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  • #1352
    cowboyBuilder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,419 ✭✭✭cowboyBuilder


    Skylinehead wrote: »
    Why would the person cutting someone elses hair need to show their own hair? :confused:

    dunno, ask the Hairdresser owner

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1583511/Salon-sued-by-Muslim-hairdresser-in-headscarf.html

    She ended up losing.


  • #1353
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Ice Maiden wrote: »
    OK there's definitely downplaying and whataboutery - but actual support? I doubt anyone would *support* what the terrorists have done.

    Only the other day some Belgian citizens defended a mass murder who had been arrested by authorities after hiding in their midst for months.

    A few days later there were attacks carried out on fellow Belgian citizens and citizens of other countries visiting Belgium.

    These attacks were carried out by at least two Belgian nationals, Khalid and Brahim el-Bakraoui.

    It is not a stretch to say they have been supported in some fashion by fellow Belgian nationals.
    These bombers and mass murders do not operate in a vacuum.

    Now lets call a spade a spade.

    The Belgian nationals supporting and condoning the people who carry out this violence are muslims.

    They are not christians, not hindus, not sikhs, not buddhists, not scientologists, not atheists, but muslims.

    And yet we have those on here and elsewhere in the media bleating this has nothing to do with islam or muslims.
    dav3 wrote: »
    I think it's a bit of a stretch to claim 'Ireland is importing and nurturing Islamic terrorism', i think you can see that too.

    If all your fears are addressed, how many refugees would you be willing to accept over here?

    You do know we have had link to major al-qaeda money sources.
    In the past the Criminal Assets Bureau have tracked the movements of money to the Persian Gulf and in particular, through fake charity organisations with proven links to Osama bin Laden.
    It is believed some of this went towards the embassy attacks in Kenya and Tanzania.
    Prior to the attack on the USS Cole in Yemen in 2000 there was major call traffic between Dublin and Yemen.
    In 2004 Spanish police found details linking Madrid al-qaeda cell to Dublin.

    BTW ever hear of Khalid Kelly ?

    Oh the wife of one of the London 05 bombers was from Northern Ireland.

    And you do know we are currently trying to deport the main ISIS recruiter in Ireland ?
    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    Can you outline the geographical region which we are allowed talk about?
    Is it confined to the city of Brussels or is all of Belgium included?

    Get with the program FFS.
    Do as you are told and start believing.

    muslim migrants are good, multiculturalism is good for us, terrorist attacks by islamic fundamentalists are our own fault for not being nicer to muslim immigrants already in Europe who chose not to integrate and because Europe and US have been bad to Middle East since the crusades.
    Have I left anything out ?
    Oh yeah maybe you should be ashamed because you are bad white supremacist, racist, bigot, nazi for daring to discuss anything bar the above.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #1354
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    Advertise your product. In the beauty industry you have to look your best. That's the norms we have here in the western world.


    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/01/13/article-1243029-07D9FE65000005DC-562_235x247.jpg

    Cover her in a burka and she's good to go

    Oh Je$us. Point proven, Burkas do have their uses.


  • #1355
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    I cut my own hair, but the lady that used to cut it had terrible problems with alopecia.

    You're getting hysterical now lads, this is worse than playground stuff.

    Wearing a burka is a medical condition?


  • #1356
    thattequilagirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭thattequilagirl


    hmmm wrote: »
    It's not simply a piece of cloth. It is a pointed statement of rejection of some of the most fundamental aspects of our culture (in particular equal rights for women), whether or not the wearer is voluntarily wearing it. I find Burqas insulting, and the French were right to stand up for themselves and women who may be shamed into wearing it by banning it.

    Wearing a beanie is not equivalent, nor is wearing a cross, but turning up for work in a Klu Klux outfit or trying to force employees to wear a religious symbol would be equivalent.

    Who do you see it as rejecting our culture rather than embracing their own. The burka argument is a straw man, it's only worn by a tiny tiny fraction of Muslim women - those who come from the Gulf, and most of them don't wear it in Europe. The actual number of women who want to wear it to a workplace is so minuscule it's basically irrelevant.


