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Ave Sodalis · 22-03-2016 12:04PM

dissed doc wrote:

Gold star Ã°Å¸Å’Å¸ for believing the authorities. You don't see that much anymore! It is like a 1980s movie, with the unspoken parental-style authority can step in a fix things.

What a stupid comment. I didn't say that. I didn't even suggest it!

stoplooklisten · 22-03-2016 12:04PM

seamus wrote: »

Y.....
Religion is a vehicle. If Christianity was the majority religion in the regions these terrorists come from, these killings would be occurring in the name of Christianity.
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If clouds were made of candyfloss, we'd all have free sugar. Unfortunately they are not and we have to deal with the reality of the situation .

Straight Edge Punk · 22-03-2016 12:05PM

sup_dude wrote: »

What bubble? Reality?

If you were a realist then you would know exactly what group was responsible this morning and would say as much.

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-03-2016 12:05PM

jmayo wrote: »

Well you could experience first hand the joys of the cultural enrichment you support.

BTW I do hope you aren't female, gay, etc.

Well I have Muslim friends, have been to their homes, meet on a regular basis with them. As I said before it'd a tiny minority who cause this not everyone. A bomb went off in the North last week, should all catholics be tarred with the terrorist label now? How about all Irish people?

inforfun · 22-03-2016 12:06PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The lawyer representing Salah Abdeslam used the term that his client was "worth his weight in gold" yesterday, could that have been some codeword for the attack? Seems a rather odd term when I heard it yesterday.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/captured-paris-attack-suspect-abdeslam-worth-weight-in-gold-to-police-lawyer-34558612.html

Worth his weight in gold is a pretty standard Dutch (language) expression.

Lawyer said this in reference to the amount of information that **** could provide the authorities.
Usual clap trap from a lawyer trying to get the best "deal" for his client.

Liberosis · 22-03-2016 12:07PM

RobertKK wrote: »

These are the list of countries that ISIS have on their hit list:
Australia, Bahrain, Albania, Denmark, Belgium, China, Croatia, Austria, Egypt, Czech Republic, Greece, Canada, Estonia, France, Finland, Iraq, Jordan, Germany, Ireland, Hungary, Netherlands, New Zealand, Romania, Lebanon, Kosovo, South Korea, Kuwait, Israel, Iran, Italy, Japan, Qatar, Luxembourg, Sweden, Russia, Norway, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Slovakia, Switzerland, Lithuania, Macedonia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Taiwan, U.S., U.K. United Arab Emirates, Spain, Mexico, Turkey, Oman, Ukraine, Tunisia, Serbia, Slovenia, Poland, Portugal, Morocco, Moldova, and Malta.

Are there any EU countries not listed there?

BorneTobyWilde · 22-03-2016 12:07PM

Now she wrapped him all cozy in a coverture of silk
And then laid him by the fireside with some honey and some milk
Now she hurried home from work that night as soon as she arrived
She found that pretty snake she'd taken to had been revived
"Take me in, oh tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in, tender woman," sighed the snake

She clutched him to her bosom, "You're so beautiful," she cried
"But if I hadn't brought you in, by now you might have died"
Now she stroked his pretty skin again and then kissed and held him tight
But instead of saying thanks, the snake gave her a vicious bite!
"Take me in, oh tender woman
Take me in for heaven's sake
Take me in, tender woman," sighed the snake
"Now I saved you," cried the woman
And you've bit me, even why?
And you know your bite is poisonous and now I'm going to die"
"Ah shut up, silly MerKel," said that reptile with a grin
"Now you knew darn well I was a snake before you brought me in

Atlantic Dawn · 22-03-2016 12:07PM

Liberosis wrote: »

I thought Abdeslam's lawyer was provided for him by the State no?
If so, it seems strange that he would be involved.

He seems to have a bit of a reputation for taking controversial cases but yes provided by the State I would say...

Sven Mary has earned the nickname "avocat des crapules" ("scumbag's lawyer") from his work defending a series of notorious criminals in Belgium.

But now his profile is set to go international through his latest client - Paris attacks suspect Salah Abdeslam.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35866437

Ave Sodalis · 22-03-2016 12:07PM

Straight Edge Punk wrote:

If you were a realist then you would know exactly what group was responsible this morning and would say as much.

I strongly suspect (as I have already stated) but I'm not stupid enough to jump straight into battering on with what I suspect as though fact, without any proof.

