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Superhorse · 23-03-2016 09:29AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Because the type of people who benefit from the vicious circle of oil sales, dollars/GBP/Euros, weapons manufacturers, destabilisation, don't give a fuck about their 'fellow' citizens.

Agreed and as ive said before until ISIS or whoever carries out a massive attack on a parliament or anywhere that big numbers of the establishment are located, be that in Europe or America nothing will change. Our supposed better's couldn't give a rats ass about the vast middle and working classes who take the subways and buses to work that these savages attack now on a regular basis. ISIS's strongholds could be wiped out in a matter of weeks by any half decent army but the will just isn't there as Saudi call the shots and Europe dance to its tune.

Lovely Bloke · 23-03-2016 09:33AM

The answer to Saudi calling the tune is to allow substantial nuclear power all over the world, to ease the reliance on Oil.

But the leftists don't want that either. It "damages the environment".

BuilderPlumber · 23-03-2016 09:38AM

Superhorse wrote: »

Agreed and as ive said before until ISIS or whoever carries out a massive attack on a parliament or anywhere that big numbers of the establishment are located, be that in Europe or America nothing will change. Our supposed better's couldn't give a rats ass about the vast middle and working classes who take the subways and buses to work that these savages attack now on a regular basis. ISIS's strongholds could be wiped out in a matter of weeks by any half decent army but the will just isn't there as Saudi call the shots and Europe dance to its tune.

That is very true. Saudi Arabia has for way too long being backing these drug dealer terrorists hiding behind their voodoo improvised atheist-satanic hybrid 'religion'. Modern Saudi Arabia and Middle Eastern voodooism was invented in the Cold War and was tolerated for too long. Now is the time to shut down this once and for all. I agree nothing will be done unless a Western parliament is hit by the drug dealers. Then their vast money laundering and criminal enterprises will be stopped and their bases blown to bits. The time has come to call Saudi Arabia on it and tell them to dismantle their fascist, voodoo, atheist hate machine and then and only then can things begin to get back to some sort of normality. I didn't see what is basically a drug dealing cartel with a serial killer mentality threaten any states to this extent up until the 1990s.

silverharp · 23-03-2016 09:47AM

clinton tweeted that its nothing to do with Islam...well okay then!

Davei141 · 23-03-2016 10:14AM

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/mar/23/brussels-attacks-police-search-airport-bomb-suspect-live

Najim Laachraoui, 24, who Belgian media reported grew up in the Brussels neighbourhood of Schaerbeek, was well-known to police.

He is believed to have travelled to Syria in 2013 and was thought to have been key in a recruitment ring of Brussels youths for jihad.

In 2014 an international arrest warrant was issued against him, but this appears not to have stopped him returning to Belgium. Since December, police investigating the Paris attacks have been looking for a man under the alias of Soufiane Kayal who it recently emerged was Laachraoui. His DNA was found in two hideouts used by Paris attackers and also on explosive material.

The state broadcaster RTBF reported that he could have been one of the bombmakers involved in November’s Paris attacks.

International arrest warrant issued against him, recruits youths for ISIS in Belgium, travelled to and from Syria and still manages to slip back into the country to blow people up. The famous European security in action.

BuilderPlumber · 23-03-2016 10:17AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Because the type of people who benefit from the vicious circle of oil sales, dollars/GBP/Euros, weapons manufacturers, destabilisation, don't give a fuck about their 'fellow' citizens.

This mentality needs to change. Saudi Arabia's poison has destroyed the Middle East. Not so long ago, a lot of these Middle East countries we now see as totally failed were doing okay and certainly were not the violent hellholes they are today.

Since when has using drug dealing terrorists to determine stocks, shares and hedge fund market outcomes become more important than human life? And the arms dealer who sits in his plush mansion who sells to some local organised criminal self styled army like Taliban, ISIS, al Qaeda, Boko Haram or al Shabaab never of course sees what his tools do 5000 miles away.

The West has also been too complacent. A bomb goes off and kills 100s in say Tehran, Iran or Bombay, India and it hardly makes the news' top stories. When it happens in Paris or Belgium, a different story: finally we wake up to the reality of these savages. They destroyed Iraq and Syria. They did their initial terror attacks in their regional enemies like Iran, India, and Turkey. Now, they bring it to the West.

