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KATIE HOPKINS gets it right

TheLastMohican

How do the Katie haters feel about this? Personally, I can see the logic in pulling up the drawbridge. But is it too radical to advocate this on boards.pc?

C'mon politicians, grow some!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3506043/KATIE-HOPKINS-hell-solidarity-Europe-willing-accept-Muslim-terror-simply-new-normal-t-afford-stay-it.html

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Irish Praetorian

donvito99 wrote: »

Yeah, we're gonna build a wall and have the IS state pay for it.

And then bomb their families. And make them pay for it.

IS stands for Islamic State so saying Islamic State State is redundant.

In any case you might have missed my point on apologism but no matter kudos, you've managed to get a gay, pro-EU, Clinton supporting, Labour party voting citizen to sympathise more with Katie Hopkins than yourself - kudos.

donvito99

Bongalongherb wrote: »

So now today we have many more armed gardai on the way to patrol Dublin airport. In 2 weeks time these armed gardai will leave again when it all quietens down again, and then another suicide bomber/bombers will attack somewhere close again or even here as it's very likely to happen considering all of Europe is at risk.

But we continue to keep letting them all in.

What does it matter if somewhere close to Dublin Airport is bombed?

And what are a handful of uniformed and armed guards to do with thousands milling about the departures hall if we are talking about a Brussels style suicide bombing attack without warning?

Calls to Joe Duffy today said it all. People don't know what they're talking about, and everyone is falling over themselves with fear and anger and playing into the hands of some ragheads in Raqqa.

donvito99

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

In any case you might have missed my point on apologism but no matter kudos, you've managed to get a gay, pro-EU, Clinton supporting, Labour party voting citizen to sympathise more with Katie Hopkins than yourself - kudos.

Good to see that the terrorists can't touch narcissism eh?

Well Clinton and the UK labour party are all for silly, violent and costly escapades in the middle east, and I'm not sure what being gay has to do with any of this really, but I'm guessing there's an element of "hey, look at me, I'm different, treat me differently" going on in your post. And pro-EU? Bravo, so am I? You no Katie Hopkins is ardently against it? So you can add Stockholm syndrome to your list. Maybe put it as your boards signature.

Bongalongherb

donvito99 wrote: »

What does it matter if somewhere close to Dublin Airport is bombed?

And what are a handful of uniformed and armed guards to do with thousands milling about the departures hall if we are talking about a Brussels style suicide bombing attack without warning?

Calls to Joe Duffy today said it all. People don't know what they're talking about, and everyone is falling over themselves with fear and anger and playing into the hands of some ragheads in Raqqa.

Well pal, you better just hope that it doesn't happen here. You seem to have the open-door policy thinking of an uninformed individual thinking it is never going to happen little Ireland. IS don't care what western country they hit, only that they accomplish their goal in hitting as many as possible, but you seem to think we are untouchable for some reason ?.

There is fear and anger, because we are a target as well. You do not seem to understand this basic scenario do you.

donvito99

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Merkel tells us we have to take a certain amount in and the Irish government jumps and says yes, we'll take more without the consent of Irish citizens. Schengen or no Schengen.

We elected a government to do that for us. That's how democracy works. We don't have referenda at every diplomatic juncture. That's what the loolahs at DDI want.

Do I need to point out to you that Ireland is also an island, but unlike Lesbos. Greece has taken in hundreds of thousands of migrants. You'll let them deal with it I suppose, or would you prefer that we drown them?

eeguy

Bongalongherb wrote: »

But we continue to keep letting them all in.

Do you mean the individuals suspected of ISIS involvement?
They're already here. Paris attacks done by the French, Brussels attacks by the Belgians and London attacks done by the English.

I don't see how banning a load of Syrians will stop the attacks.
You may as well ban people from Belfast for all the bombs made and detonated up there.

The Backwards Man

There's nothing like telling people what they want to hear to get them to agree with what you're saying.

Irish Praetorian

donvito99 wrote: »

Good to see that the terrorists can't touch narcissism eh?

