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KATIE HOPKINS gets it right

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  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,351 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    I refuse to accept that Katie Hopkins can be right about anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,723 ✭✭✭MightyMandarin


    Note to self: Do not use Katie Hopkins to strengthen my argument. Ever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭LincolnsBeard


    Zaph wrote: »
    I refuse to accept that Katie Hopkins can be right about anything.
    Note to self: Do not use Katie Hopkins to strengthen my argument. Ever.

    Katie Hopkins proves one thing to me: It is extremely easy to wind people up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭me_irl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭TheLastMohican


    Any chance of intelligent dialogue?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Note to self: Do not use Katie Hopkins
    Daily Mail to strengthen my argument. Ever.


    FYP


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,351 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    Any chance of intelligent dialogue?

    Well to be fair you started the silliness.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 146 ✭✭VickieVexed1


    In before the lock. Yes, she is right!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭TheLastMohican


    Zaph wrote: »
    I refuse to accept that Katie Hopkins can be right about anything.
    Note to self: Do not use Katie Hopkins to strengthen my argument. Ever.
    Katie Hopkins proves one thing to me: It is extremely easy to wind people up.
    me_irl wrote: »



    Did any of you read the article?


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,351 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    Did any of you read the article?

    Yes I did, and if she believes that the UK leaving the EU will make them immune from terrorist threats then she's even more deluded than I thought.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭me_irl


    Did any of you read the article?

    Did you watch the video? :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭TheLastMohican


    Zaph wrote: »
    Yes I did, and if she believes that the UK leaving the EU will make them immune from terrorist threats then she's even more deluded than I thought.
    Having control of their borders will mean a certain amount of discretion as to who enters. Non?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Britain should be one of the countries taking in most of the refugees from the Middle East seeing as they played a huge part in destabilising the region.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭TheLastMohican


    me_irl wrote: »
    Did you watch the video? :pac:

    Yes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭TheLastMohican


    Britain should be one of the countries taking in most of the refugees from the Middle East seeing as they played a huge part in destabilising the region.

    Yes Tom. But they would be very foolish not to give them the father and mother of a vetting. NB to jihadists, if your sensibilities are tender ......... do not read the above :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Having control of their borders will mean a certain amount of discretion as to who enters. Non?

    The closing of borders doesn't stop some unemployed young muslims in Birmingham from googling fertiliser and subsequently claiming to have been radicalised over the internet as an Islamic State franchise.

    7/7 and the murder of Lee Rigby were perpetrated by UK citizens, born and bred who happened to be muslims. That is the most pertinent threat. The appearance of two men in court in London today(one a Saudi) who bought firearms from London gangs in the hope of targeting soldiers or policemen in London goes to show the type of plot that is more easily carried out in the UK - a fortress relative to France and the Benelux in that it is an island - as opposed to having the lads trek up to Calais via Turkey and Lesbos.

    Katie Hopkins is a reactionary little bollocks. It is easy to do the blunt, headstrong things in the wake of the bombs in Brussels. Thankfully, governments are made up of cold, bumbling diplomats who ultimately ensure that countries behave deliberately with thoughtful, measured responses and retaliations. That is a level of sophistication the Islamic State - which is in reality an idea, the territory held by them in the middle east is merely a shop front - can never hope or desire to possess.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Britain should be one of the countries taking in most of the refugees from the Middle East seeing as they played a huge part in destabilising the region.

    They started the Syrian civil war ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Britain should be one of the countries taking in most of the refugees from the Middle East seeing as they played a huge part in destabilising the region.
    They started the Syrian civil war ?

    Britain (and us, and the rest of the EU) should be taking refugees because they're here, in Greece, and they're not going anywhere. That is the reality. That and the fact that our societies are one of the few compassionate ones left anywhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭TheLastMohican


    donvito99 wrote: »
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    Thankfully, governments are made up of cold, bumbling diplomats who ultimately ensure that countries behave deliberately with thoughtful, measured responses and retaliations. That is a level of sophistication the Islamic State - which is in reality an idea, the territory held by them in the middle east is merely a shop front - can never hope or desire to possess.

    I presume you're talking about the leverage that got the Third Reich to it's dizzy heights?

