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  • #1082
    Internet Ham
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Internet Ham


    dav3 wrote: »
    I'd say there's a far greater chance of being killed by some scumbag on the green line luas than being killed by some terrorist.
    Where else are we more likely to be killed? Work? At home?

    We are on the ****list. Does a softer target currently exist? We have an inept police force and a population of people like yourself saying ''ah feck it sure, it's unlikely''.

    What relevance is your comment to this discussion?


  • #1083
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    Superhorse wrote: »
    I agree. The secret is we need a government who can stand up and not just allow anybody to come here. We must have intense checks on each and every Muslim migrant/refugee/asylum seeker coming to Ireland and actively encourage them to integrate. If they refuse they shouldn't be allowed stay here and sent back to their country of origin.

    Fixed that for you.


  • #1084
    12Phase
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭12Phase


    Liberosis wrote: »
    That muppet Donald Trump on twitter...

    @realDonaldTrump
    My heart & prayers go out to all of the victims of the terrible #Brussels tragedy. This madness must be stopped, and I will stop it

    Sadly, the Donald doesn't seem to understand the limits of what a US president can do. Even if wasn't blowing hot air and was actually some kind of diplomatic super genius, he couldn't resolve the problem, and absolutely not within 4 years.

    Populist rhetoric and no substance.


  • #1085
    Polo_Mint
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,504 ✭✭✭Polo_Mint


    12Phase wrote: »
    I think realistically you're going to have to see the creation of a Euro FBI and CIA to deal with this.


    Isnt that Europol?


  • #1086
    errlloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,633 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    Europeans should be incredibly proud. Literally millions of Syrians are safe from danger because of our refugee policies. For that more than 200 Europeans have died.

    Had we closed the borders years ago we could have prevented Paris and Brussels ever happening, but only at massive human cost.


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  • #1087
    Liberosis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88 ✭✭Liberosis


    The Raptor wrote: »
    It is worrying. The explosions also happened beside the departures for Dublin, did I read that correctly. I don't know if the plane left before the explosions or if it was due to leave after but what would happen if they boarded the flight to Dublin with the intention of an attack on Dublin.

    The USA stepped up their security and they aren't even in Europe. But Ireland, such a we're fine attitude.

    I think they could easily target Dublin if we're so laid back.

    I read that the explosion occurred near the aer lingus and American airlines check-in desks. These guys didn't go past security so they were no where near the plane boarding areas. No way they could get through security with bombs and guns.


  • #1088
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    Superhorse wrote: »
    So much rage. If you think ISIS give a hoot about the IRA or there is any unwritten code you know nothing about these head chopping animals. They hate all us all and won't stop until they bring about the caliphate... I'm not even going to bother as I said your post was embarrassing.

    Rage? Ha. Nothing to be raged about an internet post. Reading that wrong, seems common.

    It was known and written in books about IRA & PLO sharing safehouses, training camps etc,. So there were 'unwritten codes'. Not saying that was the case with IS, I simply put the question out there.


  • #1089
    12Phase
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭12Phase


    Polo_Mint wrote: »
    Isnt that Europol?

    Europol is just a coordination agency.

    Collaboration is still pretty weak, especially in areas like intelligence where you'll see some countries plugged into the US and others quite wary of the US.

    UK vs France for example.

    There still seems to be a lot of random ad hoc arrangements on intelligence sharing at many levels.


  • #1090
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    long range shooter wrote: »
    It only takes one to do severe damage.

    True, but the population needs to be large enough for the kind of social dynamics to develop where people can begin to conspire. If you've only got 5 Muslims you can be mates with in your area you're not going to risk outing yourself, whereas if you live in a town in England you'll suss out who the heavies are and end up hanging with them.


  • #1091
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    12Phase wrote: »
    Sadly, the Donald doesn't seem to understand the limits of what a US president can do. Even if wasn't blowing hot air and was actually some kind of diplomatic super genius, he couldn't resolve the problem, and absolutely not within 4 years.

    Populist rhetoric and no substance.

    Allthough he is a muppet and a usless politicians,he atlest have the guts to bring it on the agenda.
    Not like politicians in Europe,who burry their head in sand and hope their pensions are coming son.


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  • #1092
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    errlloyd wrote: »
    Europeans should be incredibly proud. Literally millions of Syrians are safe from danger because of our refugee policies. For that more than 200 Europeans have died.

    Had we closed the borders years ago we could have prevented Paris and Brussels ever happening, but only at massive human cost.

    Who is Europe for?


  • #1093
    12Phase
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭12Phase


    long range shooter wrote: »
    Allthough he is a muppet and a usless politicians,he atlest have the guts to bring it on the agenda.
    Not like politicians in Europe,who burry their head in sand and hope their pensions are coming son.

    They've all put it on the agenda actually.

    Even Hollande, a centrist socialist, basically declared war on ISIS.


