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I say Noel Gallagher will get announced soon in a headliner slot (a la Blur last year) along with a trickle of tickets (mainly for 3 customers).

Lineups really not for me this year, I'd definitely be selling my ticket by now had I bought a loyalty ticket

Personally hoping for Will Young myself.

Happy St Patrick's Day you doodle doodle doos.

Can't wait to hear this live again!!!!!!!

Fatfrog wrote: »

Avery over the chems at the EP this year I think, only Hopkins could beat both for me, it would be something like;
1: Hopkins:D
2: Daniel Avery:cool:
3: Chemical bros.:P

To bring up an old conversation, I've watched the first six minutes of that boiler room set and apart from putting his headphones on and off he seems to do very little.

Does anyone else find it a bit odd that people go to watch this?

Again, I have no issue with the creation of the music in the studio. I'm just querying people's perception of such performances.

bodhrandude wrote: »

Well like Hopkins, Avery uses Kaoss pads, of course a lot of the music is pre-programmed in there but each time they play live they remix or have a sorta mixing desk or I'd say a virtual mixing desk so that they can constantly reinterpret the music they make. If that makes any sense at all, this is simply from observations of artists like, Hopkins, Holden, Aphex Twin, Kieran Hebden aka Four Tet and the guys from Moderat and Modeselektor.

That's the best explanation I've ever got on this subject. What do you mean when you say "reinterpret"?

Slobberdawn wrote: »

That's the best explanation I've ever got on this subject. What do you mean when you say "reinterpret"?

That each version of their set is uniquely different, just listen to some of the Hopkins live recordings of tracks from Immunity, they are constantly morphing and changing all the time. They are the opposite of boring DJs such as Alesso, Calvin Harris, Fat Boy Slim and Dave Guetta who make it look like they are just putting on a CD as they spend most of the time clapping and egging the audience on, than looking at their monitors and tweaking the sound.

the video posted is a DJ set, not a live set, he's just playing records. you don't go to "see" him do anything, you go to listen to the music. most people don't go to bands to see the guitarist strum chords, they go to hear music.

ghostdancer wrote: »

well as someone who does it myself and has watched the video, i can tell you that it is true. he's playing other people's tracks and a few remixes of his own using 3 CDJs and a mixer.
if you go to see Daniel Avery doing a live set he will be performing and playing instruments.

that video is not a live set, it's a DJ set, as referenced in the video's title.

some people may go to "see" him DJing to see how he technically does it, but i doubt most people do, just like most people don't go to see how Noel Gallagher or The Edge physically pluck a string or strum a chord, they're there to hear music.

would I pay generously to see someone play records? yes, absolutely, i do all the time.
it wouldn't matter if someone else played them but you're not going to hear a specific set of songs, you're going to hear the music that a particular act has chosen, a different DJ or live electronic act will be playing different music.

Sorry, where I was coming from when I said "I doubt it's true" is bodhrandude had explained to me what was going on plus Avery is at least doing something, i.e. he didn't just press play.

Overall though this is exactly the type of information I'm looking for. Nobody thus far has even attempted to explain what you three have.

ghostdancer wrote: »

bodhrandude was talking about a Daniel Avery live set presumably, in the video posted, he's just DJing with decks and a mixer, not using live equipment like controller pads, snyths, drum machines, etc.

in the video posted, he essentially is just "pressing play", although that's like saying a drummer is just "hitting things" or a pianist is "pressing keys", it may essentially be what it boils down to, but it takes skill and practice to actually make it work together. in the video he's selecting tracks with similar BPMs, making sure that they're lining up on the correct note and beats, mixing in the different low/mid/high frequencies at certain times so that it works properly together.

Ah I see. So should I take it from the line-up that Mount Kimbie will be playing other people's songs and that Avery will be playing live? Also, Chemical Brothers don't play anything live but I guess that's the only type of set they play?

yeah, i'd imagine Mount Kimbie will be playing mostly other people's songs, certainly won't be playing their own songs using instruments. Daniel Avery will presumably be playing live and doing what bodhrandude mentioned.
Chemical Brothers play live, although the live aspect of their show has gotten less and less as the years go on and it's all tied into a visual show which leaves less room to improvise during a gig. They use controllers and sequencers to trigger samples at certain times. that might be a vocal sample, a bass line, drum sounds like hi-hats, or whatever. one night they might start a kick drum going by pressing a button a controller pad and let it play for a certain amount of bars before pressing another button to bring in a hi-hat on a certain beat. if they bring it in on the wrong beat, it will sound off and might not match up with the rest of the song later, or might not correspond with the light show or visuals. some nights they might allow the initial kick drum loop to play for a minute before bringing in that hi-hat loop, other nights it might be 20seconds. those are just 2 small components of a song, there might be 20+ components in one song that have to be timed properly for their live show.
some electronic acts will automate their show so that everything comes in at the correct time and on beat and for a pre-defined amount of time, others will make it up completely on the fly.
someone like Jon Hopkins improvises a lot when playing live, so his songs are quite a bit different to how they sound on record, and can often be different from night to night depending on what he decides to do.