    If the allies had acted earlier - and they had plenty of time to mull over things - Hitler would not have caused the carnage that cowardly pussyfooting led to.
    Perhaps you, and your ilk, think this is totally wrong thinking?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭The Randy Riverbeast


    Any chance of intelligent dialogue?

    Probably need to start with something a bit better than Katie Hopkins daily mail article. She has been wrong the other 99 times and has proven to be an idiot, now though she is suddenly right?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Bongalongherb


    Katie Hopkins proves one thing to me: It is extremely easy to wind people up.

    She is the only one making sense of this abomination of 'love migrants till they blow you up scenario'. Governments of the EU and ours cannot be more brain-dead in regards to the seriousness of allowing all migrants into a state.

    She is dead right in what she said imo.

    Time to get out of the other abomination called the EU.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    I presume you're talking about the leverage that got the Third Reich to it's dizzy heights?

    If the allies had acted earlier - and they had plenty of time to mull over things - Hitler would not have caused the carnage that cowardly pussyfooting led to.
    Perhaps you, and your ilk, think this is totally wrong thinking?

    I honestly have no idea of the point you're trying to make. I imagine you're inadvertently replied to me when you wanted someone else, or you're posting in the wrong thread.

    The one I'm trying to make is that what Katie Hopkins is suggesting is reactionary, useless in combating the real threat of domestic terrorism and playing into the IS' hands.

    When Katie comes out with next weeks article calling for the internment of muslims in the UK, will you dance along accordingly? Or just reply hitler something something ....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭TheLastMohican


    donvito99 wrote: »
    I honestly have no idea of the point you're trying to make.

    The one I'm trying to make is that what Katie Hopkins is suggesting is reactionary, useless in combating the real threat of domestic terrorism and playing into the IS' hands.

    When Katie comes out with next weeks article calling for the internment of muslims in the UK, will you dance along accordingly? Or just reply hitler something something ....

    It's fairly simple English. What don't you understand? Are you discussing this thread or something that you think will occur in the future?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99



    Time to get out of the other abomination called the EU.

    We're not in Schengen but we'll be fecked if we let the facts get in the way of a good bit of Brussels bashing...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Irish Praetorian


    Every time one of these attacks happens, every time the wave of apologism follows, every time the status quo trundles on, I look at people like Katie Hopkins or Donald Trump with just a little less contempt, a little less horror, a contempt and horror that I instead feel for many of those supposedly august individuals who presently lead or would purport to lead our countries. I only hope that some change comes before enough of these attacks happen to make me not care so long as there are results.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    It's fairly simple English. What don't you understand? Are you discussing this thread or something that you think will occur in the future?

    I have literally no idea what your above post means. This one. In the context of what I said. What is your point?
    I presume you're talking about the leverage that got the Third Reich to it's dizzy heights?

    If the allies had acted earlier - and they had plenty of time to mull over things - Hitler would not have caused the carnage that cowardly pussyfooting led to.
    Perhaps you, and your ilk, think this is totally wrong thinking?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Whats Katie saying then? UK leaves EU, then builds huge wall around Britain (she did mention Trump after all). As for the military option, would around 40 nukes in the 5 to 10 KT range do the job?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Every time one of these attacks happens, every time the wave of apologism follows, every time the status quo trundles on, I look at people like Katie Hopkins or Donald Trump with just a little less contempt, a little less horror, a contempt and horror that I instead feel for many of those supposedly august individuals who presently lead or would purport to lead our countries. I only hope that some change comes before enough of these attacks happen to make me not care so long as there are results.

    Yeah, we're gonna build a wall and have the IS state pay for it.


    And then bomb their families. And make them pay for it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Bongalongherb


    So now today we have many more armed gardai on the way to patrol Dublin airport. In 2 weeks time these armed gardai will leave again when it all quietens down again, and then another suicide bomber/bombers will attack somewhere close again or even here as it's very likely to happen considering all of Europe is at risk.

    But we continue to keep letting them all in.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Bongalongherb


    donvito99 wrote: »
    We're not in Schengen but we'll be fecked if we let the facts get in the way of a good bit of Brussels bashing...

    Merkel tells us we have to take a certain amount in and the Irish government jumps and says yes, we'll take more without the consent of Irish citizens. Schengen or no Schengen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Irish Praetorian


    donvito99 wrote: »
    Yeah, we're gonna build a wall and have the IS state pay for it.