Saudi Arabia hates the West, Iran, Russia, and even its fellow Arab countries. It is doing its best to stir up trouble everywhere and does not want to see the world source its oil anywhere else hence all the trouble it has caused for its rivals. Now the Saudi funded terror groups are in a position where ironically Saudi cannot even control them any longer.

cowboyBuilder · 23-03-2016 10:20AM

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

ISIS, al Qaeda or whatever these creeps want to call themselves are just a bunch of violent, egotistical, atheist, fascist drug dealers and organised criminals who think they are in a James Bond film. They are a cross between Blofeld, a Mad Max warlord and that bad guy in that Saw franchise. How they can get away with what they do and why the world cannot stop these few fanatic criminals is frightening. I think compulsory 30+ year sentences for terrorism, drug crimes, burglaries, rape, murder, incitement to hatred speech, money laundering and other promotion of organised criminality is needed. These boyos are getting it soft for way too long, no wonder they are getting braver and braver and taking their battle to what they perceive as soft states.

Atheist ?

cowboyBuilder · 23-03-2016 10:27AM

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-35868119
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-35878177

This I just don't understand, how can someone brought up in a western environment be radicalised remotely by ISIS ?

There are some cases in Australia where they aren't even from Muslim backgrounds, it's bizarre that a western educated young person can be brought in by this.

Before I would have thought to even start radicalisation you would need the person to be at least educated in the traditional Islamic fashion - as a baseline.

This re defines the threat.

DrumSteve · 23-03-2016 10:30AM

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-35868119
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-35878177

This I just don't understand, how can someone brought up in a western environment be radicalised remotely by ISIS ?

There are some cases in Australia where they aren't even from Muslim backgrounds, it's bizarre that a western educated young person can be brought in by this.

Before I would have thought to even start radicalisation you would need the person to be at least educated in the traditional Islamic fashion - as a baseline.

This re defines the threat.

I think Stalin referred to them as useful idiots.

cowboyBuilder · 23-03-2016 10:34AM

DrumSteve wrote: »

I think Stalin referred to them as useful idiots.

inforfun · 23-03-2016 10:35AM

Stunned after reading about the 2 of 3 of the *****
In case you want a face: http://www.dhnet.be/

Now ... the thing is, this pair of pearls of multiculturalism robbed an stock broker in January 2010. They got caught and emptied a kalashnikov on the police. 1 police officer got wounded.

So you would think, 20 years to life...?

Nope. 9 years with early release.

NIMAN · 23-03-2016 10:45AM

Is there any link to that story in English?

screamer · 23-03-2016 10:48AM

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-35868119
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-35878177

This I just don't understand, how can someone brought up in a western environment be radicalised remotely by ISIS ?

There are some cases in Australia where they aren't even from Muslim backgrounds, it's bizarre that a western educated young person can be brought in by this.

Before I would have thought to even start radicalisation you would need the person to be at least educated in the traditional Islamic fashion - as a baseline.

This re defines the threat.

Most of them are low in educational levels have nothing to strive for in life most have no jobs no girlfriends no prospects. In Ireland they'd be referred to as "layabouts" but as they're muslim they're "marginalised" they have a huge chip on their shoulders and blame the west for their ****ty existence. Instead of getting off their ass and working to better themselves like the rest of us they are sucked in by the radicals who offer them a way to strike back at the west who they blame for their own failure. Throw in a few big guns and they're hard men now. And then the 70 virgins they'll get if they are martyred sure it's a honey trap.

inforfun · 23-03-2016 10:54AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Is there any link to that story in English?

I ll drop it when i find it.

Edit:

Here in Dutch....

The French-speaking broadcaster RTBF in Belgium announced Wednesday that the two men who Tuesday at Zaventem airport blew up were the brothers Ibrahim and Khalid El Bakraoui.

The French-speaking broadcaster RTBF in Belgium announced Wednesday that the two men who Tuesday at Zaventem airport blew up were the brothers Ibrahim and Khalid El Bakraoui. © anp.
The brothers were from the police and friends have been coming from Brussels.

The 27-year-old Khalid recently under a false name rented an apartment in the Brussels municipality of Vorst. Last week there was a shooting position and in an apartment found the fingerprints of Salah Abdeslam. That terrorist was arrested three days later.

criminal
The brothers El Bakraoui both have a criminal past. Khalid was in 2011, already sentenced to five years in prison for carjacking (forcibly steal cars). Ibrahim was six years ago involved in a violent robbery of a currency exchange in Brussels, which resulted in and shootout with police. He received nine years in prison.

