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  • #1322
    questionmark?
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,083 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    But it isn't against the law to wear one (yet) so what laws are the Muslims not respecting?

    Equality is an important part of Irish society, wearing a Burka denies this. Women are seen as inferior. Plenty of laws covering this.

    Denied chance to work outside the home and forced to stay at home and do what the husband and male family members say. Thats slavery.

    Pretty sure the man chooses when to have intercourse as well and she must obey. That's rape and is illegal.

    Denied chance of an education to a level they choose themselves. Thats a human right.

    The burka represents all of the above and more. It has no place in Irish society.


  • #1323
    icecream99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41 ✭icecream99


    yada yada yada banned


  • #1324
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Once it doesn't impair thier ability to do thier job then what's your issue?

    Any customer/human facing role, their ability will be impaired.

    The norms of our society includes showing your face when interacting. What's your issue with that?


  • #1325
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,862 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    questionmark? wrote: »
    Equality is an important part of Irish society, wearing a Burka denies this. Women are seen as inferior. Plenty of laws covering this.

    Why did the guards say when you went to them?
    Denied chance to work outside the home and forced to stay at home and do what the husband and male family members say. Thats slavery.

    Why did the guards say when you went to them?

    Pretty sure the man chooses when to have intercourse as well and she must obey. That's rape and is illegal.

    Why did the guards say when you went to them?

    Denied chance of an education to a level they choose themselves. Thats a human right.

    Why did the guards say when you went to them?
    The burka represents all of the above and more. It has no place in Irish society.


    Amazing how afraid some people are of a simple item of clothing.


  • #1326
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    I hate beanie hats, top knots, fat chicks in mini skirts and men with ridiculous beards. Croc should be banned as a fashion crime and don't get me started on Sandals and socks.

    Just because you disagree with someone's dress doesn't mean it should be banned.

    Fwiw I think a burka ban should be imposed at airports, gov buildings etc but not when someone is out shopping or in public.

    its pretty much impossible to be part of the workforce wearing a Burka. It certainly not in anyone's interest to have people come here who exclude themselves economically and culturally from society and expect that society to support them.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • #1327
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,862 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    Any customer/human facing role, their ability will be impaired.

    Tell that to the 20 couriers a day who walk into this building with helmets on.
    The norms of our society includes showing your face when interacting. What's your issue with that?

    The "norms of our society" include a lot of things that many don't go by. Why are you afraid of the burka?


  • #1328
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,862 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    silverharp wrote: »
    its pretty much impossible to be part of the workforce wearing a Burka. It certainly not in anyone's interest to have people come here who exclude themselves economically and culturally from society and expect that society to support them.

    There is a women in my building right now wearing one, sitting at her desk working away not a bother on her.


  • #1329
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Why did the guards say when you went to them?



    Why did the guards say when you went to them?




    Why did the guards say when you went to them?




    Why did the guards say when you went to them?




    Amazing how afraid some people are of a simple item of clothing.
    Why did the guards say what?


  • #1330
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,862 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    galljga1 wrote: »
    Why did the guards say what?

    Typo,

    WHAT did the guards say?


  • #1331
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Typo,

    WHAT did the guards say?

    Why?


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  • #1332
    questionmark?
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,083 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Why did the guards say when you went to them?



    Why did the guards say when you went to them?




    Why did the guards say when you went to them?




    Why did the guards say when you went to them?




    Amazing how afraid some people are of a simple item of clothing.

    What a rubbish response. Try again and address the points raised. You said no laws were broke but I give a list of what areas could be considered broken by the wearing of the Burka. Or maybe your happy the extremists treat woman as second class citizens, that your ok with forced labour, martiel rape and been victimised for the only crime of been born with a vagina.


  • #1333
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    There is a women in my building right now wearing one, sitting at her desk working away not a bother on her.

    Can you shake her hand for me?


  • #1334
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    icecream99 wrote: »

    Parts of the Irish Left are supporting them.

    Parts of the Irish left, instead of opposing facism, are nurturing Islamofacism.

    Islamofacism eventually leads to Islamic terrorism.

    I think you're just trying to fit the word 'Islam' into your post as many times as you can.

    You're wrong on so many points.

    A mod has already asked you to refrain from it so I'm not going to encourage you any more. Fire away.


  • #1335
    Tasden
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭Tasden


    questionmark? wrote: »
    Equality is an important part of Irish society, wearing a Burka denies this. Women are seen as inferior. Plenty of laws covering this.

    Denied chance to work outside the home and forced to stay at home and do what the husband and male family members say. Thats slavery.

    Pretty sure the man chooses when to have intercourse as well and she must obey. That's rape and is illegal.

    Denied chance of an education to a level they choose themselves. Thats a human right.

    The burka represents all of the above and more. It has no place in Irish society.

    You do realise a lot of women choose to wear a burka as they feel it is their religious duty/obligation and it is not some big bad husband forcing them to because they are inferior.
    Denying a woman the right to wear the burka is denying her the right to freely practice her religion as she deems fit.
    Fair enough having issues with women being opressed and forced to wear a burka, but you're assuming that this is the case with all women wearing them when that is not true.


  • #1336
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,862 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    questionmark? wrote: »
    What a rubbish response. Try again and address the points raised. You said no laws were broke but I give a list of what areas could be considered broken by the wearing of the Burka. Or maybe your happy the extremists treat woman as second class citizens, that your ok with forced labour, martiel rape and been victimised for the only crime of been born with a vagina.

