives on their person and blow themselves up inside crowded transport hubs that are impossible to secure.

And if you believe that Ireland is threatened by IS as much as France, Belgium, Germany or the UK, then you've got a str8 up case of hysteria. Although, I admire your frightened patriotism.

So, tell me again how Ireland - an island, outside of Schengen - with a tiny muslim community already under the monitorings of the NSU/SDU is a competent and imminent threat? In your imagination, perhaps. In the real world? Not so much, buddy.

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

. My point is that the attitudes you typify of smugness, arrogance, bellicosity, towards political opponents, is one of the reasons why these groups are doing so well.

It's called debating. If you consider it smug or arrogant then I suggest you shout at a wall for a bit, because you won't get a counter argument from it. The bloodlust that is being demanded by the people who enjoy reading Katie Hopkins deserves to be attacked with words.

donvito99 wrote: »

The door is shut, and there's millions of refugees who need housing. We're a part of the EU, we'll put our share up.

What do you propose, now that we are no longer accepting refugees into the EU? How would you send them all back, which I imagine is your line of uninformed thinking. How does any free, civil society deal with people who secrete explosives on their person and blow themselves up inside crowded transport hubs that are impossible to secure.

And if you believe that Ireland is threatened by IS as much as France, Belgium, Germany or the UK, then you've got a str8 up case of hysteria. Although, I admire your frightened patriotism.

So, tell me again how Ireland - an island, outside of Schengen - with a tiny muslim community already under the monitorings of the NSU/SDU is a competent and imminent threat? In your imagination, perhaps. In the real world? Not so much, buddy.

I'm sorry, perhaps I've missed something but Poland aside, I don't believe the EU has shut the door on any refugee influx, even the most recent deal with Turkey is by no means a closed door and that is assuming it is 100% effective, which of course remains to be seen.

Now as for what we should do, then yes first and foremost shut the door, adopt the Australian policy to people entering their country illegally under the guise of claiming asylum. More importantly, taking this as an EU issue, perhaps we could start the process of removing some of the 600,000 odd migrants who by the admission of EU Commissioner Frans Timmermans, should not be there as they do not qualify.

In the medium to long term, a serious question looms in Europe surrounding the Muslim community. We need to deal with a number of issues and we can start by putting an end to the unwillingness of wider society to enforce laws upon that community as in the case of the various sex abuse scandals in the North of England.

We need to deal with the permissive attitude which prevails on the treatment of Mosques and speakers; the Imam of Clonskeagh Mosque Mr. Halwa, is a perfect example of this; a man with connections to the Muslim Brotherhood and the litany of backwards regressive views he espouses is a prime example of why such illiberal views are allowed to fester within the Muslim community. We also need to take a more restrictive view on the funding of Mosques by donors and countries which espouse these regressive views. By contrast, it wouldn't hurt to offer monetary support to more progressive and peaceable figures like Shaykh al-Qadri.

Lastly (though I should perhaps have put this first) we could do with some more intellectual honesty on the topic, something that is very uneven even here on boards. We need to do away with the tropes of 'nothing to do with Islam' and the idea that these terrorists are just violent nobodies who blow people up because they're just bad people like anybody else might be. To be clear, we are dealing with a very specific problem, namely Islamist Extremism; the belief that a single form of Sunni Islam should propagate throughout a worldwide Caliphate, the belief that a single version of religious law should be the law of the land and the belief that this version of a faith and law should be enforced on non-believers. This specifically is what needs to be opposed and what we could do without is conflating it with racism or the far-right.


But that's probably just crazy we should just sing 'Imagine' a few times and that will sort everything out.

maryishere wrote: »

Muslims make up 26 per cent of metropolitan Brussels, and increasing. The self-styled capital of Europe is now one of the most Islamic cities in Europe. There are some towns in England now more than 50% muslim. The Islamifation of Europe is well underway.

ISIS are winning the battle. Katie is right: if we keep our heads in the sand, they will win the war for control of Europe, too. Just sayin'.

Eh, you know not all Muslims are ISIS right? And the vast majority of them don't support them in the slightest bit. Because from your post it sounds like you're implying that every Muslim is trying to take over Europe.

speedboatchase wrote: »

Fairly sure it could.

Genocide, Crusades and mass Paedepholia.
Seems Christians and Muslims have lots in common.

Seeing as it was the UK around 100 years ago which had a 'who can draw the straightest line' contest to create borders and countries across the Middle East, perhaps they have to be part of the solution.

I do love the thought of Katie trying to saw through the chain and floating off, before realising aghast that Britain has remained multi-cultural.