Previously, the pair by the police was not associated with terrorism. That changed since their links with the bombers in Paris became known.
third terrorist
Wednesday was also announced that Najim Laachraoui, previously suspected of involvement in the attacks in Paris, wanted by the police because of possible involvement in the attacks in Brussels.

Via google translate.

Lovely Bloke · 23-03-2016 10:57AM

reports that they have the third man

cowboyBuilder · 23-03-2016 11:01AM

screamer wrote: »

Most of them are low in educational levels have nothing to strive for in life most have no jobs no girlfriends no prospects. In Ireland they'd be referred to as "layabouts" but as they're muslim they're "marginalised" they have a huge chip on their shoulders and blame the west for their ****ty existence. Instead of getting off their ass and working to better themselves like the rest of us they are sucked in by the radicals who offer them a way to strike back at the west who they blame for their own failure. Throw in a few big guns and they're hard men now. And then the 70 virgins they'll get if they are martyred sure it's a honey trap.

Yes but a lot of these young fellas from Australia weren't muslim at first, seems very odd to be converted to such extremes..

galljga1 · 23-03-2016 11:02AM

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-35868119
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-35878177

This I just don't understand, how can someone brought up in a western environment be radicalised remotely by ISIS ?

There are some cases in Australia where they aren't even from Muslim backgrounds, it's bizarre that a western educated young person can be brought in by this.

Before I would have thought to even start radicalisation you would need the person to be at least educated in the traditional Islamic fashion - as a baseline.

This re defines the threat.

Anyone know the proportion of European raised nutbags to recent immigrants involved in recent terrorist activities in Europe. I was of the opinion that they were mainly European raised.

KindOfIrish · 23-03-2016 11:05AM

inforfun wrote: »

Stunned after reading about the 2 of 3 of the *****
In case you want a face: http://www.dhnet.be/

Now ... the thing is, this pair of pearls of multiculturalism robbed an stock broker in January 2010. They got caught and emptied a kalashnikov on the police. 1 police officer got wounded.

So you would think, 20 years to life...?

Nope. 9 years with early release.

Both Paris and Brussels terror attacks have been done by known to authorities criminals with EU passports who have travelled to Middle East and returned to Europe. And failed EU politicians are blaming ISIS?!! Unbelievable! French and Belgium governments have to resign immediately.

K-9 · 23-03-2016 11:21AM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

reports that they have the third man

Irish Times reporting it now, well reporting on reports!

inforfun · 23-03-2016 11:23AM

Yeah, found him in Anderlecht.
The neighbourhood, not the club.

K-9 · 23-03-2016 11:25AM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

The answer to Saudi calling the tune is to allow substantial nuclear power all over the world, to ease the reliance on Oil.

But the leftists don't want that either. It "damages the environment".

Only leftists are opposed to nuclear power?

Okdokey.

SEPT 23 1989 · 23-03-2016 11:30AM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

reports that they have the third man

will we see what their next move is now

conorhal · 23-03-2016 11:32AM

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-35868119
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-35878177

This I just don't understand, how can someone brought up in a western environment be radicalised remotely by ISIS ?

There are some cases in Australia where they aren't even from Muslim backgrounds, it's bizarre that a western educated young person can be brought in by this.

Before I would have thought to even start radicalisation you would need the person to be at least educated in the traditional Islamic fashion - as a baseline.

This re defines the threat.

You're assuming that they have been brought up in a Western environment, that's not necessarily true. They have grown up in a western country but they have been brought up in a completely different culture.
The mass immigration of the past few decades is not like prior migration. Huge ghettos have formed that are utterly self-contained colonies, yes colonies.
Due to mass migration and the technological revolution you can sit in town in Europe surrounded largely by those of your own community, watch TV and get your news from home via satellite and the internet.
The constant influx of migrants keeps the ‘old country’ values alive, as does the fact that your bride imported from the old country to give her family an anchor migrant has also been raised in that country. Your Imam is more likely from Pakistan then from Brixton, as are his values and thus your mosque and community is keeping an eye you becoming ‘too western’.

screamer · 23-03-2016 11:37AM

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

Yes but a lot of these young fellas from Australia weren't muslim at first, seems very odd to be converted to such extremes..