    And then bomb their families. And make them pay for it.

    IS stands for Islamic State so saying Islamic State State is redundant.

    In any case you might have missed my point on apologism but no matter kudos, you've managed to get a gay, pro-EU, Clinton supporting, Labour party voting citizen to sympathise more with Katie Hopkins than yourself - kudos.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    So now today we have many more armed gardai on the way to patrol Dublin airport. In 2 weeks time these armed gardai will leave again when it all quietens down again, and then another suicide bomber/bombers will attack somewhere close again or even here as it's very likely to happen considering all of Europe is at risk.

    But we continue to keep letting them all in.

    What does it matter if somewhere close to Dublin Airport is bombed?

    And what are a handful of uniformed and armed guards to do with thousands milling about the departures hall if we are talking about a Brussels style suicide bombing attack without warning?

    Calls to Joe Duffy today said it all. People don't know what they're talking about, and everyone is falling over themselves with fear and anger and playing into the hands of some ragheads in Raqqa.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99



    In any case you might have missed my point on apologism but no matter kudos, you've managed to get a gay, pro-EU, Clinton supporting, Labour party voting citizen to sympathise more with Katie Hopkins than yourself - kudos.

    Good to see that the terrorists can't touch narcissism eh?

    Well Clinton and the UK labour party are all for silly, violent and costly escapades in the middle east, and I'm not sure what being gay has to do with any of this really, but I'm guessing there's an element of "hey, look at me, I'm different, treat me differently" going on in your post. And pro-EU? Bravo, so am I? You no Katie Hopkins is ardently against it? So you can add Stockholm syndrome to your list. Maybe put it as your boards signature.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Bongalongherb


    donvito99 wrote: »
    What does it matter if somewhere close to Dublin Airport is bombed?

    And what are a handful of uniformed and armed guards to do with thousands milling about the departures hall if we are talking about a Brussels style suicide bombing attack without warning?

    Calls to Joe Duffy today said it all. People don't know what they're talking about, and everyone is falling over themselves with fear and anger and playing into the hands of some ragheads in Raqqa.

    Well pal, you better just hope that it doesn't happen here. You seem to have the open-door policy thinking of an uninformed individual thinking it is never going to happen little Ireland. IS don't care what western country they hit, only that they accomplish their goal in hitting as many as possible, but you seem to think we are untouchable for some reason ?.

    There is fear and anger, because we are a target as well. You do not seem to understand this basic scenario do you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Merkel tells us we have to take a certain amount in and the Irish government jumps and says yes, we'll take more without the consent of Irish citizens. Schengen or no Schengen.

    We elected a government to do that for us. That's how democracy works. We don't have referenda at every diplomatic juncture. That's what the loolahs at DDI want.

    Do I need to point out to you that Ireland is also an island, but unlike Lesbos. Greece has taken in hundreds of thousands of migrants. You'll let them deal with it I suppose, or would you prefer that we drown them?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭eeguy



    But we continue to keep letting them all in.

    Do you mean the individuals suspected of ISIS involvement?
    They're already here. Paris attacks done by the French, Brussels attacks by the Belgians and London attacks done by the English.

    I don't see how banning a load of Syrians will stop the attacks.
    You may as well ban people from Belfast for all the bombs made and detonated up there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    There's nothing like telling people what they want to hear to get them to agree with what you're saying.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Irish Praetorian


    donvito99 wrote: »
    Good to see that the terrorists can't touch narcissism eh?

    Well Clinton and the UK labour party are all for silly, violent and costly escapades in the middle east, and I'm not sure what being gay has to do with any of this really, but I'm guessing there's an element of "hey, look at me, I'm different, treat me differently" going on in your post. And pro-EU? Bravo, so am I? You no Katie Hopkins is ardently against it? So you can add Stockholm syndrome to your list. Maybe put it as your boards signature.

    Actually it's more an element of taking people who say 'we will throw you from a tall building' as a serious threat, rather than an abstract demonstration of political conservatism. My point is that the attitudes you typify of smugness, arrogance, bellicosity, towards political opponents, is one of the reasons why these groups are doing so well. Don't get me wrong, it's not something I can hold against a 17 year old, but when you can find these kinds of attitudes in higher politics, you know you have a problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Well pal, you better just hope that it doesn't happen here. You seem to have the open-door policy thinking of an uninformed individual thinking it is never going to happen little Ireland. IS don't care what western country they hit, only that they accomplish their goal in hitting as many as possible, but you seem to think we are untouchable for some reason ?.

