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Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

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  • #4712
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    freedominacup wrote: »
    I thought the high protein would be an indicator of high N that's where my thinking on the wilt came in. The percentages you refer to are they fm or dm? If fresh surely those percentages will rise as crop dries?

    Edit: What gives them such a high buffering capacity?
    They will be high in nitrogen but it will be in protein form not nitrate, the wsc % are on DM so if can you remove water faster then the plant will consume sugar through respiration it will be increased, but going from 20 to 30%dm is a lot faster than 30-40% so somewhere after maybe the first 20-30 hours wilting sugar% will start decreasing faster than DM is increasing.
    Legumes are higher in minerals and their proteins are more soluble (which is what also causes bloat) which both buffer against pH decreases.


  • #4713
    jack o shea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 607 ✭✭✭jack o shea


    Have a cow passing blood in her urine this morning,she gone thin and not eating the nuts and practically dry, not a great miller but want to at least get her to the factory in good condition, gave her pen strip and Almycin earlier in week as knew she was off only seen the blood this morning.what could it be?thanks.


  • #4714
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Complete lack of nitrate regulations .......sure we have derogation for that now dwag and road frontage and quota ,many a good wedding made by that!!!

    Lol.

    On top of the derogation you have the salesman asking what to put on the invoice, after buying an artic of CAN...:)


  • #4715
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    jack o shea wrote: »
    Have a cow passing blood in her urine this morning,she gone thin and not eating the nuts and practically dry, not a great miller but want to at least get her to the factory in good condition, gave her pen strip and Almycin earlier in week as knew she was off only seen the blood this morning.what could it be?thanks.

    Get vet, could be red water or bleeding somewhere. She may need a transfusion. Have a solid quiet cow close by when vet comes out just in case


  • #4716
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    jack o shea wrote: »
    Have a cow passing blood in her urine this morning,she gone thin and not eating the nuts and practically dry, not a great miller but want to at least get her to the factory in good condition, gave her pen strip and Almycin earlier in week as knew she was off only seen the blood this morning.what could it be?thanks.

    Kidney infection. Stick a pound of vitamin C into her every day.


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  • #4717
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Lol.

    On top of the derogation you have the salesman asking what to put on the invoice, after buying an artic of CAN...:)

    Not our fault they delivered the wrong stuff and we had it spread before realising it...


  • #4718
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    yosemitesam1 wrote: »
    They will be high in nitrogen but it will be in protein form not nitrate, the wsc % are on DM so if can you remove water faster then the plant will consume sugar through respiration it will be increased, but going from 20 to 30%dm is a lot faster than 30-40% so somewhere after maybe the first 20-30 hours wilting sugar% will start decreasing faster than DM is increasing.
    Legumes are higher in minerals and their proteins are more soluble (which is what also causes bloat) which both buffer against pH decreases.

    Confused.
    Not sure what to do now...


  • #4719
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    Milked out wrote: »
    Not our fault they delivered the wrong stuff and we had it spread before realising it...

    It's sooo easy to confuse CAN and Granlime...


  • #4720
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,128 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Calf shed after been blitzed here with rotavirus, strange thing is calves affected are all 4 weeks plus old and received rotavac milk for two weeks after birth...
    Anyone know if rotavac corona covers all the strains of rotavirus our could I have been hit with one it doesn't cover, it very unusual for rotavirus to affect calves as old as mine so badly from reading up on it has me stumped


  • #4721
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,128 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Calf shed after been blitzed here with rotavirus, strange thing is calves affected are all 4 weeks plus old and received rotavac milk for two weeks after birth...
    Anyone know if rotavac corona covers all the strains of rotavirus our could I have been hit with one it doesn't cover, it very unusual for rotavirus to affect calves as old as mine so badly from reading up on it has me stumped


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  • #4722
    Markcheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,995 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    A rake shouldnt do much damage to the clover leaf , make sure to disengage the knives on the baler though....
    Bales might end up wet and squishy but stock love them...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #4723
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,789 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Calf shed after been blitzed here with rotavirus, strange thing is calves affected are all 4 weeks plus old and received rotavac milk for two weeks after birth...
    Anyone know if rotavac corona covers all the strains of rotavirus our could I have been hit with one it doesn't cover, it very unusual for rotavirus to affect calves as old as mine so badly from reading up on it has me stumped

    Was there something a few years ago were the rotavec was recalled as it wasn't working. When were the cows vaccinated?


  • #4724
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,128 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Was there something a few years ago were the rotavec was recalled as it wasn't working. When were the cows vaccinated?

    Yeah remember that alright, cows done in batches at dry off which is 7-9 weeks from calving, have a bottle not used yet will get on to vet to get it tested, first problem we had with rota virus since we start vaccinating need to get to the bottom of it as have been living in the calf shed the past week keeping calves going


  • #4725
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    yosemitesam1 wrote: »
    They will be high in nitrogen but it will be in protein form not nitrate, the wsc % are on DM so if can you remove water faster then the plant will consume sugar through respiration it will be increased, but going from 20 to 30%dm is a lot faster than 30-40% so somewhere after maybe the first 20-30 hours wilting sugar% will start decreasing faster than DM is increasing.
    Legumes are higher in minerals and their proteins are more soluble (which is what also causes bloat) which both buffer against pH decreases.

    Dawg is in France. Wilt should be fast. Would this colour your thinking about the wilt?