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-03-2016 12:07PM

inforfun wrote: »

Since you dont believe me/an interview by AFP of a local eyewitness, go get yourself some experience of one of the many Molenbeeks on the continent.
You seem to think it is only a tiny, tiny, tiny minority that is in favour of events like today. So you shouldn't have any problem getting around there.

Go.

So in your opinion one persons hearsay is enough evidence for you to make up your mind?

Knex* · 22-03-2016 12:08PM

Liberosis wrote: »

Are there any EU countries not listed there?

Andorra.

turnikett1 · 22-03-2016 12:08PM

Christ, what type of world do we live in where everyday people feel compelled to go to a public area and wantonly blow themselves up? Makes you think how it must be like for the millions of people living within warzones today. As soon as I get back to Ireland I have no intention of ever leaving in the foreseeable future!

RDM_83 again · 22-03-2016 12:10PM

To those that insist on making a comparison between this and the IRA let's actually compare it.
How exactly do we negotiate with them?what demands do they have we can compromise on, look at Sunningdale dialogue through 80's and ceasefire 94.
If its like the IRA that means there is a serious level of support among the population these protagonists are coming for their goals if not their methods and a large minority turning a blind eye too combatants and a small but real minority giving active support.

If its a genuine comparison rather than simply disingenuous whataboutery these questions have to be answered.

screamer · 22-03-2016 12:11PM

jmayo wrote: »

Can you get back to them to sort their lists alphabetically in future.

Or is it based on some weighting scale?
If so they really don't like Australia and are so so about Malta.

Looks like south America isn't there let's go..... we'll sail across march down with no documentation force our way in and demand everything.......

Liberosis · 22-03-2016 12:11PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Well I was just trying to bring some perspective to people who are afraid to travel or go to affected countries.

You list helped prove my point. You’re going back 15 years and total deaths of 3507. All tragic and wasteful.

However, the populations of the affected areas total approx. 950 million. So 0.003% have been killed by terrorists.

I am not lessoning the tragedy of these events, they are awful, but I am trying to show that the chances of being caught up in these random attacks are very slim and we should not curtail our plans and lifestyles as that is what the terrorists want to achieve most.

Chances have increased significantly from 2010 onwards.

FA Hayek · 22-03-2016 12:11PM

Its getting to be a joke at this stage that we just let this slide and not address the meteorite elephant in the room. You can be damm sure that there will be individuals and groups here in Ireland who while not outright advocating terrorism but will have a sneaky regard for these evil *****. The apologists will be out in force tonight going on about western intervention, people being mean to muslims, lack of jobs, feeling diferent and so on, as if that justifies blowing up a metro station with people going out on their day to earn their crust of bread. There is none, zero justification to blow someone up because you harbour ill will towards a state or a culture. Like what the **** did Belgium do in Iraq or Syria. **** all. Yet I am sure some apologist will come on here and point out that 100 years ago they treated people badly in Africa so that justifies blowing up women and kids on a train in 2016 or something something...
These countries open up their doors for people to avail of opportunities that can never be found in other parts of the world. Yet, the thanks they get is scores of people who harbour terrorists and hate the west with some shooting up concert halls and blowing up train stations. I just don't get it.

But whats the point. We tip toe around it and this **** keeps on happening.
RIP to all those who died.

gandalf · 22-03-2016 12:12PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Trump is right it turns out. We invite these people in, we paid their way, we take good take of them and they blow us up.

Nope Trump is wrong. The majority of these attackers are European. Their parents or Grandparents were migrants. The vast majority were also petty criminals who got radicalised in prison. They are also a minority of the minority.

As someone who through my in laws has migrants in my wider family circle I have seen the positive side. One if their kids has just joined the army and another is about to join the police in France. Their Dad has run his own businesses since he landed there over 25 years ago and has provided numerous French people with employment.

Luckycharms_74 · 22-03-2016 12:13PM

jmayo wrote: »

Good lad keep playing it down.

Just highlighting this one single attack makes the situation look ok.

But why not add in
Paris Nov 2015 (137 dead)
Paris Jan 2015 (21 dead)
Tunisia 2015 (28 dead)
Toulouse 2012 (7 dead)
Moscow 2010 (40 dead)
London 2005 (53 dead)
Bali 2005 (20 dead)
Moscow 2004 (10 dead)
Madrid 2004 (191 dead)
NY/Washington 2001 (3,000 dead)

And this did not even include all the attacks in Turkey, the Middle East Indian subcontinent, Africa, etc.