Well Clinton and the UK labour party are all for silly, violent and costly escapades in the middle east, and I'm not sure what being gay has to do with any of this really, but I'm guessing there's an element of "hey, look at me, I'm different, treat me differently" going on in your post. And pro-EU? Bravo, so am I? You no Katie Hopkins is ardently against it? So you can add Stockholm syndrome to your list. Maybe put it as your boards signature.

Actually it's more an element of taking people who say 'we will throw you from a tall building' as a serious threat, rather than an abstract demonstration of political conservatism. My point is that the attitudes you typify of smugness, arrogance, bellicosity, towards political opponents, is one of the reasons why these groups are doing so well. Don't get me wrong, it's not something I can hold against a 17 year old, but when you can find these kinds of attitudes in higher politics, you know you have a problem.

donvito99

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Well pal, you better just hope that it doesn't happen here. You seem to have the open-door policy thinking of an uninformed individual thinking it is never going to happen little Ireland. IS don't care what western country they hit, only that they accomplish their goal in hitting as many as possible, but you seem to think we are untouchable for some reason ?.

There is fear and anger, because we are a target as well. You do not seem to understand this basic scenario do you.

The door is shut, and there's millions of refugees who need housing. We're a part of the EU, we'll put our share up.

What do you propose, now that we are no longer accepting refugees into the EU? How would you send them all back, which I imagine is your line of uninformed thinking. How does any free, civil society deal with people who secrete explosives on their person and blow themselves up inside crowded transport hubs that are impossible to secure.

And if you believe that Ireland is threatened by IS as much as France, Belgium, Germany or the UK, then you've got a str8 up case of hysteria. Although, I admire your frightened patriotism.

So, tell me again how Ireland - an island, outside of Schengen - with a tiny muslim community already under the monitorings of the NSU/SDU is a competent and imminent threat? In your imagination, perhaps. In the real world? Not so much, buddy.

Cathy.C

Even a stopped clock..

donvito99

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

. My point is that the attitudes you typify of smugness, arrogance, bellicosity, towards political opponents, is one of the reasons why these groups are doing so well.

It's called debating. If you consider it smug or arrogant then I suggest you shout at a wall for a bit, because you won't get a counter argument from it. The bloodlust that is being demanded by the people who enjoy reading Katie Hopkins deserves to be attacked with words.

purplehays

As the world gets more messed up. Katie Hopkins is slowly starting make more semse

johnnyskeleton

TheLastMohican wrote: »

Yes Tom. But they would be very foolish not to give them the father and mother of a vetting. NB to jihadists, if your sensibilities are tender ......... do not read the above

What part of the TEFU prevents the UK from vetting migrants? It doesnt impact non EU citizen families, and they are entitled to refuse to allow free moment to any citizen or family member for reasons of public security.

Leaving the EU will not magically make the UK immune from terrorists.

There is a legitimate economic argument as to whether EU wide free movement of workers is good or bad. There are also legitimate concerns about the migrant crisis special measures which was agreed amongst the member states. None of which in any way suggests Brexit will reduce the risk of a terrorist attack in the UK.

Richard Hillman

The Fascist Left are trying to polarize any debate to be had. Even before most of the refugees arrived into Europe, the fascist left were abusing anybody that questioned it and created a polarized situation before it begun.

They are doing more harm than good. Extremists from all sides need to go away and let the adults talk about how we are going to go on in the future.

If you are going to restrict discussion, it will lead to greater and harboured resentment.

It has gotten to a stage where you are not allowed to be angry or sad at what has been going on. If somebody dies in Belgium, you are not allowed to be upset about it unless you list off a bunch of other atrocities.

It is not ISIS causing the polarization, it is not European Right Wing groups causing the polarization, it is not Muslims causing the polarization, it is the far left that are creating social upheval. This is what they want.

Katie Hopkins is giving a voice to people who have none or are living in fear of speaking out

Irish Praetorian

donvito99 wrote: »

The door is shut, and there's millions of refugees who need housing. We're a part of the EU, we'll put our share up.