    There is fear and anger, because we are a target as well. You do not seem to understand this basic scenario do you.

    The door is shut, and there's millions of refugees who need housing. We're a part of the EU, we'll put our share up.

    What do you propose, now that we are no longer accepting refugees into the EU? How would you send them all back, which I imagine is your line of uninformed thinking. How does any free, civil society deal with people who secrete explosives on their person and blow themselves up inside crowded transport hubs that are impossible to secure.

    And if you believe that Ireland is threatened by IS as much as France, Belgium, Germany or the UK, then you've got a str8 up case of hysteria. Although, I admire your frightened patriotism.

    So, tell me again how Ireland - an island, outside of Schengen - with a tiny muslim community already under the monitorings of the NSU/SDU is a competent and imminent threat? In your imagination, perhaps. In the real world? Not so much, buddy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Cathy.C


    Even a stopped clock..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    . My point is that the attitudes you typify of smugness, arrogance, bellicosity, towards political opponents, is one of the reasons why these groups are doing so well.

    It's called debating. If you consider it smug or arrogant then I suggest you shout at a wall for a bit, because you won't get a counter argument from it. The bloodlust that is being demanded by the people who enjoy reading Katie Hopkins deserves to be attacked with words.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 purplehays


    As the world gets more messed up. Katie Hopkins is slowly starting make more semse


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,549 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Yes Tom. But they would be very foolish not to give them the father and mother of a vetting. NB to jihadists, if your sensibilities are tender ......... do not read the above :D

    What part of the TEFU prevents the UK from vetting migrants? It doesnt impact non EU citizen families, and they are entitled to refuse to allow free moment to any citizen or family member for reasons of public security.

    Leaving the EU will not magically make the UK immune from terrorists.

    There is a legitimate economic argument as to whether EU wide free movement of workers is good or bad. There are also legitimate concerns about the migrant crisis special measures which was agreed amongst the member states. None of which in any way suggests Brexit will reduce the risk of a terrorist attack in the UK.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    The Fascist Left are trying to polarize any debate to be had. Even before most of the refugees arrived into Europe, the fascist left were abusing anybody that questioned it and created a polarized situation before it begun.

    They are doing more harm than good. Extremists from all sides need to go away and let the adults talk about how we are going to go on in the future.

    If you are going to restrict discussion, it will lead to greater and harboured resentment.

    It has gotten to a stage where you are not allowed to be angry or sad at what has been going on. If somebody dies in Belgium, you are not allowed to be upset about it unless you list off a bunch of other atrocities.

    It is not ISIS causing the polarization, it is not European Right Wing groups causing the polarization, it is not Muslims causing the polarization, it is the far left that are creating social upheval. This is what they want.

    Katie Hopkins is giving a voice to people who have none or are living in fear of speaking out


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Irish Praetorian


    donvito99 wrote: »
    The door is shut, and there's millions of refugees who need housing. We're a part of the EU, we'll put our share up.

    What do you propose, now that we are no longer accepting refugees into the EU? How would you send them all back, which I imagine is your line of uninformed thinking. How does any free, civil society deal with people who secrete explosives on their person and blow themselves up inside crowded transport hubs that are impossible to secure.

    And if you believe that Ireland is threatened by IS as much as France, Belgium, Germany or the UK, then you've got a str8 up case of hysteria. Although, I admire your frightened patriotism.

    So, tell me again how Ireland - an island, outside of Schengen - with a tiny muslim community already under the monitorings of the NSU/SDU is a competent and imminent threat? In your imagination, perhaps. In the real world? Not so much, buddy.

    I'm sorry, perhaps I've missed something but Poland aside, I don't believe the EU has shut the door on any refugee influx, even the most recent deal with Turkey is by no means a closed door and that is assuming it is 100% effective, which of course remains to be seen.

    Now as for what we should do, then yes first and foremost shut the door, adopt the Australian policy to people entering their country illegally under the guise of claiming asylum. More importantly, taking this as an EU issue, perhaps we could start the process of removing some of the 600,000 odd migrants who by the admission of EU Commissioner Frans Timmermans, should not be there as they do not qualify.