    You made the claim that laws were being broken, why not go to the guards and report these disgraceful crimes? Is it because in fact no laws are being broken except for in your head?


  • #1337
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,862 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    Can you shake her hand for me?

    I speak to her most days, no reason to shake her hand although I did on the day I started here and was introduced. Heads up lads, they are not the bogey men/women that you all think they are.


  • #1338
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    There is a women in my building right now wearing one, sitting at her desk working away not a bother on her.
    I find wearing the Burka pretty weird for some reason. I am not afraid of it because as you say, it is a piece of cloth. If I was an employer, I would insist that all headgear be removed upon entering office type buildings and that includes hats, beanies etc.Ya don't like it? Take your beanie and go home.


  • #1339
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,862 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    galljga1 wrote: »
    I find wearing the Burka pretty weird for some reason. I am not afraid of it because as you say, it is a piece of cloth. If I was an employer, I would insist that all headgear be removed upon entering office type buildings and that includes hats, beanies etc.Ya don't like it? Take your beanie and go home.

    I wouldn't have an issue with that either.


  • #1340
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    There is a women in my building right now wearing one, sitting at her desk working away not a bother on her.

    yeah but not everyone can work for chat lines...joke! Ive never seen one either here or in England working in any kind of customer facing business. you wouldnt argue against the idea that the burqa's point is to keep women controlled

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #1341
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    galljga1 wrote: »
    I find wearing the Burka pretty weird for some reason. I am not afraid of it because as you say, it is a piece of cloth.
    It's not simply a piece of cloth. It is a pointed statement of rejection of some of the most fundamental aspects of our culture (in particular equal rights for women), whether or not the wearer is voluntarily wearing it. I find Burqas insulting, and the French were right to stand up for themselves and women who may be shamed into wearing it by banning it.

    Wearing a beanie is not equivalent, nor is wearing a cross, but turning up for work in a Klu Klux outfit or trying to force employees to wear a religious symbol would be equivalent.


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  • #1342
    cowboyBuilder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,419 ✭✭✭cowboyBuilder


    galljga1 wrote: »
    I find wearing the Burka pretty weird for some reason. I am not afraid of it because as you say, it is a piece of cloth. If I was an employer, I would insist that all headgear be removed upon entering office type buildings and that includes hats, beanies etc.Ya don't like it? Take your beanie and go home.

    A muslim girl sued a hairdresser because they told her in order to work there she would have to show her hair - cos it's a HAIR DRESSERS!!!

    She won.


    JOKE


  • #1343
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    cowboyBuilder wrote: »
    A muslim girl sued a hairdresser because they told her in order to work there she would have to show her hair - cos it's a HAIR DRESSERS!!!

    She won.


    JOKE

    A woman liked a joked on fb about a Barka being a blind Muslims guide dog

    and got sacked from her job of 20 years

    not a joke


  • #1344
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    cowboyBuilder wrote: »
    A muslim girl sued a hairdresser because they told her in order to work there she would have to show her hair - cos it's a HAIR DRESSERS!!!

    She won.


    JOKE
    Why would the person cutting someone elses hair need to show their own hair? :confused:


  • #1345
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,862 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    silverharp wrote: »
    yeah but not everyone can work for chat lines...joke! Ive never seen one either here or in England working in any kind of customer facing business. you wouldnt argue against the idea that the burqa's point is to keep women controlled

    In a customer facing role then no the burka isn't compatible but in an office situation there is no harm in it.

    I would argue against that but then I would argue that 99% of the people on here complaining have never actually spoken to a Muslim person.


  • #1346
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Skylinehead wrote: »
    Why would the person cutting someone elses hair need to show their own hair? :confused:

    Advertise your product. In the beauty industry you have to look your best. That's the norms we have here in the western world.


    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/01/13/article-1243029-07D9FE65000005DC-562_235x247.jpg

    Cover her in a burka and she's good to go


  • #1347
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    In a customer facing role then no the burka isn't compatible but in an office situation there is no harm in it.

    I would argue against that but then I would argue that 99% of the people on here complaining have never actually spoken to a Muslim person.

    If you've met upper middle class Muslims at work it doesn't tell you much about general opinions. Or they could be toning it down. Islam isn't compatible with modern liberalism.


  • #1348
    beach_walker
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 976 ✭✭✭beach_walker


    Skylinehead wrote: »
    Why would the person cutting someone elses hair need to show their own hair? :confused:

    You're not really asking that in seriousness are you..?

    Why are the girls working the make-up counters in places like Brown Thomas all done up? When you go to buy a suit, why is it that the proprietor will be very smartly dressed? Why are the people working at a gym in good shape?


  • #1349
    inforfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,863 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    That guy really has no shame.
    https://twitter.com/GuyVerhofstadt/status/712236536436297728

    3 x prime minister of Belgium (1999 - 2008) in the era the Molenbeeks of Belgium started to flourish

    I guess he thinks destroying 1 country is not enough, he wants the continent.


  • #1350
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    In a customer facing role then no the burka isn't compatible but in an office situation there is no harm in it.

    I would argue against that but then I would argue that 99% of the people on here complaining have never actually spoken to a Muslim person.

    I would have thought that anyone working in a large organisation in the last 10-15 years would have. Maybe I am blinkered by my experience but surely 99% is an exaggeration.


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  • #1351
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    Advertise your product. In the beauty industry you have to look your best. That's the norms we have here in the western world.

    I cut my own hair, but the lady that used to cut it had terrible problems with alopecia.

    You're getting hysterical now lads, this is worse than playground stuff.


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