What do you propose, now that we are no longer accepting refugees into the EU? How would you send them all back, which I imagine is your line of uninformed thinking. How does any free, civil society deal with people who secrete explosives on their person and blow themselves up inside crowded transport hubs that are impossible to secure.

And if you believe that Ireland is threatened by IS as much as France, Belgium, Germany or the UK, then you've got a str8 up case of hysteria. Although, I admire your frightened patriotism.

So, tell me again how Ireland - an island, outside of Schengen - with a tiny muslim community already under the monitorings of the NSU/SDU is a competent and imminent threat? In your imagination, perhaps. In the real world? Not so much, buddy.

I'm sorry, perhaps I've missed something but Poland aside, I don't believe the EU has shut the door on any refugee influx, even the most recent deal with Turkey is by no means a closed door and that is assuming it is 100% effective, which of course remains to be seen.

Now as for what we should do, then yes first and foremost shut the door, adopt the Australian policy to people entering their country illegally under the guise of claiming asylum. More importantly, taking this as an EU issue, perhaps we could start the process of removing some of the 600,000 odd migrants who by the admission of EU Commissioner Frans Timmermans, should not be there as they do not qualify.

In the medium to long term, a serious question looms in Europe surrounding the Muslim community. We need to deal with a number of issues and we can start by putting an end to the unwillingness of wider society to enforce laws upon that community as in the case of the various sex abuse scandals in the North of England.

We need to deal with the permissive attitude which prevails on the treatment of Mosques and speakers; the Imam of Clonskeagh Mosque Mr. Halwa, is a perfect example of this; a man with connections to the Muslim Brotherhood and the litany of backwards regressive views he espouses is a prime example of why such illiberal views are allowed to fester within the Muslim community. We also need to take a more restrictive view on the funding of Mosques by donors and countries which espouse these regressive views. By contrast, it wouldn't hurt to offer monetary support to more progressive and peaceable figures like Shaykh al-Qadri.

Lastly (though I should perhaps have put this first) we could do with some more intellectual honesty on the topic, something that is very uneven even here on boards. We need to do away with the tropes of 'nothing to do with Islam' and the idea that these terrorists are just violent nobodies who blow people up because they're just bad people like anybody else might be. To be clear, we are dealing with a very specific problem, namely Islamist Extremism; the belief that a single form of Sunni Islam should propagate throughout a worldwide Caliphate, the belief that a single version of religious law should be the law of the land and the belief that this version of a faith and law should be enforced on non-believers. This specifically is what needs to be opposed and what we could do without is conflating it with racism or the far-right.

But that's probably just crazy we should just sing 'Imagine' a few times and that will sort everything out.

The Randy Riverbeast

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The Fascist Left are trying to polarize any debate to be had. Even before most of the refugees arrived into Europe, the fascist left were abusing anybody that questioned it and created a polarized situation before it begun.

They are doing more harm than good. Extremists from all sides need to go away and let the adults talk about how we are going to go on in the future.

If you are going to restrict discussion, it will lead to greater and harboured resentment.

It has gotten to a stage where you are not allowed to be angry or sad at what has been going on. If somebody dies in Belgium, you are not allowed to be upset about it unless you list off a bunch of other atrocities.

It is not ISIS causing the polarization, it is not European Right Wing groups causing the polarization, it is not Muslims causing the polarization, it is the far left that are creating social upheval. This is what they want.

Katie Hopkins is giving a voice to people who have none or are living in fear of speaking out

If terrorists weren't bombing people none of this would be mentioned. People need to stop finding excuses for people who are violent and kill others.

maryishere

Muslims make up 26 per cent of metropolitan Brussels, and increasing. The self-styled capital of Europe is now one of the most Islamic cities in Europe. There are some towns in England now more than 50% muslim. Census figures from a few years ago in the UK show almost a tenth of babies and toddlers in England and Wales are Muslim – nearly twice the proportion in the general population there.

The Islamifation of Europe is well underway.

ISIS are winning the battle. Katie is right: if we keep our heads in the sand, they will win the war for control of Europe, too. Just sayin'.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

TheLastMohican wrote: »

Any chance of intelligent dialogue?