Look up these for saltatory truth of what exactly those in the name of islam have contributed over the last number of years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

Ah but sure you will probably drag up the numbers killed in car accidents to lessen the toll. :rolleyes:

Can also add the Bali attacks in 2002 (killing 202 people)

YFlyer · 22-03-2016 12:13PM

sup_dude wrote: »

There is no country not on their list.

Latvia?

dav3 · 22-03-2016 12:13PM

Straight Edge Punk wrote: »

If you were a realist then you would know exactly what group was responsible this morning and would say as much.

You mean Belgian nationals? It's possible, but we don't know for sure yet.

Ave Sodalis · 22-03-2016 12:14PM

YFlyer wrote:

Latvia?

Realistically though, is there a country they won't target if they felt like it?

Bob24 · 22-03-2016 12:14PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

To those that insist on making a comparison between this and the IRA let's actually compare it.
How exactly do we negotiate with them?what demands do they have we can compromise on, look at Sunningdale dialogue through 80's and ceasefire 94.
If its like the IRA that means there is a serious level of support among the population these protagonists are coming for their goals if not their methods and a large minority turning a blind eye too combatants and a small but real minority giving active support.

If its a genuine comparison rather than simply disingenuous whataboutery these questions have to be answered.

It is not the only difference, but the fact that the IRA was a very localised Irish/British issue makes a comparison with a global totalitarian religious ideology rather pointless.

stoplooklisten · 22-03-2016 12:15PM

Current count :15 dead at metro, 10 critically wounded - metro operator

walshyn93 · 22-03-2016 12:16PM

gandalf wrote: »

Nope Trump is wrong. The majority of these attackers are European. Their parents or Grandparents were migrants. The vast majority were also petty criminals who got radicalised in prison. They are also a minority of the minority.

As someone who through my in laws has migrants in my wider family circle I have seen the positive side. One if their kids has just joined the army and another is about to join the police in France. Their Dad has run his own businesses since he landed there over 25 years ago and has provided numerous French people with employment.

That actually doesn't make a difference.

Unless you think European Muslims are inherently more extreme than their Middle Eastern counterparts. Or that migrants are inherently less violent. But those are faulty premises.

Eugene Norman · 22-03-2016 12:16PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

To those that insist on making a comparison between this and the IRA let's actually compare it.
How exactly do we negotiate with them?what demands do they have we can compromise on, look at Sunningdale dialogue through 80's and ceasefire 94.
If its like the IRA that means there is a serious level of support among the population these protagonists are coming for their goals if not their methods and a large minority turning a blind eye too combatants and a small but real minority giving active support.

If its a genuine comparison rather than simply disingenuous whataboutery these questions have to be answered.

A bombing like this would have been as big as, or bigger, than the largest IRA bombs in Enniskillan or Birmingham. Standard for Isis. In fact the atrocities will get larger.

Also what's the beef with Belgium? It's not part of the coalition in Syria?

gandalf · 22-03-2016 12:17PM

FA Hayek wrote: »

Its getting to be a joke at this stage that we just let this slide and not address the meteorite elephant in the room. You can be damm sure that there will be individuals and groups here in Ireland who while not outright advocating terrorism but will have a sneaky regard for these evil *****.

Tbh you don't have to look to far into our past to see people reveling in the murder and mutilation that the IRA unleased on the British mainland.

thattequilagirl · 22-03-2016 12:17PM

If you use this horrific terrorist attack to justify your hatred of over a billion people who follow Islam, well done on playing right into the hands of the terrorists. Creating fear and division is exactly what they want- emotional responses that will make non-Muslims hate normal, peaceful Muslims to justify their ideology and create an alienated environment for young Muslim men where ISIS recruiters can then thrive.

Don't give them that.

The waiter in the Lebanese restaurant didn't do this.

The Pakistani guy running a small shop in town didn't do this.

Your neighbours from Tunisia didn't do this.

Your Syrian colleague didn't do this.

Hate the terrorists, by all means. I do. But don't give them what they want.

screamer · 22-03-2016 12:18PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Also what's the beef with Belgium? It's not part of the coalition in Syria?

Massive muslim population, home of the EU, a grand stage to play out your agenda on.

Eugene Norman · 22-03-2016 12:19PM

gandalf wrote: »

Tbh you don't have to look to far into our past to see people reveling in the murder and mutilation that the IRA unleased on the British mainland.

What about...?

Liberosis · 22-03-2016 12:19PM

Knex. wrote: »

Andorra.

Andorra isn't in the European Union.

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