  • #1094
    Polo_Mint
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,504 ✭✭✭Polo_Mint


    Internet Ham wrote: »
    Where else are we more likely to be killed? Work? At home?

    We are on the ****list. Does a softer target currently exist? We have an inept police force and a population of people like yourself saying ''ah feck it sure, it's unlikely''.

    What relevance is your comment to this discussion?

    Should we all sit at home and Shit ourselves like yourself?


  • #1095
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    The only answer is to hide under the bed and never leave the house. All while posting about a very small threat to this country and whipping up mass hysteria.


  • #1096
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    buried wrote: »
    Dependance has nothing to do with it, Col. Gaddafi or Saddam's regimes and the crimes against their own people or the wider world weren't ignored for oil dependance were they? Why does Saudi Arabia get a free pass brutalizing its own people and the entire planet?

    Saddam was trading Oil in Euros and Gaddafi was not only extorting huge US multinationals into paying the Lockerbie damages for him (or he'd tear up their trading licenses) but the Colonel had been actively seeking to create a Pan-Arab Gold Dinar to trade oil in.

    Instead of dollars or euros.

    That would have collapsed Western Economies and could not have been allowed to happen.

    Humanitarianism was the reason given for the invasion.

    The Saudi's are buying billions of dollars in hi-tech weapons from the West. Also, 5 of the biggest companies in the world are Multinational Oil concerns. Exxon, BP, Shell and the two huge Chinese companies. They will probably be joined by the Saudi National Oil Company if it IPOs.

    The Saudis also have over $3 trillion invested in the US Stock Market. Any attack on Saudi, they'd pull that money out and collapse the US economy overnight.

    That is also why 20 pages+ of the 9/11 report that implicates members of the House of Saud in the attack, were expunged.

    As George Carlin said:

    "They got ya by the balls..."


  • #1097
    The Raptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭The Raptor


    Internet Ham wrote: »
    Where else are we more likely to be killed? Work? At home?

    We are on the ****list. Does a softer target currently exist? We have an inept police force and a population of people like yourself saying ''ah feck it sure, it's unlikely''.

    What relevance is your comment to this discussion?

    Even our stupid government are like "it won't happen to us".


  • #1098
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    Yeah North Korea be number one on that list.


    Didn't Bush have them on the 'axis of evil' but then they got nukes so the whole thing was quietly dropped .

    I wonder why they want to avoid Iran getting a nuke.


  • #1099
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    True, but the population needs to be large enough for the kind of social dynamics to develop where people can begin to conspire. If you've only got 5 Muslims you can be mates with in your area you're not going to risk outing yourself, whereas if you live in a town in England you'll suss out who the heavies are and end up hanging with them.

    If your goal is to kill innocent people as an extremist,i dont think they need to be to many.
    You be surprised how easy it is to make a bomb with household ingredients.
    And combined with a religious fanatic,thats all you need.


  • #1100
    Internet Ham
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Internet Ham


    Polo_Mint wrote: »
    Should we all sit at home and Shit ourselves like yourself?
    Now was that designed to get a rise out of me or what? Do better than that.


  • #1101
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    Internet Ham wrote: »
    Where else are we more likely to be killed? Work? At home?

    We are on the ****list. Does a softer target currently exist? We have an inept police force and a population of people like yourself saying ''ah feck it sure, it's unlikely''.

    What relevance is your comment to this discussion?

    Oh...


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  • #1102
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    long range shooter wrote: »
    If your goal is to kill innocent people as an extremist,i dont think they need to be to many.
    You be surprised how easy it is to make a bomb with household ingredients.
    And combined with a religious fanatic,thats all you need.

    You'd be surprised how many people have already heard the meme about how easy it is to make a bomb with household ingredients.

    There doesn't need to be many to carry out the act, but a smaller population is easier to monitor. If the Gardaí wanted to they could get to know the name and face of every Muslim aged 15-35. The French security services are overloaded with potential threats and don't know where to look.


  • #1103
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    12Phase wrote: »
    They've all put it on the agenda actually.

    Even Hollande, a centrist socialist, basically declared war on ISIS.

    A yes he declared war on ISiS,tell me a country that havent?
    And how are they going to solve the terrorist problem in Europe?
    Bring in some more maybe,or let the extremist groups continue their hatred trough mosques funded by EU?
    Ban legal firearms in EU maybe,so the terrorists can apply for a firearmslicense,like they ever did.
    The Politicians are digging their own grave,the headless chickens they are.


  • #1104
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    You'd be surprised how many people have already heard the meme about how easy it is to make a bomb with household ingredients.

    There doesn't need to be many to carry out the act, but a smaller population is easier to monitor. If the Gardaí wanted to they could get to know the name and face of every Muslim aged 15-35. The French security services are overloaded with potential threats and don't know where to look.

    In Norway in 2011 an ethnic Norwegian managed to do it though,alone.
    Norways intelligence service where to busy looking at other threats.