Hold on a second... you linked to the daily mail and then asked for intelligent dialogue?

Can somebody tell me when we normalized horror (terror)?

If people think that closing the borders is somehow going to stop these attacks, well, they are wrong.

Lights On

maryishere wrote: »

Muslims make up 26 per cent of metropolitan Brussels, and increasing. The self-styled capital of Europe is now one of the most Islamic cities in Europe. There are some towns in England now more than 50% muslim. The Islamifation of Europe is well underway.

ISIS are winning the battle. Katie is right: if we keep our heads in the sand, they will win the war for control of Europe, too. Just sayin'.

Eh, you know not all Muslims are ISIS right? And the vast majority of them don't support them in the slightest bit. Because from your post it sounds like you're implying that every Muslim is trying to take over Europe.

maryishere

Salma Scarce Registry wrote: »

If people think that closing the borders is somehow going to stop these attacks, well, they are wrong.

Nobody can say that "closing the borders is somehow going to stop these attacks", but letting in millions of further Muslims in to Europe is not going to help anyone. There are plenty of countries in the middle east who could take these people but who are not. And why do they always want to go to non-muslim countries if they want to spread the Muslim way of life and if life in Muslim countries is so bad? And why do they have such big families?

maryishere

Lights On wrote: »

Eh, you know not all Muslims are ISIS right?

Correct, I never said they are.

Would you like to live in a European city like Brussels with 26% of the population Muslim, which is forecast to be 40% in the not too distant future?
What do you hope Europe to be like in a few generations?

topmanamillion

maryishere wrote: »

Correct, I never said they are.

Would you like to live in a European city like Brussels with 26% of the population Muslim, which is forecast to be 40% in the not too distant future?
What do you hope Europe to be like in a few generations?

Can't be any worse then all those Christian pricks.

weemcd

Why has Katie Hopkins not been attacked on the street yet?

speedboatchase

topmanamillion wrote: »

Can't be any worse then all those Christian pricks.

Fairly sure it could.

topmanamillion

speedboatchase wrote: »

Fairly sure it could.

Genocide, Crusades and mass Paedepholia.
Seems Christians and Muslims have lots in common.

maryishere

And looking at the muslim countries of the world and the non-muslims countries of the world, which would you rather live in?

Do you prefer Brussels as it was a generation or 2 ago, as it is now (26% muslim) or as it will be when it has a muslim majority?

thattequilagirl

maryishere wrote: »

And looking at the muslim countries of the world and the non-muslims countries of the world, which would you rather live in?

Do you prefer Brussels as it was a generation or 2 ago, as it is now (26% muslim) or as it will be when it has a muslim majority?

I like Brussels how it is just now. I have no problem with Muslim people, in fact I think they are pretty great. I don't see a point in the foreseeable future where Brussels will have a Muslim majority, so that's irrelevant.

maryishere

thattequilagirl wrote: »

I don't see a point in the foreseeable future where Brussels will have a Muslim majority

20 or 30 years ago did you foresee a point where Brussels would have 26% of its population Muslim in 2016? Or would you have foreseen the jews being hounded out of Europe?

rsh118

Seeing as it was the UK around 100 years ago which had a 'who can draw the straightest line' contest to create borders and countries across the Middle East, perhaps they have to be part of the solution.

I do love the thought of Katie trying to saw through the chain and floating off, before realising aghast that Britain has remained multi-cultural.

maryishere

rsh118 wrote: »

Seeing as it was the UK around 100 years ago which had a 'who can draw the straightest line' contest to create borders and countries across the Middle East

along with beloved Belgium, Italy, Spain, France etc who all had foreign colonies.

However nobody can change the events of 100 / 200 years ago. Britain is and has been much more tolerant of minorities than most countries in the middle east is now. A survey showed most muslims want the Islamification of Europe. Would you be happy for your grandkids, or great-grankids, to live in such a place?

Are you aware that the huge country of Saudi Arabia does not allow one Christian church to be built?