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  • #1357
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    jmayo wrote: »
    ..................
    The Belgian nationals supporting and condoning the people who carry out this violence are muslims.

    They are not christians, not hindus, not sikhs, not buddhists, not scientologists, not atheists, but muslims.

    And yet we have those on here and elsewhere in the media bleating this has nothing to do with islam or muslims.

    It has nothing to do with the vast majority of muslims or Islam as its generally practiced.


  • #1358
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    beach_walker wrote: »
    You're not really asking that in seriousness are you..?

    Why are the girls working the make-up counters in places like Brown Thomas all done up? When you go to buy a suit, why is it that the proprietor will be very smartly dressed? Why are the people working at a gym in good shape?

    I've had bald barbers though.


  • #1359
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    thattequilagirl wrote: »
    ..........The actual number of women who want to wear it to a workplace is so minuscule it's basically irrelevant.

    Would that be because the majority of those that wear it are not allowed work?

    Timberrrrrrr's mate would be in the minuscule minority


  • #1360
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    questionmark? wrote: »
    Equality is an important part of Irish society, wearing a Burka denies this.
    Even if they choose to do so?

    How is banning someone from choosing to wear a piece of clothing, "equality"?

    Would the burkha be banned for men too, or just women? What about a shawl? If I were to create a long black shawl that could be worn in a cloak configuration with or without a hood, would that be classed as a burkha, or a long shawl?

    While in principle I agree that the burkha is a tool of oppression, calls to ban it outright are nonsensical "eye for an eye" stuff.

    "Let's show them how much we hate clothing restrictions by banning their clothing!".


  • #1361
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    beach_walker wrote: »
    You're not really asking that in seriousness are you..?

    Why are the girls working the make-up counters in places like Brown Thomas all done up? When you go to buy a suit, why is it that the proprietor will be very smartly dressed? Why are the people working at a gym in good shape?
    I've had plenty of fugly barbers. They're their to do my hair, not show off their own.

    The proprietor of an establishment can do whatever they want, it's their business.

    People working in gyms are generally in good shape because they have an interest in working in gyms, are usually personal trainers, and can avail of said gym for free.


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  • #1362
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,862 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    galljga1 wrote: »
    I would have thought that anyone working in a large organisation in the last 10-15 years would have. Maybe I am blinkered by my experience but surely 99% is an exaggeration.

    Not 99% of the population 99% of posters on here (judging by the way they have no clue)


  • #1363
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    thattequilagirl wrote: »
    Who do you see it as rejecting our culture rather than embracing their own. The burka argument is a straw man, it's only worn by a tiny tiny fraction of Muslim women - those who come from the Gulf, and most of them don't wear it in Europe. The actual number of women who want to wear it to a workplace is so minuscule it's basically irrelevant.
    One word, Indonesia.


  • #1364
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,862 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    Would that be because the majority of those that wear it are not allowed work?

    Timberrrrrrr's mate would be in the minuscule minority

    And yet more proof that you have never even spoken to a Muslim person :rolleyes:


  • #1365
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    In a customer facing role then no the burka isn't compatible but in an office situation there is no harm in it.

    I would argue against that but then I would argue that 99% of the people on here complaining have never actually spoken to a Muslim person.

    Ive worked with muslims and I would bump into muslim fathers at kids activities (the mothers, no clue), It kinda means though Im meeting the more reasonable and educated ones. By definition you are not going to be bumping into the ones that hold the west in contempt or want to live seperated from the host population.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #1366
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    There is a women in my building right now wearing one, sitting at her desk working away not a bother on her.

    of course there is :rolleyes::rolleyes: why dont you wear one if you think there so great?


  • #1367
    beach_walker
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 976 ✭✭✭beach_walker


    Skylinehead wrote: »
    I've had plenty of fugly barbers. They're their to do my hair, not show off their own.

    The proprietor of an establishment can do whatever they want, it's their business.

    People working in gyms are generally in good shape because they have an interest in working in gyms, are usually personal trainers, and can avail of said gym for free.