  • #4726
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,789 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Yeah remember that alright, cows done in batches at dry off which is 7-9 weeks from calving, have a bottle not used yet will get on to vet to get it tested, first problem we had with rota virus since we start vaccinating need to get to the bottom of it as have been living in the calf shed the past week keeping calves going

    Did you get the dung tested? You'd imagine at that age you would be over the risk of it. What are you treating them with?


  • #4727
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,718 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Lol.

    On top of the derogation you have the salesman asking what to put on the invoice, after buying an artic of CAN...:)

    Jaysus don't know where u heard that dwag ,certainly wouldn't happen around here ..........


  • #4728
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    freedominacup wrote: »
    Dawg is in France. Wilt should be fast. Would this colour your thinking about the wilt?

    Sorry didn't mean not to wilt, just one day as opposed to two or three


  • #4729
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Confused.
    Not sure what to do now...

    If it was me I'd leave it wilt for a day and either add about 50l a tonne of molasses or add formic acid in the pit (you'd need a higher rate than applying with harvester but should give decent results).

    Edit, would beet pulp be competitive as a source of sugar?


  • #4730
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,128 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Did you get the dung tested? You'd imagine at that age you would be over the risk of it. What are you treating them with?

    Have the diy test kit done two samples of different calves both showed up rota virus, the late Jan heifers just ready to wean even have a touch of it, might have to get a sample lab tested to see exactly what strain it is


  • #4731
    blackdog1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Have the diy test kit done two samples of different calves both showed up rota virus, the late Jan heifers just ready to wean even have a touch of it, might have to get a sample lab tested to see exactly what strain it is

    I'm vaccinated too and have it in the shed last week of hell with keeping 5 heifers alive. Using alfatrim and bacdidiral plus milk. Powerwashed and disenfected pens not killing it but lessening its affects.


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  • #4732
    Timmaay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    blackdog1 wrote: »
    I'm vaccinated too and have it in the shed last week of hell with keeping 5 heifers alive. Using alfatrim and bacdidiral plus milk. Powerwashed and disenfected pens not killing it but lessening its affects.

    I really dislike ever reusing a calf pen in the same year, even after disinfecting. From now on I'll be using cubicles as calf pens.


  • #4733
    blackdog1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    Timmaay wrote: »
    I really dislike ever reusing a calf pen in the same year, even after disinfecting. From now on I'll be using cubicles as calf pens.

    It was a brand new shed a virus is a virus and not even cubicles will keep it out. I'm convinced birds brought it especially magpies.


  • #4734
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    blackdog1 wrote: »
    It was a brand new shed a virus is a virus and not even cubicles will keep it out. I'm convinced birds brought it especially magpies.

    It is best practice to have the calves in the same pens from birth.
    Cleaning out when necessary. So that newborn calves are always going into fresh pens where no calves have been before.
    The virus could be in your herd all the time and you wouldn't know it.
    The pig and poultry farmers have the right idea with footbaths and disinfection facilities between houses.

    A good read on rotavirus here.
    http://www.netvet.co.uk/cattle/vaccination/rotavirus.htm

    Edit: any animal or bird could be a vector.


  • #4735
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Included a link on Dutch proposals to reduce phosphate levels to encourage species rich grasslands using a grass/clover sward.

    https://dl.sciencesocieties.org/story/2016/mar/tue/grass-clover-effective-in-removing-soil-phosphorus


  • #4736
    Brown Podzol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭Brown Podzol


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    Included a link on Dutch proposals to reduce phosphate levels to encourage species rich grasslands using a grass/clover sward.

    https://dl.sciencesocieties.org/story/2016/mar/tue/grass-clover-effective-in-removing-soil-phosphorus

    I could have told them that. Bulldozing the top soil ffs. Sounds like a quango with too much money to spend.


  • #4737
    RightTurnClyde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭RightTurnClyde


    4th lactation Cow calved here last night 4 weeks premature. Calf is alive and fine. But cow has no springing whatsoever. I'm bringing her into the Parlour and putting clusters on to try and stimulate milk production, but nothing. Any ideas?


  • #4738
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,718 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    RightTurnClyde wrote: »
    4th lactation Cow calved here last night 4 weeks premature. Calf is alive and fine. But cow has no springing whatsoever. I'm bringing her into the Parlour and putting clusters on to try and stimulate milk production, but nothing. Any ideas?

    Had one like that last year ,feed her twice daily through parlour but only milk oad till she gets going


  • #4739
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Brown Podzol wrote: »
    I could have told them that. Bulldozing the top soil ffs. Sounds like a quango with too much money to spend.
    I thought it was interesting to keep an eye on the research that will be used in forming opinions on the next round of nitrates legislation.

    It can't be long until the next round of madcap ideas gets thrown forward again.


  • #4740
    RightTurnClyde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭RightTurnClyde


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Had one like that last year ,feed her twice daily through parlour but only milk oad till she gets going

    Any point in trying her with oxytocin, I wonder


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  • #4741
    Timmaay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    RightTurnClyde wrote: »
    4th lactation Cow calved here last night 4 weeks premature. Calf is alive and fine. But cow has no springing whatsoever. I'm bringing her into the Parlour and putting clusters on to try and stimulate milk production, but nothing. Any ideas?

    Had a cow scanned incorrectly in the autumn, and she only ended up getting 1 week dry before she bloody calved down again. Never got much over 20l outa her since, she is back to about 10l/day now, but in very good condition, only one place for her now...


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