It's not the extremism they are attracted to its a purpose in life for them to finally be the hard man to show us what they are made of, and make us pay for their own shortcomings and failures. The extremists exploit this deep rooted inadequacy and offer them 5 minutes of fame whilst also giving them an opportunity to and their miserable existence and be glorious martys. It's more to do with psychology than the draw of extremist religious views. Thats why even converts can be radicalised its just mind games. But religious teachings are used for justification and gullible fools with little cop on believe it.

Nodin · 23-03-2016 11:37AM

conorhal wrote: »

You're assuming that they have been brought up in a Western environment, that's not necessarily true. They have grown up in a western country but they have been brought up in a completely different culture.
The mass immigration of the past few decades is not like prior migration. Huge ghettos have formed that are utterly self-contained colonies, yes colonies.
Due to mass migration and the technological revolution you can sit in town in Europe surrounded largely by those of your own community, watch TV and get your news from home via satellite and the internet.
The constant influx of migrants keeps the ‘old country’ values alive, as does the fact that your bride imported from the old country to give her family an anchor migrant has also been raised in that country. Your Imam is more likely from Pakistan then from Brixton, as are his values and thus your mosque and community is keeping an eye you becoming ‘too western’.

No, not colonies. The lengths to which people go to in order to bend reality to their own agenda is sickening.

GT_TDI_150 · 23-03-2016 11:39AM

Some reports filtering through now that he has not been caught

dav3 · 23-03-2016 11:41AM

conorhal wrote: »

You're assuming that they have been brought up in a Western environment, that's not necessarily true. They have grown up in a western country but they have been brought up in a completely different culture.
The mass immigration of the past few decades is not like prior migration. Huge ghettos have formed that are utterly self-contained colonies, yes colonies.
Due to mass migration and the technological revolution you can sit in town in Europe surrounded largely by those of your own community, watch TV and get your news from home via satellite and the internet.
The constant influx of migrants keeps the ‘old country’ values alive, as does the fact that your bride imported from the old country to give her family an anchor migrant has also been raised in that country. Your Imam is more likely from Pakistan then from Brixton, as are his values and thus your mosque and community is keeping an eye you becoming ‘too western’.

That reads more like a cut and paste from a far right website than your own opinion. What relevance does any of that waffle above have to Ireland?

Who is "they"? What migrants are living in ghettos over here? The Americans? Australians?

12Phase · 23-03-2016 11:41AM

inforfun wrote: »

I ll drop it when i find it.

Edit:

Here in Dutch....

Via google translate.

En Français : http://www.rtbf.be/info/societe/detail_les-freres-el-bakraoui-identifies-parmi-les-kamikazes-de-l-attentat-de-zaventem?id=9249275

Google Translate : https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rtbf.be%2Finfo%2Fsociete%2Fdetail_les-freres-el-bakraoui-identifies-parmi-les-kamikazes-de-l-attentat-de-zaventem%3Fid%3D9249275&edit-text=

Main point is they're two Brussels locals, not foreign jihadis and there's a link to the Paris attacks and the shooting in Forest / Vorst.

RTBF = Radio Télévision Belge de la Communauté Française (the public service French language Broadcaster in Belgium)

VRT = Vlaamse Radio en Televisieomroeporganisatie (the Flemish speaking public service broadcaster)

The two organisations actually share the same building and work together on most things so you'll find that the news is largely the same content on both even though they're technically totally separate companies due to the family feud between the two bits of Belgium.

You'll get a lot of info on www.lesoir.be which is the main French language newspaper there.

conorhal · 23-03-2016 11:43AM

dav3 wrote: »

That reads more like a cut and paste from a far right website than your own opinion. What relevance does any of that waffle above have to Ireland?

Who is "they"? What migrants are living in ghettos over here? The Americans? Australians?

What relevence does it have, it's Irelands future of the current course is maintained. Perhaps you can dispute any of my assertions rtather then whining about them? I doubt it though.

galljga1 · 23-03-2016 11:46AM

Nodin wrote: »

No, not colonies. The lengths to which people go to in order to bend reality to their own agenda is sickening.

No? What word would you use to describe a group of people of a particular type, nationality or race living together in a foreign place?

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