    In the medium to long term, a serious question looms in Europe surrounding the Muslim community. We need to deal with a number of issues and we can start by putting an end to the unwillingness of wider society to enforce laws upon that community as in the case of the various sex abuse scandals in the North of England.

    We need to deal with the permissive attitude which prevails on the treatment of Mosques and speakers; the Imam of Clonskeagh Mosque Mr. Halwa, is a perfect example of this; a man with connections to the Muslim Brotherhood and the litany of backwards regressive views he espouses is a prime example of why such illiberal views are allowed to fester within the Muslim community. We also need to take a more restrictive view on the funding of Mosques by donors and countries which espouse these regressive views. By contrast, it wouldn't hurt to offer monetary support to more progressive and peaceable figures like Shaykh al-Qadri.

    Lastly (though I should perhaps have put this first) we could do with some more intellectual honesty on the topic, something that is very uneven even here on boards. We need to do away with the tropes of 'nothing to do with Islam' and the idea that these terrorists are just violent nobodies who blow people up because they're just bad people like anybody else might be. To be clear, we are dealing with a very specific problem, namely Islamist Extremism; the belief that a single form of Sunni Islam should propagate throughout a worldwide Caliphate, the belief that a single version of religious law should be the law of the land and the belief that this version of a faith and law should be enforced on non-believers. This specifically is what needs to be opposed and what we could do without is conflating it with racism or the far-right.


    But that's probably just crazy we should just sing 'Imagine' a few times and that will sort everything out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭The Randy Riverbeast


    The Fascist Left are trying to polarize any debate to be had. Even before most of the refugees arrived into Europe, the fascist left were abusing anybody that questioned it and created a polarized situation before it begun.

    They are doing more harm than good. Extremists from all sides need to go away and let the adults talk about how we are going to go on in the future.

    If you are going to restrict discussion, it will lead to greater and harboured resentment.

    It has gotten to a stage where you are not allowed to be angry or sad at what has been going on. If somebody dies in Belgium, you are not allowed to be upset about it unless you list off a bunch of other atrocities.

    It is not ISIS causing the polarization, it is not European Right Wing groups causing the polarization, it is not Muslims causing the polarization, it is the far left that are creating social upheval. This is what they want.

    Katie Hopkins is giving a voice to people who have none or are living in fear of speaking out

    If terrorists weren't bombing people none of this would be mentioned. People need to stop finding excuses for people who are violent and kill others.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Muslims make up 26 per cent of metropolitan Brussels, and increasing. The self-styled capital of Europe is now one of the most Islamic cities in Europe. There are some towns in England now more than 50% muslim. Census figures from a few years ago in the UK show almost a tenth of babies and toddlers in England and Wales are Muslim – nearly twice the proportion in the general population there.

    The Islamifation of Europe is well underway.

    ISIS are winning the battle. Katie is right: if we keep our heads in the sand, they will win the war for control of Europe, too. Just sayin'.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    Any chance of intelligent dialogue?

    Hold on a second... you linked to the daily mail and then asked for intelligent dialogue?

    Can somebody tell me when we normalized horror (terror)?

    If people think that closing the borders is somehow going to stop these attacks, well, they are wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,752 ✭✭✭Lights On


    maryishere wrote: »
    Muslims make up 26 per cent of metropolitan Brussels, and increasing. The self-styled capital of Europe is now one of the most Islamic cities in Europe. There are some towns in England now more than 50% muslim. The Islamifation of Europe is well underway.

    ISIS are winning the battle. Katie is right: if we keep our heads in the sand, they will win the war for control of Europe, too. Just sayin'.

    Eh, you know not all Muslims are ISIS right? And the vast majority of them don't support them in the slightest bit. Because from your post it sounds like you're implying that every Muslim is trying to take over Europe.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    If people think that closing the borders is somehow going to stop these attacks, well, they are wrong.

    Nobody can say that "closing the borders is somehow going to stop these attacks", but letting in millions of further Muslims in to Europe is not going to help anyone. There are plenty of countries in the middle east who could take these people but who are not. And why do they always want to go to non-muslim countries if they want to spread the Muslim way of life and if life in Muslim countries is so bad? And why do they have such big families?


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