  • #1105
    clsmooth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Article from 2005.. Welcome to phase 6.. Scarily accurate

    http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2005/08/the_seven_phase.php


  • #1106
    Liberosis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88 ✭✭Liberosis


    The Raptor wrote: »
    Even our stupid government are like "it won't happen to us".

    This is the governments response according to RTE:

    http://m.rte.ie/news/2016/0322/776735-brussels-attacks-ireland/

    "Security forces here are closely monitoring a small number of people in the wake of the terror attacks in Brussels.

    "The Government said there is no specific information of any threat to the country from international terrorism but a similar indiscriminate atrocity is possible, although not likely.

    "No Irish people were caught up in the bombs at Zaventem airport in the Belgian capital or on the city's Metro line near the European Union headquarters.

    "The Dáil held a minute's silence in memory of the victims as the death toll rose to at least 30 with more than 200 injured.

    "The Government said security chiefs were continuing to closely monitor a number of people based in Ireland "whose behaviour may be of concern".

    "Stressing that there is no intelligence of an immediate or specific threat to Ireland from international terrorism, officials said: "We cannot consider that we are immune from the threat.

    "It remains the case that an attack here is assessed as possible but not likely.

    "The level of threat is kept under constant review by An Garda Síochána and all appropriate measures will continue to be taken by the authorities here....."


    Surely even the slimmest "possibly" is deserving of an increase in security.


  • #1107
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Internet Ham wrote: »
    Where else are we more likely to be killed? Work? At home?

    We are on the ****list. Does a softer target currently exist? We have an inept police force and a population of people like yourself saying ''ah feck it sure, it's unlikely''.

    What relevance is your comment to this discussion?

    His comment does have relevance, because it offers perspective. As horrible as what happened today was, 34 people died and now some are losing the run of themselves and going on like the sky is falling in. The muslims are out to get us and the whole of Europe is about to fall to them. Sure I'd be afraid to travel to the continent now. Ireland will be next, we're all at risk. We'd one poster earlier advocating that practising Islam should be made a capital offense.

    The concept of blaming the perpetrators is immediately abandoned; we should abandon our humanity instead, blame all the brown people, build fences to keep the refugees out, bomb the tar out of the middle east.

    By contrast, around 70 people will have died on Europe's roads today alone, and the same will happen every day this year. We're not blaming everyone who gets behind the wheel, or panicking whenever we step outside the door. It's almost like people are being completely irrational.


  • #1108
    The Raptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭The Raptor


    Liberosis wrote: »
    This is the governments response according to RTE:

    http://m.rte.ie/news/2016/0322/776735-brussels-attacks-ireland/

    "Security forces here are closely monitoring a small number of people in the wake of the terror attacks in Brussels.

    The Government said there is no specific information of any threat to the country from international terrorism but a similar indiscriminate atrocity is possible, although not likely.

    No Irish people were caught up in the bombs at Zaventem airport in the Belgian capital or on the city's Metro line near the European Union headquarters.

    The Dáil held a minute's silence in memory of the victims as the death toll rose to at least 30 with more than 200 injured.

    The Government said security chiefs were continuing to closely monitor a number of people based in Ireland "whose behaviour may be of concern".

    Stressing that there is no intelligence of an immediate or specific threat to Ireland from international terrorism, officials said: "We cannot consider that we are immune from the threat.

    "It remains the case that an attack here is assessed as possible but not likely.

    "The level of threat is kept under constant review by An Garda Síochána and all appropriate measures will continue to be taken by the authorities here.....


    Surely even the slimmest "possibly" is deserving of an increase in security.

    I agree.

    If security isn't stepped up at a time like this, will we be the next target?


  • #1109
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    long range shooter wrote: »
    In Norway in 2011 an ethnic Norwegian managed to do it though,alone.
    Norways intelligence service where to busy looking at other threats.

    Is that supposed to be a counter argument? Please actually make an argument rather than stating facts without any context.


  • #1110
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Surely even the slimmest "possibly" is deserving of an increase in security.

    No. Why? Because we have had "the slimmest possibility" for the past seventy years. Yes, I realise the IRA were a different bunch but when you get down to it, we had terrorist attacks down here in the south from time to time. I remember several occasions where a bomb threat was called into my school (waaaaay down in the south). It was rubbish every time, ofc, but still, it was always -just possible-.

    We all got on with our lives, because the possibility at the time was too slim to be throwing all of the everything at.

    And no matter what your opinion of the Gardai or our own intelligence networks, no-one, NO-ONE wants to be the one that let a terrorist attack happen here in Ireland. They're taking this seriously. They have the information that's available. They'll raise the security levels if they get something half-way credible. Until then, we should just get on with our lives.


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  • #1111
    thattequilagirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭thattequilagirl


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    Is that supposed to be a counter argument? Please actually make an argument rather than stating facts without any context.

    Given the panic it would cause, I think it would be irresponsible to raise the threat level if there is no intelligence suggesting we should do so. The people making these decisions are much better informed than you or I.


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