    Jeepers H Crackers, you really are drawing this out. It's to attract customers. Rightly or wrongly, this is the way it is. Having known girls who worked in hairdressers I know this is a big thing. Similarly I went out with a girl who worked the make-up counter, there were given very clear instructions and how much to put on (and even given 30 minutes prep time to do so before a shift). Actually I wonder how that would work with a full face veil applicant...

    I've never seen anyone working in a decent men clothing place who was scruffy (why oh why did I say proprietor...), in my time working in hotels and the service industry there were very strict clothing and personal grooming standards, I guarantee that someone considerably overweight and with no intentions of losing it wouldn't last long working at a gym.


  • #1368
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    One word, Indonesia.

    Indonesian women here were the headscarf, a jacket and jeans. From what I've seen of them their behaviour could not be described as highly religious.


  • #1369
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    You made the claim that laws were being broken, why not go to the guards and report these disgraceful crimes? Is it because in fact no laws are being broken except for in your head?

    There no laws around the burka, they have broken our laws by their crime and hate that they have for our culture and society.


  • #1370
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,862 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    fin12 wrote: »
    of course there is :rolleyes::rolleyes: why dont you wear one if you think there so great?

    The same reason I don't wear a baseball cap, cos it wouldn't suit me.


  • #1371
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    beach_walker wrote: »
    Jeepers H Crackers, you really are drawing this out. It's to attract customers. Rightly or wrongly, this is the way it is. Having known girls who worked in hairdressers I know this is a big thing. Similarly I went out with a girl who worked the make-up counter, there were given very clear instructions and how much to put on (and even given 30 minutes prep time to do so before a shift). Actually I wonder how that would work with a full face veil applicant....

    They'd argue that both cover their mush, just one uses cloth as opposed to make up? It has to be said I've never been told not to look at somebody because they haven't had their veil on, but as regards makeup....


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  • #1372
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    beach_walker wrote: »
    Jeepers H Crackers, you really are drawing this out. It's to attract customers. Rightly or wrongly, this is the way it is. Having known girls who worked in hairdressers I know this is a big thing. Similarly I went out with a girl who worked the make-up counter, there were given very clear instructions and how much to put on (and even given 30 minutes prep time to do so before a shift). Actually I wonder how that would work with a full face veil applicant...

    I've never seen anyone working in a decent men clothing place who was scruffy (why oh why did I say proprietor...), in my time working in hotels and the service industry there were very strict clothing and personal grooming standards, I guarantee that someone considerably overweight and with no intentions of losing it wouldn't last long working at a gym.
    I know it's generally the case that people are expected to look good in customer service jobs, but what I'm saying is it doesn't have to be so and employers are left open to discrimination suits if they try to force the issue. Seems like the courts agree with me.


  • #1373
    Tasden
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭Tasden


    fin12 wrote: »
    There no laws around the burka, they have broken our laws by their crime and hate that they have for our culture and society.

    And you know this by the burka she wears?


  • #1374
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,862 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    fin12 wrote: »
    There no laws around the burka, they have broken our laws by their crime and hate that they have for our culture and society.

    Name a law that has been broken and then explain to us why you have not reported these crimes.


  • #1375
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    And yet more proof that you have never even spoken to a Muslim person :rolleyes:

    I will admit burka wearing, working women are under represented within my social circle, and you're right it's all my fault :o


  • #1376
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,862 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    I will admit burka wearing, working women are under represented within my social circle, and you're right it's all my fault :o

    Not all Muslims are women, not all Muslims wear a burka ;)


  • #1377
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Not all Muslims are women, not all Muslims wear a burka ;)

    I know, that's why I clearly defined the type that were missing ;)


  • #1378
    NoCrackHaving
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭NoCrackHaving


    Is all this discussion of burka/burqua? (s) not massively off topic in relation to the horrible things that have happened? The men (not women) who carried out the murders in Brussels did not have veils on...


  • #1379
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,862 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    I know, that's why I clearly defined the type that were missing ;)

    As I said, you have obviously never spoken to a Muslim person (either gender)


  • #1380
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Name a law that has been broken and then explain to us why you have not reported these crimes.

    who says I havent reported them.


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  • #1381
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Not all Muslims are women, not all Muslims wear a burka ;)

    how do you know its a woman underneath the Burka???????????


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